Mega Thread The 2017 'Buckley's Chances' Thread

[loki04]

Yeah im still big fan of Ratten

He'd want to of learnt a lot under Clarko, or might as well stay the course with Bucks.

 

[Countrypie]

Sorry..It was an oversight, however his stats have been done to death.
Overall: 70-1-64 = 51.85%
2012: 17-8 = 68%
2013: 14-9 = 60.9%
2014: 11/11 = 50%
2015: 10/12 = 45.4%
2016: 9/13 = 40.9%
2017: 8/12 = 40%

Hate to be pedantic but 2017 : 8.5/11 =42.5% Trivial I know, but it is what it is

 

[Carringbush2010]

Isn't Bucks accused of having us playing boring football by some of you. Pretty sure the swans were accused of that by a certain afl president (yes won a premiership but there extra salary cap allowance that had a hand in that also) and wasn't Melbourne accused of boring defensive footy as well with some shocking low scores. So Roos will come with some negatives hope you then defend him on here if in the next to no chance he coaches collingwood

So what do you want? Pretty footy or finals? Good boy culture or finals? Let's be honest Longmire and Roos are proven successes - even Roos recently with Melbourne and Longmire in the gf last year. So when are we gonna be successful, doesn't look like any time soon. bucks or no bucks

 

[Matt_352]

He'd want to of learnt a lot under Clarko, or might as well stay the course with Bucks.

Was already better then Bucks before going to Hawthorn

 

[Countrypie]

Was already better then Bucks before going to Hawthorn

Chanting can have wonderful mystical connotations. Keep it up, I'm sure the moment of awakening is close

 

[Carringbush2010]

So it looks more and more likely Bucks will get an extension - ah well at some point the club will have an epiphany and change things up. It is impossible for the club to stay much longer in mediocrity it's just not accepted at Collingwood. Next year or the year after a change will happen or at least be looked at at board level.

Some are looking at the richmond situation and hanging their hat on we'll do the same I'd call that desperation, we are and have been in completely different universes! that is blind hope at best. I think Dimma has squeezed all he could out of that list previous to this year, now with Nankervis, Caddy, Prestia, Rioli and co. playing out of their collective skin they're in the conversation - good development.

Externally it does not look like our FD can achieve the same, god I hope I'm wrong. I'd look at cleaning out the coaching panel and leave bucks, but there is reasonable argument to say he is too stubborn - if that is true then no amount changes elsewhere will improve our situation.

 

[Countrypie]

So it looks more and more likely Bucks will get an extension - ah well at some point the club will have an epiphany and change things up. It is impossible for the club to stay much longer in mediocrity it's just not accepted at Collingwood. Next year or the year after a change will happen or at least be looked at at board level.

Some are looking at the richmond situation and hanging their hat on we'll do the same I'd call that desperation, we are and have been in completely different universes! that is blind hope at best. I think Dimma has squeezed all he could out of that list previous to this year, now with Nankervis, Caddy, Prestia

It's funny. I'm starting to read the tea leaves as pointing the other way.
It would be easy for Ed, if the last half of the season was a train wreck or a complete success he'd have an easy decision. That's what he'd prefer. I read his statements as having a bob each way and ultimtely Ed will do what's right for Ed. Collingwood doesn't enter into the equation. I think he'll throw Buckley over the side to appease the masses.

 

[westozpie]

So what do you want? Pretty footy or finals? Good boy culture or finals? Let's be honest Longmire and Roos are proven successes - even Roos recently with Melbourne and Longmire in the gf last year. So when are we gonna be successful, doesn't look like any time soon. bucks or no bucks

Finals for me everyday of the week. Not so sure Roos was overly successful at Melb, more stopped the bleeding by being ultra defensive. A congo line of high draft picks has helped Melbourne not so much Roos the genius. Saintly is correct, its the cattle always has been about having the cattle. Leigh Mathews has said the same.

 

[Carringbush2010]

It's funny. I'm starting to read the tea leaves as pointing the other way.
It would be easy for Ed, if the last half of the season was a train wreck or a complete success he'd have an easy decision. That's what he'd prefer. I read his statements as having a bob each way and ultimtely Ed will do what's right for Ed. Collingwood doesn't enter into the equation. I think he'll throw Buckley over the side to appease the masses.

Well you could say we agree, it's just a matter of when IMO Nathan will stay on for next year and if it goes more awry than now Ed would make a move probably there and then - if there's any sniff of improvement he won't

 

[wicksy]

With the amount of football intellects and current Collingwood players endorsing Buckley as a good coach, I find it difficult to believe that a bunch of Bigfooty members can make a more informed decision on our current predicament.

Before the players voices were heard, I was on the fence leaning towards the "Buckley is gone" but now i'm firmly on the "stability is key" side.
Stability in the football department, some nice off-season gets to plug some holes and full steam towards 2018. We will play finals.

 

[Carringbush2010]

Finals for me everyday of the week. Not so sure Roos was overly successful at Melb, more stopped the bleeding by being ultra defensive. A congo line of high draft picks has helped Melbourne not so much Roos the genius. Saintly is correct, its the cattle always has been about having the cattle. Leigh Mathews has said the same.

So you wouldn't agree that player development is possible? Players are as good as they can get as soon as they enter the system? IMO the Melbourne scenario is a combo of good coaching and development (which is one and the same anyway). So yeah cattle has something to do with it but you can't deny development is a major integral part. Only North of the 70's "bought" their success, even the "manufactured" teams from bris to gws has obviously "developed" i:e players already on their list have improved.

 

[Roverjg]

This is on Today's Herald Sun Web-site talking about Free Agents and Coaches

Jon really need your thoughts or mail does buckley stay as coach of pies after this year

Jon moderator4 minutes ago
Troy I think it's time to try someone else. I know people will say that he has had his best year of coaching this year but the Pies were 5-10 and showed themselves unable to formulate a game plan that won games despite a domination of midfield possessions. Since then they have been better.

But just having a team that plays for the coach or has a crack isn't enough, surely that's an expectation. Having said that, I know Caro said he would be sacked and now says he will be signed.

The mail is that Geoff Walsh believes he should be re-signed but I think Eddie McGuire is truly torn. I say that from working with him and spending time with him on Friday nights. I know he hasn't made a decision so how anyone can say he will stay or go is just premature.

But think of those moved on coaches without knowing who the replacement would be in recent years.

Chris Fagan has been brilliance, Brendon Bolton an inspiration (even if he could open his game plan up more) and Don Pyke amazing stepping into Phil Walsh's job. So until you move on your coach and assess the candidates, sometimes you don't know how good the replacement will be.

 

[westozpie]

So you wouldn't agree that player development is possible? Players are as good as they can get as soon as they enter the system? IMO the Melbourne scenario is a combo of good coaching and development (which is one and the same anyway). So yeah cattle has something to do with it but you can't deny development is a major integral part. Only North of the 70's "bought" their success, even the "manufactured" teams from bris to gws has obviously "developed" i:e players already on their list have improved.

Silly comment , of course player development is possible not sure how you thought I was saying that. What I meant by congo line of high draft picks us that a club with more first round picks have more of a chance than a club with very little when the players fully develop. Make it easier, a number one pick will in nearly all cases develop better than a pick 60 if at the same club being equally developed. One should become elite the other will probably be handy. GWS can develop their picks equally with let's say WCE, who do you think will be higher on the ladder.

 

[jackcass]

Finals for me everyday of the week. Not so sure Roos was overly successful at Melb, more stopped the bleeding by being ultra defensive. A congo line of high draft picks has helped Melbourne not so much Roos the genius. Saintly is correct, its the cattle always has been about having the cattle. Leigh Mathews has said the same.

Agree on Roos, had 3 years at the Dees and went at about 30%. Apparently all the factors raised to support Bucks are excuses so doesn't leave Roos a lot of wriggle room.

 

[TTRRAAVVIISS]

Hate to be pedantic but 2017 : 8.5/11 =42.5% Trivial I know, but it is what it is

I think he's talking about winning percentage. If so, a draw is not a win. Therefore, buckleys winning percentage in 2017 is in fact 40%. 8 wins from 20 games.

A draw is neither a win or a loss.

I wouldn't say Buckley has had 11.5 losses. He's had 8 wins 1 draw and 11 losses. His losing percentage in 2017 is 55%. If you add 0.5 for the draw it's 57%. Sorry to be pedantic.

 

[Countrypie]

I think he's talking about winning percentage. If so, a draw is not a win. Therefore, buckleys winning percentage in 2017 is in fact 40%. 8 wins from 20 games.

A draw is neither a win or a loss.

I wouldn't say Buckley has had 11.5 losses. He's had 8 wins 1 draw and 11 losses. His losing percentage in 2017 is 55%. If you add 0.5 for the draw it's 57%. Sorry to be pedantic.

& yet he's listed the draw as a loss - statistics prove what you want. Carry on

 

[loki04]

Was already better then Bucks before going to Hawthorn

Negative.

 

[TTRRAAVVIISS]

& yet he's listed the draw as a loss - statistics prove what you want. Carry on

Well not necessarily as a loss. A draw can be classified as a "non-win" also. He's right in that we've had 8 wins and 12 non wins.

Either way you wanna try and spin it Bucks has a 40% win rate, 55% loss rate and a 5% draw rate from 20 games. Funny how these stats can't be used to prove Bucks is a good coach though.

As you were.

 

[Countrypie]

Well not necessarily as a loss. A draw can be classified as a "non-win" also. He's right in that we've had 8 wins and 12 non wins. Either way you wanna try and spin it Bucks has a 40% win rate, 55% loss rate and a 5% draw rate from 20 games. Funny how these stats can't be used to prove Bucks is a good coach though.
As you were.

your own words

 

[No SPIN]

Ignore them Spinny. You have been on fire these last 3 pages. Running so many simultaneous arguments takes some serious skill and even the best can get confused with who said what.

Thanks Mate

 

[No SPIN]

Well not necessarily as a loss. A draw can be classified as a "non-win" also. He's right in that we've had 8 wins and 12 non wins.

Either way you wanna try and spin it Bucks has a 40% win rate, 55% loss rate and a 5% draw rate from 20 games. Funny how these stats can't be used to prove Bucks is a good coach though.

As you were.

Actually he has scored premiership points in 9 games - and lost 11 games. So given it's all about premiership points, then on this stat he's at 45%.

 

[westozpie]

Agree on Roos, had 3 years at the Dees and went at about 30%. Apparently all the factors raised to support Bucks are excuses so doesn't leave Roos a lot of wriggle room.

Spot on

 

[Carringbush2010]

Silly comment , of course player development is possible not sure how you thought I was saying that

You did say it was all about the cattle did you not? You did not mention anything on development, it looked like you were suggesting that it's cattle only - that's how I come to that conclusion

 

[TTRRAAVVIISS]

your own words

Haha oh my. I suggest you don't attempt to mislead the good Collingwood people on this board and claim draws as half a win in future. Don't try and eek out an extra 2.5% for the coach when it ain't fact. It's a 40% winning percentage from 20 games. It is what it is

 

[TTRRAAVVIISS]

Actually he has scored premiership points in 9 games - and lost 11 games. So given it's all about premiership points, then on this stat he's at 45%.

Bwhahaha shit I gotta alert opposition supporters to this post of yours. Absolute classic. They'd be in tears of joy laughing at your desperate need to some how boost Bucks record.

It's about premiership points is it. Haha so I guess you'd be happy to draw every game in 2018 and come out with 44 premiership points and another year of missed finals?

45% is still unacceptable. It's like you've just admitted "look guys Bucks is 45% crap, but he ain't 40% crap. No way is he 40% crap. Hang on how can I distract everyone from something as clear cut as winning percentage and flip it around.... hmmm I know premiership points..."

Pure gold Sport. Keep the cycle of spin coming. Just a gift that keeps on giving