Mega Thread The 2017 'Buckley's Chances' Thread

[No SPIN]

Ok then Sport. My Collingwood stats aren't good enough for you.

http://afltables.com/afl/stats/coaches/coaches_idx.html

Go to the above website then list the coaches according to grand finals. From a quick look there is about is like 3 or 4 coaches that managed to get to a GF after having coached 134 games with out having already got to a GF. Almost all coaches that have gone on to be coaching greats in the history of VFL/AFL appear to have got to at least a GF in their first 134 games.

We ain't getting a flag in the next 2 years, so are you advocating that we invest a further two seasons (at least 44 games) in a bloke who ain't got to finals in 4 years?? Seriously, by the end of the 2019 season Bucks will have coached 180 games for no GFs.

Now you look on that web link I recommended you go have a look at and you find me 10 coaches on that list that coached 180 games for no GFs that went on to win premiership glory... actually, I'll make it easy for me 3 coaches in VFL/AFL history that went 180 games for no GFs and ended with a cup. I'd say there is only one to buck the trend so to speak and that's probably bomber Thompson. Maybe Walls and Malthouse was around the 150 mark.

So 1 out of 51 coaches to win a flag has coached 180 games with out a flag to then get one (I think bomber was around 185ish). You so sure about that 2 extension for Bucks now Sport old buddy old pal.

Realistically, best case scenario for this club is to enter the premiership window in 3 years. So if Bucks is the man your giving him 205 games just to get to a GF. That's insane. And based on all VFL/AFL coaches never happened, and never has any coach gone 204 games without a GF to win a flag.

Stop deluding yourself. Come out of the dream world your living in. Stop buying the snake oil eddie's been selling ya. He will never coach us to a flag end of story

sport you're making the case not me - go and do your own homework and comeback and convince the rest of us.
PS: By challenging you're statements and premise of your argument I'm not supporting Bucks - I'm simply challenging the veracity of your conclusions based on the the data.

 

[No SPIN]

You are running a few squabbles on this page - hope you're not losing focus

your concern is reassuring

 

[doodles98]

Did not see but who ever got it Deserved It

I support random whackings too

 

[doodles98]

Roos with Dew his apprentice MAKE IT SO

What happened to your Ratten bandwagon? I was on that train!

 

[Matt_352]

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What happened to your Ratten bandwagon? I was on that train!

Well if it true what Carey saying i only want roos from that 3

 

[doodles98]

your concern is reassuring

Ignore them Spinny. You have been on fire these last 3 pages. Running so many simultaneous arguments takes some serious skill and even the best can get confused with who said what.

 

[good4footy]

Well if it true what Carey saying i only want roos from that 3

Which 3 did Carey indicate?

 

[DaVe86]

I really think if we were going to move on the coach, it needed to be done months ago. Then we could've put the emphasis on the rest of the year onto development, and identifying the next best coach out there.

But, the team has performed ok over the past 5 weeks, which at least shows Bucks hasn't lost his players.

I would've made the call on Buckley last year to be honest, but where it stands now I think he'll get a new contract but we'll look to bolster his support staff. I pray that the clubs support pays off in the end, because I highly doubt any other person would have survived this long. I'd love nothing more than Bucks to prove us all wrong.

 

[BringouttheGimp]

No defnce of BUckley in this response but I think this is a generic thing about the way te game is played across the competition. The game I enjoyed as a kid has long gone. Time and space are now at a premium. Sydney's brand is a rolling scrappy maul reliant upon slingshot footy. HAwthorn's has been chip and hold posession. The dogs was madball on steroids. All teams have a variation of what is essentially an ugly game plan. Pure football as was played even 20 years ago is gone

Are you alright babe?

 

[Countrypie]

Are you alright babe?

Right as rain honeybunch. Thank you for your concern It's touching

 

[BringouttheGimp]

Right as rain honeybunch. Thank you for your concern It's touching

My country bumpkin.

Ok carry on with your dip spitting cowboy.

 

[Roverjg]

Parameters: Coached for at least 135 games continuously at one club from 1950 onwards

NATHAN BUCKLEY: Collingwood (2012-2017). Took over a team that had won the 2010 Premiership and had played off in the 2011 GF. Pies have not played finals for 4 years. Only coach in VFL/AFL history who has coached the same sided for 6 years (continuously) and has not improved its ladder position during his time as coach

ALASTAIR CLARKSON: Hawthorn (2005-2017). Coached GF’s for 4 Premierships. Coached to 9 finals series. 173-2-104 = 62.37%

NEALE DANIHER: Melbourne (1998-2007). Coached Melbourne to the 2000 GF. Coached the Dees to 6 finals series. 102-1-108 = 48.58%

JACK DYER: Richmond (1941-1952). Coached the Tigers to a Premiership in his 2nd year. Coached the Tigers to 5 finals series.

DAMIEN HARDWICK: Richmond (2010-2017). Has coached the Tigers to 4 finals series in his 8 years as coach. 87-2-85 = 50.57%

PHONSE KYNE: Collingwood (1950-1963). Coached in 6 GF’s for 2 Premierships. GF in 3rd year & Premiership in 4th year. Coached Pies to 8 finals series

DEAN LAIDLEY: Kangaroos (2003-2009). Resigned 12 games into his 7th season. Coached the Roos to 3 finals series . 71-2-71 = 50%

JOHN LONGMIRE: Sydney (2011-2017). Coached the Swans to a Premiership in his 2nd year as coach. 3 Grand Finals. Coached the Swans to finals in all of his 7 seasons. 105-2-45 = 69.74%

BRAD SCOTT: Kangaroos (2010-2017). Has coached the Kangaroos to 4 finals series in his 8 years as coach. 86-83 = 50.89%

CHRIS SCOTT: Geelong (2011-2017). Coached the Cats to a premiership in his first season. Coached the Cats to finals in 6 of his 7 seasons. 110-2-39 = 73.51%

CHARLIE SUTTON: Footscray (1951-1957). Sacked 12 games into his 7th season. Coached the Bulldogs to their 1st Premiership in his 4th season as coach. Coached the Bulldogs to 4 finals series

TED WHITTEN: Footscray (1957-1966). Replaced Charlie Sutton as coach. Coached the Bulldogs to a GF in his 5th year

MARK WILLIAMS: Port Adelaide (1999-2010). Won Premiership in his 6th year. 2 GF’s. Coached PA to 7 finals series. 143-2-112 = 56.03%

 

[westozpie]

wanting bucks to stay on is moronic

Your opinion, its fine we differ. Only difference is unlike your mate I am not going to say you are anti collingwood just because your opinion is different to mine. Unlike your mate I think we can all love Collingwood just disagree what's best for Collingwood.

 

[GreekLunatic]

I hate how ed said it's his choice doesn't he have to answer to the board

 

[westozpie]

Parameters: Coached for at least 135 games continuously at one club from 1950 onwards

NATHAN BUCKLEY: Collingwood (2012-2017). Took over a team that had won the 2010 Premiership and had played off in the 2011 GF. Pies have not played finals for 4 years. Only coach in VFL/AFL history who has coached the same sided for 6 years (continuously) and has not improved its ladder position during his time as coach

ALASTAIR CLARKSON: Hawthorn (2005-2017). Coached GF’s for 4 Premierships. Coached to 9 finals series. 173-2-104 = 62.37%

NEALE DANIHER: Melbourne (1998-2007). Coached Melbourne to the 2000 GF. Coached the Dees to 6 finals series. 102-1-108 = 48.58%

JACK DYER: Richmond (1941-1952). Coached the Tigers to a Premiership in his 2nd year. Coached the Tigers to 5 finals series.

DAMIEN HARDWICK: Richmond (2010-2017). Has coached the Tigers to 4 finals series in his 8 years as coach. 87-2-85 = 50.57%

PHONSE KYNE: Collingwood (1950-1963). Coached in 6 GF’s for 2 Premierships. GF in 3rd year & Premiership in 4th year. Coached Pies to 8 finals series

DEAN LAIDLEY: Kangaroos (2003-2009). Resigned 12 games into his 7th season. Coached the Roos to 3 finals series . 71-2-71 = 50%

JOHN LONGMIRE: Sydney (2011-2017). Coached the Swans to a Premiership in his 2nd year as coach. 3 Grand Finals. Coached the Swans to finals in all of his 7 seasons. 105-2-45 = 69.74%

BRAD SCOTT: Kangaroos (2010-2017). Has coached the Kangaroos to 4 finals series in his 8 years as coach. 86-83 = 50.89%

CHRIS SCOTT: Geelong (2011-2017). Coached the Cats to a premiership in his first season. Coached the Cats to finals in 6 of his 7 seasons. 110-2-39 = 73.51%

CHARLIE SUTTON: Footscray (1951-1957). Sacked 12 games into his 7th season. Coached the Bulldogs to their 1st Premiership in his 4th season as coach. Coached the Bulldogs to 4 finals series

TED WHITTEN: Footscray (1957-1966). Replaced Charlie Sutton as coach. Coached the Bulldogs to a GF in his 5th year

MARK WILLIAMS: Port Adelaide (1999-2010). Won Premiership in his 6th year. 2 GF’s. Coached PA to 7 finals series. 143-2-112 = 56.03%

Well researched although you forgot Bucks games coached, draws, wins and winning % section. Must have been a accident

 

[Countrypie]

Roos thanks

Careful what you wish for.....

 

[Matt_352]

Careful what you wish for.....

Much better than Buckley

 

[Countrypie]

Much better than Buckley

so you keep saying....It's almost a mantra

 

[westozpie]

Much better than Buckley

Isn't Bucks accused of having us playing boring football by some of you. Pretty sure the swans were accused of that by a certain afl president (yes won a premiership but there extra salary cap allowance that had a hand in that also) and wasn't Melbourne accused of boring defensive footy as well with some shocking low scores. So Roos will come with some negatives hope you then defend him on here if in the next to no chance he coaches collingwood

 

[frizzle]

Well if it true what Carey saying i only want roos from that 3

What would Carey know about our coaching direction?
Still think Ratten is the best option.

 

[Carringbush2010]

Didn't play finals??? 13th and 15th in a 16 team comp, you're being clever and avoiding my question. I wasn't trying to be a smart arse I truly wanted to see your take on why it happened as I thought by some of your posts you are someone who could be rational, someone who could put your take on why such a massive drop after grand finals and not turn it into a anti Bucks post.. I was wrong you turned it into a anti Bucks spiel and you go and post you don't hate Bucks.

This is not an anti Bucks spiel; I've clearly stated that this is not the thread for comparing the 2. If you really want to know why the fall off in 04 I couldn't tell you, tbh I don't think we should've got to 02 and 03 in the 1st place we played above ourselves - credit to good development . Why the fall off after 90? Why did bris fall off in 05? What about essendon in 02 & 03?

Buckley's chance? Very good! I don't think he deserves it but we being Collingwood guess what, we'll re sign him at our peril

 

[Countrypie]

What would Carey know about anything?
.

EFA

 

[westozpie]

This is not an anti Bucks spiel; I've clearly stated that this is not the thread for comparing the 2. If you really want to know why the fall off in 04 I couldn't tell you, tbh I don't think we should've got to 02 and 03 in the 1st place we played above ourselves - credit to good development . Why the fall off after 90? Why did bris fall off in 05? What about essendon in 02 & 03?

Buckley's chance? Very good! I don't think he deserves it but we being Collingwood guess what, we'll re sign him at our peril

Cheers for reply, again I'm not being smart arsed or not trying to be argumentative here.
As you rightly state there has been lots of times that teams having reached the top of the mountain seem to fall away, and that has happened to us. What I can't understand why so much hate from some (I concede not you) about our falling away towards Bucks. Apart from Hawthorn and Sydney it appears to happen to all teams. We can agree we have dropped away we can disagree the reasons, but given its more the norm for premiership teams to fall away, just don't get the absolute hate from some to someone who is a great of our club and as a coach hasn't had us at rock bottom.

 

[Roverjg]

Well researched although you forgot Bucks games coached, draws, wins and winning % section. Must have been a accident

Sorry..It was an oversight, however his stats have been done to death.
Overall: 70-1-64 = 51.85%
2012: 17-8 = 68%
2013: 14-9 = 60.9%
2014: 11/11 = 50%
2015: 10/12 = 45.4%
2016: 9/13 = 40.9%
2017: 8/12 = 40%

 

[Matt_352]

What would Carey know about our coaching direction?
Still think Ratten is the best option.

Yeah im still big fan of Ratten