Tait: Test return "not out of the question

[Cruiser23]

Pffft, dream on my friend.

 

[the_interloper]

Pffft, dream on my friend.

So you're saying that Siddle, Hilfenhaus, Bollinger, Johnson, Lee can't bowl in the 140s? I think Clark is the only one who is "slow", but he's our best quick anyway.

 

[Cruiser23]

So you're saying that Siddle, Hilfenhaus, Bollinger, Johnson, Lee can't bowl in the 140s? I think Clark is the only one who is "slow", but he's our best quick anyway.

It wasn't directed at your post mate, it was directed at Tait thinking he regain a spot in the Test team anytime soon.

 

[aussie1st]

First he needs to get his fitness up. It was no surprise that once he dropped below 150km/h he started to get whacked. The other problem is when he was tried in Test cricket he was at his peak yet he looked pretty easy to hit. Most of his balls from that match were in the high 140s iirc, not too many in the 150s where he can start to be dangerous.

But he needs to play FC before being considered for test cricket. Picking him to play test cricket from here is like picking Warner for test cricket. Once he starts performing again in FC then consider him but until then it's ODI and T20.

 

[the_interloper]

It wasn't directed at your post mate, it was directed at Tait thinking he regain a spot in the Test team anytime soon.

Fair enough good, sir, carry on!

 

[baba ganush]

Spot on actually. Shaun is deluding himself if he thinks he's a test cricketer. Doesn't have the stamina, control, consistency, heart or mental strength to be effective at test level.

ODI and T20 suit his style of quick and unpredictable. Deep down he knows this too.

Another dumb post.

 

[baba ganush]

what does johnson do? bowls better than any other australian bowler this summer for 1.

is consistent. has some idea of line and length. has more than just pace in his bag of tricks.

that was the worst comparison you could have made.

Do you even watch cricket?

Johnson has made a career out of batsman chasing wide dross. He bowls long, useless spells and sprays the ball all over the pitch map. He also bowls with a scrambled seam, meaning he doesn't get swing back in.

He has improved, but he's hardly a bowler you'd hold up for consistency.

Bag of tricks? Tait swings the ball more, and more dangerously, than Johnson can dream about. If Johnson could actually move the ball, he might get more wickets.

 

[courtjester]

Is this a Mitchell Johnson s**t-canning, or a Shaun Tait thread?

Johnson's taken a lot of wickets at TEST LEVEL this summer (probably more than we've all taken in our local division three sides), so he is doing something right.

Stop talking crap. Johnson is a good bowler, so is Tait. When any of you can bowl around 150kms an hour, you'll pick up a few wickets with erratic balls too.

 

[davey_magik]

I love Tait, but he's a pea-hearted weakling.

Shouldn't be allowed within 500 meters of the Test side until he plays every 4 day game for SA and shows good form.

Johnson is easily better than Tait right now and it will stay that way.

 

[emperor]

baba ganush ....

Tait is more inconsistent than Johnson. Besides this season Johnson has been among our most consistent bowlers, or haven't you watched the cricket? He gets wickets off the wide shit, but what bowlers don't. A wicket is a wicket.

Tait may have more swing but Johnson has something that is more important at test level, he is able to bowl the same speed in the 90th over as the 1st over. And keep this up for the 5 day duration. Johnson can be dangerous if he drops 5-10k, while Tait can't seem to accomodate a drop in pure speed.

I really enjoy watching Tait and hope he finds his niche in cricket whatever that may be, but he has a long way to go before he can re-stake a claim for test selection.

 

[baba ganush]

baba ganush ....

Tait is more inconsistent than Johnson. Besides this season Johnson has been among our most consistent bowlers, or haven't you watched the cricket? He gets wickets off the wide shit, but what bowlers don't. A wicket is a wicket.

What? Johnson had barely played Tests before this season? What are you on about?

If you're talking first-class, Tait shits all over Johnson by a huge margin.

Tait may have more swing but Johnson has something that is more important at test level, he is able to bowl the same speed in the 90th over as the 1st over. And keep this up for the 5 day duration. Johnson can be dangerous if he drops 5-10k, while Tait can't seem to accomodate a drop in pure speed.

You just contradicted yourself. And you're kidding yourself if you think Johnson is able to bowl the same speed constantly. Watch the speed gun.

I really enjoy watching Tait and hope he finds his niche in cricket whatever that may be, but he has a long way to go before he can re-stake a claim for test selection.

Not really.

 

[PAFC_1]

As I posted earlier...
which backs up the above post

Shaun Tait:
ODI Average 23.5
ODI Strike rate 25.7
First class Average 28.59
First class Strike rate 46.7

Mitchell Johnson:
ODI Average 23.46 (0.04 better)
ODI Strike rate 29.8 (4.1 worse)
First class Average 29.47 (0.88 worse)
First class Strike rate 55.55 (8.85 worse)

 

[Heisenberg_]

You don't really get Test cricket do you?

 

[PAFC_1]

Stats are stats

Johnson only got a shot last summer against Sri Lanka cause Tait was injured post world cup.

Johnson was never picked before Tait.

 

[Heisenberg_]

How can you tell that he wouldn't have got picked?
Even if Tait was picked first, Johnson wouldn't be waiting long when Tait inevitably broke down or failed.
Stick to the ODI's and 20/20s

 

[likka]

Welcome to three years ago.

Johnson is doing at test level NOW what Tait is incapable of at Shield level. Whatever the merits guiding initial selection, Johnson is a far superior test bowler than Tait.

Tait was capable of bowling occasional spectacular wicket taking balls, but surrounds it with so much rubbish he'd be a liability. Add to that his pea sized heart, mental frailty under pressure, with an unreliable body and it is highly doubtful he'd ever succeed at test level.

 

[DaRick]

Well, I think I've mentioned this before, but his incredible inconsistency, plus his tendency to get injured (more so than even most other express quicks) makes him incredibly difficult to select for Test cricket.

There will be the odd day where he will bowl an utterly devestating spell, like he has done in the Sheffield Shield/Pura Cup, with reverse swing and extreme pace. On these days, he will look like one of the world's best bowlers.

Unfortunately, on most other days he will be an utter liability. He has nothing to offer with the bat and little to offer in the field, making his selection even more difficult.

If the 'supersub' was ever introduced into Test cricket then Shaun Tait would be the ideal candidate. Since that won't happen, I would recommend him staying in the 20/20 and ODI formats. In the ODI format, I am convinced of his wicket-taking abilities (despite his high economy rate), making him a decent replacement for Brett Lee. Plus, you can bowl faster with the white ball.

 

[Romeo]

Tait will have to improve his consistency and stamina if he hopes to play test cricket. Needs also to work on his control, even during limited overs matches. I think that action places stress on his body as well.

 

[baba ganush]

Welcome to three years ago.

Johnson is doing at test level NOW what Tait is incapable of at Shield level. Whatever the merits guiding initial selection, Johnson is a far superior test bowler than Tait.

Tait was capable of bowling occasional spectacular wicket taking balls, but surrounds it with so much rubbish he'd be a liability. Add to that his pea sized heart, mental frailty under pressure, with an unreliable body and it is highly doubtful he'd ever succeed at test level.

Good to see another pea-hearted troll getting stuck into a cricketing youngster.

 

[baba ganush]

There will be the odd day where he will bowl an utterly devestating spell, like he has done in the Sheffield Shield/Pura Cup, with reverse swing and extreme pace. On these days, he will look like one of the world's best bowlers.

Unfortunately, on most other days he will be an utter liability. He has nothing to offer with the bat and little to offer in the field, making his selection even more difficult.

Most other days? WTF are you on about? He has been the most consistent and dangerous quick in the Shield for the last several years.

 

[Spikey]

Most other days? WTF are you on about? He has been the most consistent and dangerous quick in the Shield for the last several years.

lol. 04/05 is the only season I can recall Tait being the best bowler, or even in the top 10 bowlers in the Shield.

 

[DaRick]

Most other days? WTF are you on about? He has been the most consistent and dangerous quick in the Shield for the last several years.

I don't believe this. Shaun Tait and consistency do not fit together.

But to confirm that, let's just look at his stats:
2002/03 - 20 wickets at 22.55
2003/04 - 33 wickets at 29
2004/05 - 65 wickets at 20.16
2005/06 - 14 wickets at 38.35
2006/07 - 32 wickets at 27.28
2007/08 - 11 wickets at 25.72 (in the first game, he took 10/98)
2008/09 - 13 wickets at 40.76

For all seasons bar 2004/05, he has not been the most consistent and dangerous quick in the Shield. In fact, he has generally not been consistent, like I've said. On his day, he's incredibly dangerous. When it's not his day, he becomes a liability (check his 2007/08 stats for example). His injury-prone ways make him even more difficult to select (with at least 4 incomplete seasons).

Nor are his first-class stats much better than Mitch Johnson's. Instructively, too, Shaun Tait's FC record is dipping a touch, while Mitchell Johnson's is rising - due to good Test performances, no less.

 

[baba ganush]

I don't believe this. Shaun Tait and consistency do not fit together.

But to confirm that, let's just look at his stats:
2002/03 - 20 wickets at 22.55
2003/04 - 33 wickets at 29
2004/05 - 65 wickets at 20.16
2005/06 - 14 wickets at 38.35
2006/07 - 32 wickets at 27.28
2007/08 - 11 wickets at 25.72 (in the first game, he took 10/98)
2008/09 - 13 wickets at 40.76

For all seasons bar 2004/05, he has not been the most consistent and dangerous quick in the Shield. In fact, he has generally not been consistent, like I've said.

In fact, he has. Those stats, by any Shield bowler's standards, are excellent. Except when beset by injury, he has been under 30 every season.

You don't have a clue.

On his day, he's incredibly dangerous. When it's not his day, he becomes a liability (check his 2007/08 stats for example). His injury-prone ways make him even more difficult to select (with at least 4 incomplete seasons).

Incomplete for what reasons?

Nor are his first-class stats much better than Mitch Johnson's. Instructively, too, Shaun Tait's FC record is dipping a touch, while Mitchell Johnson's is rising - due to good Test performances, no less.

Actually, his first-class stats ARE much better.

 

[DaRick]

In fact, he has. Those stats, by any Shield bowler's standards, are excellent. Except when beset by injury, he has been under 30 every season.

He's been beset by injury for most of the time throughout the last few years, though, making that achievement not as impressive as fanboys like you would have me believe.

Like I said, his injury-prone ways make him more difficult to select, not less. Do you comprehend that?

Besides, you said that he's been the most consistent and dangerous bowler in the shield for several years. He hasn't. He would probably take that title in 2004/05, but in no other season.

At any rate, those stats alone don't indicate that he's been consistent from game-to-game. His 2007/08 stats are indicative of this. He was immensely destructive in one game, taking 10/98 and taking 1/185 in the next.

Let's face it, his bowling style makes him enormously inconsistent and injury prone. If I have to hammer this into your head, I will. It makes him difficult to select, unless a supersub rule is introduced.

For now, keep him in the 20/20 and ODI squads, where he's done more to convince.

You don't have a clue.

This coming from somebody who speaks about Tait as if he's bereft of any flaws? Give me a break.

Actually, his first-class stats ARE much better.

Mitch Johnson's FC average stands at 29.5. Shaun Tait's stands at 28.7. Shaun Tait's average, for various reasons, has been rising lately. Meanwhile, Mitchell Johnson's has been getting lower.

Besides, Mitchell Johnson's Test performances are much better.

 

[lionbear]

Tait seems to be good in short bursts only.

Would be definitely a good number 4 pacemen if the pitch is a fast belter and no spinners are required.

Think he has to prove his stamina is up to it before a regular gig in the Australian Test 11.