Mega Thread The 2017 'Buckley's Chances' Thread

[doodles98]

don;t think you're getting the full picture. I think you need to go for a store manager who has watched over several deli managers successfully, with record sales in cheese, pastrami and those fish thingys that taste like chicken. Someone who values quick aisle movement down the ccenter corridor and who cn handle the rough necks when they come in around closing time.

You are correct as ever Countrypie. We need the sort of IGA store manager who knows that the black and gold label frozen dim sims are his bread and butter and that nobody is interested in the limp asparagus and brocolini.

 

[BringouttheGimp]

garyhasnoidea@collingwoodfc.com.au

Garygoldenballs@cfc.com.au

 

[BringouttheGimp]

If Hardas got a wif that we're coming up with alternative gary emails.. he might develop a new obsession outside of the word association game.

 

[BPikkers]

It is just a case of same old same old with the forward inefficiency, It stands out like dogs balls why it is not working and It is this stupid press up that is causing 95% off the issues.
Memo to Bucks, when you push up your defenders and half backs to the centre square yes you play a lot of footy in your half of the ground, but it also means that there are usually 36 players in half a ground also, this is what is causing the congestion and leaving no room for our forwards to move with freedom.

How are Moore and others supposed to have an influence when there are half a dozen players under every high ball coming in? forward retention is great on a mud soaked ground where 8 goals will get you the win but in this day and age it is so easy to unlock what we are trying to do.

All the opposition need to do is release one kick out of defence and go back over the mark, as our players taxingly fold back to try and stop a fast break other opposition players become free as they hold ground around half back and then it becomes quite easy to work your way to at least the wing, we are actually screwing ourselves in so many ways with this stupid energy sapping way of playing.
This team is better than that and deserves better, rather than sitting up all night analysing stats and key indicators that mean bugger all in most cases maybe Mr Bullish should actually think about why we get beat the same way every time and why things are falling down structurally because the bloke is clearly on the wrong page and you would think one of the yes men he employs would have the balls to approach him on the frailties of his ideas.

Yeah, how long does it take to identify we have an issue kicking goals?

How long does it take to work out the reasons why we aren't kicking goals?

It's not as if this has only been a recent issue.

So, what is being done to fix this problem?

Do we have a problem? Do we know how to fix it?

 

[doodles98]

Thread is starting to make some serious sense.

It is now it's been Gimplified. All it needed was some Gimplification.

 

[JB1975]

It is now it's been Gimplified. All it needed was some Gimplification.

All hail the Gimpleton!

 

[BringouttheGimp]

All hail the Gimpleton!

Thank you my child.

 

[BringouttheGimp]

It is now it's been Gimplified. All it needed was some Gimplification.

If only you were born me.. what a caesar you would have made.

 

[Pdid]

Releasing the mids at centre bounces and stoppages forward of centre is hardly new and unique to Collingwood. Were you given anything else? What do they do after the release? How about the other forwards, what do they do at stoppages?

Dont know but put it this way - the father of this bloke thought it was crap and he really knows how to play the half forward role..

 

[doodles98]

If only you were born me.. what a caesar you would have made.

That's an over-gimplification

 

[doodles98]

Dont know but put it this way - the father of this bloke thought it was crap and he really knows how to play the half forward role..

So you are saying that Peter Daicos told you he thought the way we use our half forwards was crap. Interesting.

Did you ask him wtf is going on with that weird tuft of hair he's got going on at the front surrounded by baldness.? Really needs to do something there.. not being disrespectful, I love the man too much not to bring it up because it was freaking me out when I saw it on Marngrook. If you get a chance tell him for me.

 

[BringouttheGimp]

That's an over-gimplification

I felt like a rockstar after my running matched the beat of to the song i was listening to on my ipod.. so i grew a braincell.. and came up with something brilliant. So yes.. most difenetely an over gimplification.

 

[BringouttheGimp]

A serious question:

Beverage.. Richardson.. Hinkley.. Pike.. Simpson.. Goodwin.. Cameron and others.. anyone have an idea of their resumes prior to securing the senior coaching job?

 

[10571z]

A serious question:

Beverage.. Richardson.. Hinkley.. Pike.. Simpson.. and others.. anyone have an idea of their resumes before they got a senior coaching job?

Well Bev coached a team from Premier C to Premier A Premiers (which honestly is a massive task) was an assistant at the pies in 2010 and then at hawks during some of their flags.

 

[BringouttheGimp]

Well Bev coached a team from Premier C to Premier A Premiers (which honestly is a massive task) was an assistant at the pies in 2010 and then at hawks during some of their flags.

So you're looking at about 10 yrs experience.. with some senior coaching experience in the local leagues.

 

[jadami1973]

I thought I'd take a look at the premiership coaches of the last 20 years and see how they stacked up against Buckley and in particular whether I was correct in my assumption that no coach prior to winning there first premiership missed finals 4 years running.

The good news for Buckley diehards is that there was one and none other than Mick Malthouse. It does come with an asterisk attached as those 4 years only a top 5 was in play so it makes it harder to judge. In two of those 4 years his side missed out on finals by 1 game and percentage.

Below are the results I've compiled with the maximum amount of consecutive years of non finals appearances per coach bolded as well as the years they occurred. Some notes of interest on each man also included.

Luke Beveridge coach 2016 to present - 0 (won premiership 2nd year)

Alastair Clarkson coach 2005 to present - 2 - years 05-06 (pre 2008 premiership) (won premiership in 4th year)

John Longmire coach 2011 to present - 0 (never missed finals) (won premiership in 2nd year)

Chris Scott coach 2011 to present - 1 - year 15 (post 2011 premiership) (won premiership 1st year)

Mick Malthouse coach 1984 to 2015 - 4 - years 86-89 (pre 1992 premiership, all Footscray, top 5 in play) (won premiership in 9th year)

Mark Thompson coach 2000 to 2010, 2014 - 3 - years 01-03 (pre 2007 premiership) (won premiership in 8th year)

John Worsfold coach 2002 to 2013, 2016 to present - 3 - years 08-10 (post 2006 premiership) (won premiership in 5th year)

Paul Roos coach 2002 to 2010, 2014 to 2016 - 3 - years 14-16 (post 2005 premiership, all Melbourne) (won premiership in 4th year)

Mark Williams coach 1999 to 2010 - 3 - years 08-10 (post 2004 premiership) (won premiership in 6th year)

Leigh Matthews coach 1986 to 1995, 1999 to 2008 - 4 - years 05-08 (post 2003 4th premiership) (won premiership in 5th year)

Kevin Sheedy coach 1981 to 2007, 2012 to 2013 - 5 - years 05-07, 12-13 (post 2000 4th premiership, includes 2 years at GWS) (won premiership in 4th year)

Denis Pagan coach 1993 to 2002, 2003 to 2007 - 5 - years 03-07 (post 1999 2nd premiership, all Carlton) (won premiership in 4th year)

Malcolm Blight coach 1989 to 1994, 1997 to 1999, 2001 - 2 - years 99, 01 (post 1998 2nd premiership, includes 15 games at St.kilda) (won premiership in *7th year *not including playing coach in 81)

David Parkin coach 1977 to 1980, 1981 to 1985, 1986 to 1988, 1991 to 2000 - 4 - years 87-88, 91-92 (post 1982 3rd premiership, 3 years at Fitzroy, top 6 in play 92) (won premiership in 2nd year)

Nice post I wonder if any of those coaches continually went backwards before winning a premiership out of the blue ?

 

[Countrypie]

You are correct as ever Countrypie. We need the sort of IGA store manager who knows that the black and gold label frozen dim sims are his bread and butter and that nobody is interested in the limp asparagus and brocolini.

No pretty platters in this neck of the woods. Just simple basic staples that will sustain the customer for three hours before returning for more. Why stop at IGA? why not go to McDonalds the masters of eat here and die around the corner marketing. That's what we need fast food football with a touch of gourmet class. Stewie Dew is shortening in the market I think

 

[BringouttheGimp]

Nice post I wonder if any of those coaches continually went backwards before winning a premiership out of the blue ?

It's interesting how all of em won a premiership within 5 yrs or thereabouts.. great stats.

Buckley is due.

Oh we haven't factored in all the previous experience these premiership coaches had prior to being appointed senior coaches. So Buckley is excused.. still 10 yrs required as an assistant coach at afl level combined with lower league senior coaching experience.

Genius Ed!!!

 

[jadami1973]

Fascinating list.
Like many stats they are an indicator not a definer.

Not to be pedantic, Nathan has coached two finals campaigns (acquired a finals team; as did Chris Scott) and has thus far only missed three finals series (this year would be the fourth, not looking that great so far).

I love exploring the records of flag winning coaches. They are telling.
But one thing I've always noticed, is a few telling signs.

All these coaches look in charge, have authority and obviously have strong football knowledge.

One other thing they all have, is a quality team, often laden with lots of top level talent.
That surely can't be a coincidence.

The premiership coaches that do it multiple times (era sides) tend to have stars and more stars. Not every star is always available but they overall they are there.

But that is just "coincidence."

Clarkson: Franklin, Hodge, Mitchell S, Roughead, Rioli, Burgoyne, Crawford (one flag), Lake etc

Thompson: Ablett, Bartel, Johnson, Scarlett, Kelly, etc

Matthews: Voss, Black, Ackermanis, Brown, Lynch, Leppitsch etc

Jeans: Matthews, Brereton, Platten, Dunstall, Tuck, Buckenara, Jarman, Langford (amazing they didn't win more flags) NB: Joyce also had this list pretty much sans Matthews

Sheedy: Madden, Watson, Daniher, Baker, Weston, etc then had Hird, Lloyd, Mecuri, Misiti, Long etc

In conclusion there is more to coaching than meets the eye.
Nathan may never reach the ultimate success, only one in 18 succeed each year, but it is amazing how the key factor in success (the players, hello, the players!) is sometimes not as well regarded as who is who in the FD or who is who in admin etc. or even who is being the medical guru. Important but the players go and do the business.

Where have you been exactly ? We HAD the players only lost 3 games to the same team in 2011. Some retired fair enough and then others were traded some with reason others without MANY CHOSE TO LEAVE. Also there is only a handful we have developed, yes there have been some injuries but the list development has been terrible truthfully and that lies with those in charge. This was a strength and now a clear weakness

 

[jadami1973]

It's interesting how all of em won a premiership within 5 yrs or thereabouts.. great stats.

Buckley is due.

Buckley's overdue

 

[BringouttheGimp]

Buckley's overdue

Hahaha.. I'll give Buckley the benefit of the doubt.. we must be a premiership threat this yr.

Just offloaded a gorilla on the pies to win the premiership at 200/1.

 

[TW Sherrin]

I haven't seen any media in the last few days so serious question..

has anyone asked Buckley why Reid hasn't been played forward?

 

[Countrypie]

Where have you been exactly ? We HAD the players only lost 3 games to the same team in 2011. Some retired fair enough and then others were traded some with reason others without MANY CHOSE TO LEAVE. Also there is only a handful we have developed, yes there have been some injuries but the list development has been terrible truthfully and that lies with those in charge. This was a strength and now a clear weakness

This has been done to death. No one's mind on either side of the argument will change. I've already said Buckley's biggest failing was that he didn't cut deep enough and therein lies one of the great issues with Collingwood fans - we over rate our players. Exhibit A: Fasolo Exhibit B: Jamie Elliott Exhibit C: Darcy Moore. All of these players are AFL standard, but would be rated lower by unbiased footy fans and by the coaching panel than we the fans, do.
The first step in assessing BUckley's performance - good, bad or indifferent is to assess the list in comparison to a team that's up and about - say Adelaide. All three players would struggle to get a game there. Yes, I know I'm being harsh on Jamie Elliott but realistically he has to take Bett's or Cameron's spot and even at his best that would be a close run thing. Go through our list and categorise every player A, B,C or D. With the exception of Pendles, Grundy and probably Treloar I'd bet you've rated them too high

 

[BEEG]

Hahaha.. I'll give Buckley the benefit of the doubt.. we must be a premiership threat this yr.

Just offloaded a gorilla on the pies to win the premiership at 200/1.

What's back 2 back paying?

 

[Matt_352]

This guy been an assistant nearly 10 years