Swan > Buckley?

[the mighty T]

Bucks = Legend

Swan = Superstar

There's a big difference imo.

Absolutely true.

Does that mean that Swanny cant become a Legend of our club also ?

Bucks and Hird were in a league of their own when they were playing imo

Players like Swan, Judd, Bartel, Chappy are in a league of their own right now

Nobody will compare to Bucks in my mind but theres nobody who is better than Swanny in todays game

 

[Boris the Contradiction]

Don't take Carey seriously guys, he despises Bucks.

He was at the Kangaroos when Buckley broke contract and basically told North that it wasn't significant enough to play for. All of the Roos players at the time hated Nathan. It happened again when they chased Bucks like little girls chasing that twirp Justin Bieber and he knocked back a senior role at their club to be an assistant at our club. That is the ultimate shun and make no mistake, Carey would have killed to be respected enough to be offered that role. Bucks saw the role as below him and that would have killed Duck.

He is bitter because the only time Bucks ever played at CHB, he gave Carey the biggest smashing he ever received in his career. He is also jealous that Bucks is still a respected figure at his club when Carey was let go from a part-time role for being a lazy bastard. He is jealous that Buckley has a wife and kids and a family that think he is a good bloke. Noone thinks Carey is a good bloke.

He's trying to knock Bucks to make himself feel better. It's pathetic.

Don't get me wrong, Swan is in the best 5 players in the comp right now and a genuine superstar. Buckley is in the best 5 players I've ever seen though (alongside Ablett Snr, Carey himself, Lockett and Hird) and an all-time great. There is absolutely no comparison and to say that because Swan "is the equal of Ablett Jnr and Judd and is therefore better than Buckley" is a terrible argument. For 1, Swan is better than Judd and 2, Buckley has them all covered comfortably. He was the complete footballer.

 

[Swooop]

Don't take Carey seriously guys, he despises Bucks.

Great post rusler. All of it.

At best, Carey doesn't like Bucks.

At worst, it's a pathetic attempt to drive a wedge into a club he probably can't stand.

I wonder who the 'current players' are, bet none of them have said that

 

[knightwheelrqr]

I've been discussing this with some friends (not on bigfooty) for quite some time now and it is increasingly valid to make this comparisons. Swan due to his great durability I think might be able to maintain this kind of form for some time yet I expect.

I myself view Buckley still the superior player for the moment anyway, but Swan is duck waddling his way closer with every season and I think could certainly retire a great player and one of Collingwood's best.

 

[Boris the Contradiction]

Great post rusler. All of it.

At best, Carey doesn't like Bucks.

At worst, it's a pathetic attempt to drive a wedge into a club he probably can't stand.

I wonder who the 'current players' are, bet none of them have said that

Thanks mate, the "current players" were only Pendlebury, who only played with Buckley from 2006. This is hardly a sample of Buckley's best football, which was from 1997 to 2001. He even qualified the statement by saying that he played with Buckley in his "later years". He said Swan is the best player he's ever played with which is hardly surprising. Someone should ask Presti or Rocca; their answers would be very different I suspect.

 

[jimmy35]

Nah, he may win as many Copeland's, and possibly will have a premiership as well, but he'll never be the footballer Bucks was.

Agree with this.

 

[magwood]

Hi All

Long time listener, first time caller. Thought i'd put my 2 bob into this discussion. The one thing that seperates the two players is Buckley's kicking skills. There were many a time when Bucks would stream out of the centre square and drill a goal from outside 50. Swan's kicking for goal at times is not up to scratch.

 

[Stripes B and W]

its not out of the realm of possibility that Swan will draw quite close to Bucks by careers end.
I've always thought that Bucks wasnt a a superstar in his first few years with us, but he showed absolute improvement in a number of key areas through his time with us.
Initially he was not a great clearance, contested ball player. with improved body strength, acceptance of leadership this improved hugely and he became a great contested player and tackler.
Again, early on he was not a good overhead mark by any means. This improved greatly later in his career, as he played more time forward and he became quite a good mark on the lead.
His set shot kicking never quite matched his field kicking.
His other skills, leadership, application, preparation, mental strength etc....absolutely second to none..

 

[Palmer Stoat]

its not out of the realm of possibility that Swan will draw quite close to Bucks by careers end.

I disagree with this. I think it IS outside the realm of possibility that Swan will draw close to Buckley. The most obvious, but not only, reason is their kicking. Buckley was the best field kick I've ever seen; Swan is, at best, only an adequate kick.

In the single most important skill of the game, there's a yawning chasm between the two.

 

[mattys123]

Hi All

Long time listener, first time caller. Thought i'd put my 2 bob into this discussion. The one thing that seperates the two players is Buckley's kicking skills. There were many a time when Bucks would stream out of the centre square and drill a goal from outside 50. Swan's kicking for goal at times is not up to scratch.

I agree entirely, because of Buckley's kicking skills, he could hurt a team with around 20 possessions, where as Swan needs over 30 to really "hurt" a side.

I'm not going to say a bad word about Swanny, I love what he does for our football club, but Buckley was simply better, more versatile (could play forward, mid or back and key position also) and you have to remember he was such a great "leader", both on and off field.

Swan may be in Bucks class by the end of career, but at the moment I put Swan in the "bloody good" category, as I put Bucks in the "once in a generation" category.

Swanny could change that though, we could get 2 absolute Collingwood "greats" back to back by the time Swanny is done.

 

[Stripes B and W]

Should Swan produce another 3 or 4 years of his current form, or even improve in any areas, it will be tough on Swan to not feel he is even close to Buckley. Awards themselves dont make you a better player, but Swanny will end up a very decorated player.
Outside observers do use these as way of lining up or comparing players.

I also think Bucks is the best preferred sided field kick ive seen.

An important criteria is match winning ability. Buck had it is spades, Swanny has become a matchwinner IMO

Re Swans kicking, erratic i would say, he actually can be a very dangerous kick, think of the kick to Cloke last week in the 3rd Quarter, long, low and direct. He isnt consistent enough a kick as yet.

 

[sr36]

Swan's better one on one, particularly in the air. Bucks's kicking was miles ahead of Swan's.

 

[Markfs]

I listened to the Carey podcast. He had dinner with Swan and a group of mates. He's not a mate of Swan's but they have this mutual friend.

So you can imagine the topic might have been raised at the dinner. Wayne just put the view in the podcast that Swan is rightfully getting compared with recent great players with the club. The interviewer asks, "even bucks?"... wayne says sure he's getting that good. It wasnt something that Carey wanted to promote, it was something within a 5 minute podcast.

It's just more froth.

 

[Visions]

Swan is nearing his peak. Put a Buckley entering his peak career form into the current side, he would be the one earning BOG's on the field with Swan taking the two votes per game.

Until Swan can miraculously start spearing 40-50 metre passes to the chests of leading players, no matter how many awards he wins, he won't get near Bucks. Swan has influences on games, Buckley controlled the game.

 

[daneswan]

swan is my fav player these days but there is no way he is better then bucks.
1. They are two diff players.
2. Game has changed so much.
3. Will be interesting if (fingers crossed) we can win the premiership this year swan would have a medal, bucks doesnt.
4. Can Swan win a brownlow?
5 People forget the norm smith medal in a losing side, or these goosebump 50 m goals Bucks would score, he was, one of a kind.
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[Dundalis]

I would take 15 Buckley possessions over 30 of Swan's. Buckley is a great of the game. I wouldn't have even called Swan elite until this season.