Mega Thread The 2017 'Buckley's Chances' Thread

[TradeDraft]

Absolutely insane to give him an extension

Club is Run by Morons

 

[TradeDraft]

Who did they whack, on us(Collingwood)?

Did not see but who ever got it Deserved It

 

[BringouttheGimp]

Absolutely insane to give him an extension

Mate.. Wells has had a bigger impact than Vickery and O'Meara combined.. and we're still below em.

See the genius of a coach.. Hawthorn have won 9 drawed 1 after a pathetic start to the season and bottoming out.. Clarkson will get em playing finals next yr.. whilst Buckley is still trying to figure out how to play hop scotch and flicks.

 

[Chameleon75]

Did not see but who ever got it Deserved It

Brilliant

 

[Matt_352]

Offer Clarko Blank cheque and tell him to pick a friggin number

 

[BringouttheGimp]

Thank Goodness. I'm not sure what my opinion is on Bucks at this point. I doubt his ability to coach personally, but he clearly still has the players. However, I am certain that I do not want too support a team coached by Ross Lyon. Leave him Freo's problem.

Mate.. 90% of the coaches have the players on their side.

I'm sick of reading this crap about how the players are playing for him.. how many coaches in the league are struggling to get the players on their side.. basically sweet f all.

 

[Adz]

Carey: "Roos body language changes when he speaks about Collingwood".

It's down to 3:
Bucks
Roos
Lyon

 

[BringouttheGimp]

Offer Clarko Blank cheque and tell him to pick a friggin number

Mate 75% tax on anything above 1mil or some shit like that.. so if we have the dough in a league that is governed by equalization.. then why would you complain about it Ed? Open the cheque book and pay your 75% tax.. use our surplus in funds and claim 30% of it back in company tax. Here's your opportunity to shove this equalization crap in the face of the AFL.

 

[TradeDraft]

Offer Clarko Blank cheque and tell him to pick a friggin number

Forget It. Clarko is not Coming to Collingwood

 

[TradeDraft]

Carey: "Roos body language changes when he speaks about Collingwood".

It's down to 3:
Bucks
Roos
Lyon

Then Roos is the Only 1 of those I would Want

 

[Matt_352]

Carey: "Roos body language changes when he speaks about Collingwood".

It's down to 3:
Bucks
Roos
Lyon

Roos thanks

 

[JB1975]

Carey: "Roos body language changes when he speaks about Collingwood".

It's down to 3:
Bucks
Roos
Lyon

I'm not sure that Wayne Carey's reading of other human beings can be considered a reliable predictor or indicator of anything other than what's floating around Wayne's head, but hey, let's go with it.

 

[Matt_352]

Roos with Dew his apprentice MAKE IT SO

 

[BringouttheGimp]

There's 3 certainties in life

1. Death
2. Taxes
3. Buckley is shit

 

[Matt_352]

There's 3 certainties in life

1. Death
2. Taxes
3. Buckley is shit

 

[TKiL]

There's 3 certainties in life

1. Death
2. Taxes
3. Buckley is shit

Cwood being shite under Buckley will be the death of me while I'm still paying taxes

 

[Matt_352]

Time to reunite these two.

Paul coaches 2018 & 2019 and Stuart takes over in 2021

 

[TradeDraft]

Roos with Dew his apprentice MAKE IT SO

Heard Dew is Being Longmires Apprentice

 

[PieBeast]

Did not see but who ever got it Deserved It

Aish and Grundy

 

[TradeDraft]

Aish and Grundy

I am not that Stupid

 

[No SPIN]

Rather than "completely illogical" I think you probably mean you disagree with me which is fine.

For the 3rd time, I've said culture is a contributing factor.

Our overall winning rate in GFs is ~35% - if you think 40% is ok and "problem fixed" good luck to you. You claim there are many variables at play - in this case I'm not sure that going from 35% to 40% is statistically significant.

Note: How do you get 40% in winning GFs since 1990? Since 1990 we've played in GF's in 02, 03, 10 x 2, 11 and won 1 = winning rate of 20% - problem worse, not fixed. The only way you can get 40% is to include 90, then 02, 03, 10, 11 = 2/5 = 40% - which is not an accurate calculation since 1990.

You quoted 12 GF' s for 3 wins in 60 years that's 25% win rate and now 40% since and INCLUDING 1990.
That's a substantial improvement.
There is NO problem that can be purged for instant success, and your premise is therefore illogical.

The numbers are clear we have done far far better since 1990.
Clinging to the colliwobbles is therefore unsupportable by any sensible interpretation of recent history.

 

[TKiL]

You quoted 12 GF' s for 3 wins in 60 years that's 25% win rate and now 40% since and INCLUDING 1990.
That's a substantial improvement.
There is NO problem that can be purged for instant success, and your premise is therefore illogical.

The numbers are clear we have done far far better since 1990.
Clinging to the colliwobbles is therefore unsupportable by any sensible interpretation of recent history.

You're mixing up posts and stats -I've never talked about instant success - in fact I get confused with each iteration of yours

 

[TTRRAAVVIISS]

I would truly like you're take on Micks 5th and 6th years at collingwood, given he had taken a team to two grand finals why the horrible drop down the ladder

Pretty simple really. Same reasons most teams drop off the perch. Mix of gameplan being found out, players injured, the fact he'd squeezed the juice out of a pretty average list for 2 years that was playing well above their expectation and the strategic decision to go after a priority draft pick in 05.

The difference with MM was he'd built up enough credits over the years to be given the benefit of the doubt, and given a second chance. And didn't he just pay us back in spades. 7 years straight finals. 3 GFs. 5 prelims. All based on the foundations that MM built.

The Nathan Buckley Football Club... sorry... the Collingwood Football Club has had 18 coaches in 125 years. I'm sure all 18 coaches had to deal with injuries, suspensions, players coming and going, administration shinnanegans, ratpacks, media leaks etc etc...

When you look at the list of 18, Buckley rates 15th in win/loss ratio. Only Weiderman, Erwin, Shaw and Rowell have a worse win/loss ratio.

Now before you bang on about well "it's a better win/loss than MM first 134 games".

First, Bucks didn't take over a wooden spoon side and have to rebuild a club from the ground up. So you can't judge him on 12/13 seasons where he was gift wrapped a premiership side.

Second, MM has something in common with every other Collingwood Coach that has coached over 134 games (McHale, Keane, Rose, Haffey, Matthews)... He made a Grand Final in his first 134 games.

In 125 years of our club, no coach has lasted 134 games and not made at least one GF. It's pretty obviously you aren't a chance of winning premierships if you can't reach a GF. And Buckley has proven he can't make GFs.

As he has never managed to get us to a GF in his first 134 games as coach Buckley is without doubt the worst 134 game coach Collingwood has ever had. There is no disputing it. No GFs = no chance of flags = dud coach.

So....

Buckley is currently ranked 15th out of 18 Collingwood coaches purely on win loss ratio of 51%.

Out of 7 Collingwood coaches to have coached at least 134 games, Buckley is the only one to have not have coached a team to a GF in that time.

At least 134 games:

Buckley 51% win
Malthouse 47% win (2 x GF)
Matthews 57% (1 x GF & Flag)
Hafey 66% (4 x GF)
Rose 65% (3 x GF)
Keane 67% (4 x GF & Flag)
McHale 64% (4 x GF & 2 x Flag)

He ain't gonna magically pull a rabbit out his hat and get us to a GF, or ever win us a cup. Cut your losses Ed. Time to find our next premiership coach

 

[BEEG]

Almost 10 years in the system now for Dew, have him work with Sando being his right hand man.

 

[TKiL]

Almost 10 years in the system now for Dew, have him work with Sando being his right hand man.

Why Sanderson?