T20I T20 World Cup Squad - Australia

[LukeParkerno1]

i guess i'm a little bias towards smith and would like to see him to finish on his terms in T20 (after this tournament).

i think he still warrants a spot striking at 125 and can bat around the other 6 big guns.

The problem is him striking at 125 is a best case scenario. It’s usually a crab along at run a ball.

 

[cricketnut14]

Here's my gripe with Australian quicks
Starc - quickest bowler, but can be erratic with line at times. Hasn't playing the domestic circuit in god knows when, even in the BBL.
Cummins - probably the weakest T20 quick, but can at times lengthen the batting line up. He has a 14ball 50 in the IPL
Hazlewood - your most consistent, imo. but seems to be the first bowler the selectors drop when they make changes

I agree you have too many quicks, it dates back to the Warne era, I could only think of McGain and McGill as possible replacements at the time. Whereas other teams always seemed to be mixing their spinners through.
It makes sense that if you've got MMarsh Stionis, which is already between 4-6, possibly 8 overs. And then when you bring in Green, that's half of your overs done with part timers. Add Maxy for a another few. I think you could possibly lengthed your batting by one or two more

i saw a while back that the number #7 bat faces an average of 9-10 balls per innings.

many teams play 5 bowlers , batting 7-11.

so what i'm trying to say is that number 8 onwards shouldn't be required to bat (and if you are 6/50 you are stuffed anyways most probably).

play your best 4 bowlers to bat 8-11. this allows you only having to find 4-6 overs elsewhere.

starc, hazlewood, cummins have earnt that right and many have been given an opportunity when they have been rested.

no one has stood up on a regular basis. or maybe it's a little boys club there.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Here's my gripe with Australian quicks
Starc - quickest bowler, but can be erratic with line at times. Hasn't playing the domestic circuit in god knows when, even in the BBL.
Cummins - probably the weakest T20 quick, but can at times lengthen the batting line up. He has a 14ball 50 in the IPL
Hazlewood - your most consistent, imo. but seems to be the first bowler the selectors drop when they make changes

I agree you have too many quicks, it dates back to the Warne era, I could only think of McGain and McGill as possible replacements at the time. Whereas other teams always seemed to be mixing their spinners through.
It makes sense that if you've got MMarsh Stionis, which is already between 4-6, possibly 8 overs. And then when you bring in Green, that's half of your overs done with part timers. Add Maxy for a another few. I think you could possibly lengthed your batting by one or two more

100% even Starc hasn’t been the greatest limited overs bowler in recent years. He’s become a better test bowler but he’s lost his yorker which made him as a limited overs bowler. However he’s the best we have. My issue with Cummins/Haze is whilst they are decent up front bowlers neither are death bowlers. It’s why I’d play Ellis. Those death overs win and lose matches. In general most teams bat the same in the middle overs.

I’d like that extra spinner I feel 3 quicks when two aren’t death bowlers is way over the top. Extra spinner and Agar can bat.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

i saw a while back that the number #7 bat faces an average of 9-10 balls per innings.

many teams play 5 bowlers , batting 7-11.

so what i'm trying to say is that number 8 onwards shouldn't be required to bat (and if you are 6/50 you are stuffed anyways most probably).

play your best 4 bowlers to bat 8-11. this allows you only having to find 4-6 overs elsewhere.

starc, hazlewood, cummins have earnt that right and many have been given an opportunity when they have been rested.

no one has stood up on a regular basis. or maybe it's a little boys club there.

Ellis has out performed every single one of them when actually given a chance though.

Being a good test bowler does not make you a good t20 bowler and in fact all it means is you bowl a lot of good length balls which are slot balls in t20.

 

[akkaps]

nahhh no need to extend the batting line up - it's a 120 ball innings only.

i still think you need a 6th bowling option - if you have 7 then it's a bonus.

interesting theory though going with marsh and stoin etc to open the bowling and just bat deep. i'd suspect you'd be chasing a few (but scores are already high) and you'd have the batting depth to back yourself.

Australia have 8 or 9 possible bowling options in their XI. Surely that's enough.
In an ideal world, I'd start with Green and Marsh,
So the lineup could be Warner, Green, MMarsh, Maxwell, Stionis, David, Wade., Agar.... With David and Wade being your only non bowling options

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Australia have 8 or 9 possible bowling options in their XI. Surely that's enough.
In an ideal world, I'd start with Green and Marsh,
So the lineup could be Warner, Green, MMarsh, Maxwell, Stionis, David, Wade., Agar.... With David and Wade being your only non bowling options

Even David can bowl- he’s bowled for Hobart, off spinners

 

[Tugga27]

i guess i'm a little bias towards smith and would like to see him to finish on his terms in T20 (after this tournament).

i think he still warrants a spot striking at 125 and can bat around the other 6 big guns.

Smith should be no where near a T20 side.
He's our version of Joe Root.
Great test and one day player but T20 isn't his go.

How can you think he warrants a spot in front of guys with a much higher strike rate and who bowl?

If you have to chase anything over 170ish, you're playing one short with Smith in the side.

 

[akkaps]

i saw a while back that the number #7 bat faces an average of 9-10 balls per innings.

many teams play 5 bowlers , batting 7-11.

so what i'm trying to say is that number 8 onwards shouldn't be required to bat (and if you are 6/50 you are stuffed anyways most probably).

play your best 4 bowlers to bat 8-11. this allows you only having to find 4-6 overs elsewhere.

starc, hazlewood, cummins have earnt that right and many have been given an opportunity when they have been rested.

no one has stood up on a regular basis. or maybe it's a little boys club there.

But there are times at you get to the end of your batting line up and there are no recognized batter to chase the last 30-40 runs.

I agree with the boys club theory, and that they are the same three bowlers used as the first XI for all formats. I think needs to change, where you have specialist bowlers for each of the formats. This was very evident at the start of last week in the Test series again India, where Starc, Cummins, Hazlewood were burnt out by the end of the series.
Also, as Australia keep using the same three bowlers for each of the main tournaments, it gives the impression to new potential bowlers that there is no point trying as they'll just back to the same three bowlers at the end of the day. Ellis and Boland are great examples of this, where they have proven themselves at the highest level, but the selectors just go back to the usual three.

 

[cricketnut14]

But there are times at you get to the end of your batting line up and there are no recognized batter to chase the last 30-40 runs.

I agree with the boys club theory, and that they are the same three bowlers used as the first XI for all formats. I think needs to change, where you have specialist bowlers for each of the formats. This was very evident at the start of last week in the Test series again India, where Starc, Cummins, Hazlewood were burnt out by the end of the series.
Also, as Australia keep using the same three bowlers for each of the main tournaments, it gives the impression to new potential bowlers that there is no point trying as they'll just back to the same three bowlers at the end of the day. Ellis and Boland are great examples of this, where they have proven themselves at the highest level, but the selectors just go back to the usual three.

I agree but yeah, but there's only 3 fast bowling spots up for grabs.

they are clearly our best 3 quicks, certainly in test and odi format.

on your last point guys like sayers, neser were probably good enough and didn't get a decent look in.

this may have also impacted on pattinson's decision to retire as well.

jhye's time will come and i feel that boland will be lucky if he plays a handful more tests.

 

[akkaps]

I agree but yeah, but there's only 3 fast bowling spots up for grabs.

they are clearly our best 3 quicks, certainly in test and odi format.

on your last point guys like sayers, neser were probably good enough and didn't get a decent look in.

this may have also impacted on pattinson's decision to retire as well.

jhye's time will come and i feel that boland will be lucky if he plays a handful more tests.

I have no clue when any of the three plan to retire And once on of these players do retire, your left with a with a hole to fill with options of players with no big game experience.

From what I have read, Ellis is going down the same route as Warner and Lynn by trying to play a few domestic T20 comps around the world, probably because he wont crack the T20 side anytime soon

 

[Westend]

Smith should be no where near a T20 side.
He's our version of Joe Root.
Great test and one day player but T20 isn't his go.

How can you think he warrants a spot in front of guys with a much higher strike rate and who bowl?

If you have to chase anything over 170ish, you're playing one short with Smith in the side.

If Smith plays I would rather him open than finch

The issue for me is that with finch/smith only one can play in the team. Finch form has been terrible for the past 3 years on the coloured format and I believe it will be a liability come this WC.

This argument that hitters can bat around smith is an old one IMO... warner can provide that along with finch...finch strike rate has dropped heaps in the past few years.

The biggest worry I have with smith and we saw it against the windies .....If smith is facing the last 2/3 overs can he smash a 14/20 run over to up the total which is crucial getting the score up to 180/200....and IMO he cannot its that ability to have a big over that worries me with smith.

marsh maxi stoin david wade warner green all have this ability to go big when needed. Plus smith does not bowl..gun fielder but you need other options in this format

 

[Westend]

But there are times at you get to the end of your batting line up and there are no recognized batter to chase the last 30-40 runs.

I agree with the boys club theory, and that they are the same three bowlers used as the first XI for all formats. I think needs to change, where you have specialist bowlers for each of the formats. This was very evident at the start of last week in the Test series again India, where Starc, Cummins, Hazlewood were burnt out by the end of the series.
Also, as Australia keep using the same three bowlers for each of the main tournaments, it gives the impression to new potential bowlers that there is no point trying as they'll just back to the same three bowlers at the end of the day. Ellis and Boland are great examples of this, where they have proven themselves at the highest level, but the selectors just go back to the usual three.

Well if you get to that stage it means your top order has failed anyway......but we do have Wade at seven and he has provided a fantastic finishing role lately

I do agree that you need specialist bowlers for the formats....and that's why I am a bit amazed why Agar has not been given a run for the past few series hopefully see him in the next few games

I would not discount a two spin attack of zamps and agar on our bigger grounds

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Well if you get to that stage it means your top order has failed anyway......but we do have Wade at seven and he has provided a fantastic finishing role lately

I do agree that you need specialist bowlers for the formats....and that's why I am a bit amazed why Agar has not been given a run for the past few series hopefully see him in the next few games

I would not discount a two spin attack of zamps and agar on our bigger grounds

We have Marsh and Stoinis to bowl seam up anyway, how many quicks do you need?

Play 2 spinners and before everyone says oh but Maxwell is there, he's part time at best in terms of bowling.

 

[Westend]

We have Marsh and Stoinis to bowl seam up anyway, how many quicks do you need?

Play 2 spinners and before everyone says oh but Maxwell is there, he's part time at best in terms of bowling.

yeah depends on conditions ...if you go the three quicks or two specialist spinners

 

[akkaps]

Well if you get to that stage it means your top order has failed anyway......but we do have Wade at seven and he has provided a fantastic finishing role lately

I do agree that you need specialist bowlers for the formats....and that's why I am a bit amazed why Agar has not been given a run for the past few series hopefully see him in the next few games

I would not discount a two spin attack of zamps and agar on our bigger grounds

I would rather have a list of of bats with those that know how to bowl. maybe one or two pure bowlers.

Agar can at least bat which is a good selection then

 

[Tugga27]

yeah depends on conditions ...if you go the three quicks or two specialist spinners

The Selectors seemed to have put a line through Agar I think.
Which is ridiculous.

 

[Westend]

I would rather have a list of of bats with those that know how to bowl. maybe one or two pure bowlers.

Agar can at least bat which is a good selection then

Yeah

the biggest worry I have with t20 in the future is that we are just going to see teams load up with batters...and having part time bowlers

I can see that game heading that way

 

[Tugga27]

If Smith plays I would rather him open than finch

The issue for me is that with finch/smith only one can play in the team. Finch form has been terrible for the past 3 years on the coloured format and I believe it will be a liability come this WC.

This argument that hitters can bat around smith is an old one IMO... warner can provide that along with finch...finch strike rate has dropped heaps in the past few years.

The biggest worry I have with smith and we saw it against the windies .....If smith is facing the last 2/3 overs can he smash a 14/20 run over to up the total which is crucial getting the score up to 180/200....and IMO he cannot its that ability to have a big over that worries me with smith.

marsh maxi stoin david wade warner green all have this ability to go big when needed. Plus smith does not bowl..gun fielder but you need other options in this format

How can Smith be picked?
Instead of who?

Really both Finch and Smith shouldn't be in the side.
At least Finch can go up a gear whereas Smith can't.

 

[Westend]

The Selectors seemed to have put a line through Agar I think.
Which is ridiculous.

I don't know what is going on...someone said he was injured which I find very hard to believe

 

[JackOutback]

I believe Agar has been injured since Sri Lanka, but if fit, should be one of the first picked; he's a quality T20 bowler. With Stoinis and Marsh able to bowl, there should be two quicks, two spinners. If we can fit Green in, even better, but probably unlikely at this point. Those hoping for Finch to be dropped are kidding themselves, he will be allowed to lead Australia through the World Cup and retire.

 

[Westend]

How can Smith be picked?
Instead of who?

Really both Finch and Smith shouldn't be in the side.
At least Finch can go up a gear whereas Smith can't.

If smith is playing for me I would rather have him open over Finch...so finch out smith in

Agree you can't have smith/finch in the same side

and IMO I believe both are not in our best t20 side...,but finch will not be dropped

 

[Westend]

I believe Agar has been injured since Sri Lanka, but if fit, should be one of the first picked; he's a quality T20 bowler. With Stoinis and Marsh able to bowl, there should be two quicks, two spinners. If we can fit Green in, even better, but probably unlikely at this point. Those hoping for Finch to be dropped are kidding themselves, he will be allowed to lead Australia through the World Cup and retire.

yeah agree Jack

 

[akkaps]

yeah depends on conditions ...if you go the three quicks or two specialist spinners

If it's Perth, okay, go in with just maxwell and zampa or agar as spin bowling options.

 

[Westend]

But just quietly with all this talk of smith and finch

maxi needs a score ...he has been in terrible form

 

[Westend]

If it's Perth, okay, go in with just maxwell and zampa or agar as spin bowling options.

Playing the extra quick or spinner....depends on conditions wherever you play..

You might get rain the night before in Adelaide or the gabba and have a green top so play the extra quick ....sydney could spin play the extra spinner etc

even though t20 are generally flat decks favouring the batters like optus the other night... but atmospheric conditions come into it...like all cricket games