The Academies - 2016

[FlowersByIrene]

Does anyone realise that players choose wether or not they want to be in the academy, no one is forcing them.

Apart from the AFL conspiracy to gift the northern clubs talent they dont deserve

 

[RUNVS]

Apart from the AFL conspiracy to gift the northern clubs talent they dont deserve

Like Carlton with all those number 1 draft picks?

 

[FlowersByIrene]

Like Carlton with all those number 1 draft picks?

Lol "my name is RUNVS, im a selfish supporter; I try rebut other peoples genuine concerns with things that have utterly zero relevance, i'm not sure if its because im a troll, or an idiot"

 

[Pykie]

I would say AFL junior development in NSW and Qld prior to the Academies was very broken - evidence being the number of AFL players from NSW and Qld.

In general, yes, as a % of the population.

In Albury and the Riverina?

I honestly laugh at that.

Country footy is ****ing huge in these areas.

Albury Tigers have a wage budget of around $300,000 p.a for local footy.


GWS should devote their resources to developing Orange, Bathurst, Golbourn, not Albury ffs. I say "devote" very liberally, because it's pretty widely known they barely have anything to do with these kids.

It's different to the Swans academy where they have young kids from the city actively involved with coaches etc. It's not like GWS are busing these kids up to camps once a month, they are just farming them away.

 

[Colonial]

In general, yes, as a % of the population.

In Albury and the Riverina?

I honestly laugh at that.

Country footy is ******* huge in these areas.

Albury Tigers have a wage budget of around $300,000 p.a for local footy.


GWS should devote their resources to developing Orange, Bathurst, Golbourn, not Albury ffs. I say "devote" very liberally, because it's pretty widely known they barely have anything to do with these kids.

It's different to the Swans academy where they have young kids from the city actively involved with coaches etc. It's not like GWS are busing these kids up to camps once a month, they are just farming them away.

Actually we have a central west academy as well.

You really are just full of it. Like most of the scaremongers on here.

Traditional cheating is allowed but when something benefits the 4 northern clubs we get this bull.

 

[Pykie]

RE Hopper http://www.gwsgiants.com.au/video/2015-10-16/pm-capital-academy-prospects-hopper

For anybody that questions what GWS is doing with the Academy I think this video is a slam dunk. For people to suggest Hopper had limited contact and benefit from the Academy is just balls.

When the AFL ran programs in the Riverina they never had any traction. There was no end game for any of the kids or their families and hence there was little benefit. The Giants have created a real pathway and the kids are responding to this.

Instead of celebrating this growth the bitterness from the original draft allocations is allowing jealousy and resentment potentially put a slow on this success story.

First you hated us because we were plastic, then you wanted us kicked out because we couldn't win a game or get a crowd now we need to be punished for potentially being too good.

And we haven't even qualified for a final yet...

Hahaha, do you believe what you say?


Little wonder how the likes of Carey, Kelly, Stevens, Longmire, the Dannihers, Brownless, Crawford, Kirk, Barry, Hawkins managed to "stumble" upon the game without the pathways created by GWS........

 

[Pykie]

Actually we have a central west academy as well.

You really are just full of it. Like most of the scaremongers on here.

Traditional cheating is allowed but when something benefits the 4 northern clubs we get this bull.

Have you been or experienced football in the Riverina and Albury?

I've played in it and been around it, observed it for nearly 20 years.

So who's got no idea?

 

[coniglio_number1]

Wow I haven't seen that sort of reaction since primary school

 

[1892]

Wait, what?



So what are you referring to if not the TAC Cup?

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Seems awfully like you're referring to the TAC Cup?



Seems to be fairly selective picking there. Here, let me help you.

2015 others:

Harry BRILL
Brandon CLARK
Jock CORNELL
Sam FISHER
Lachlan FLAGG
Nelson FOLEY
Logan GRAY
Tom HIGHMORE
Lyndon HUPFELD
Jack IRVINE
Alex JOHNSTON
Matthew KLEMKE
Billy LAMBERT
Luke McKAY
Lachlan MOORE
William MUIR
Connor OWEN-AUBURN
Tom POWELL
Donald ROBERTS

2016 others:

Jarrod BRANDER
Matt NEAGLE
Connor BYRNE
Alex PAECH
Fletcher CARROLL
Brandon CLARK
Jack POWELL
Isaac CUMMING
Tom RAGENOVICH
Josh DOWSE
Luke REDFERN
Sam FISHER
Nathan RICHARDS
Ryan GARTHWAITE
Donald ROBERTS
Logan GRAY
Joshua HANLON
Luke SHANNON
Jack IRVINE
Nicholas SHIPLEY
Ethan SLATER
Derek SMITH
Mitch MAGUIRE
Charlie SPARGO
Lucas MELINE
Brady MORTON
Jacob TURNER
Matthew VARDENEGA
Brendan MYERS
Jayden WHITE

Non-comprehensive list by the way.

So, lots, hey?

From the bits you've bolded, not once did I state the TAC cup was a Victorian comp, so you can say it as many times as you wish, but it's not going to put your words into my mouth. Obviously if a kid is going to school in Victoria, he's going to play school footy and have a local Victorian club should they not be selected for TAC cup and the majority of their development will be in Victoria. It's not rocket science.

I only went off those drafted to GWS in 2015 (which is the sensible way to do things) and the top rated prospects in 2016. Most of those players you've listed weren't drafted, so they're not relevant to the discussion or at least the point I was making. Take out those I named and GWS' academy selections drop by over 50%, that's a lot in any bodies book.

 

[Colonial]

Have you been or experienced football in the Riverina and Albury?

I've played in it and been around it, observed it for nearly 20 years.

So who's got no idea?

Your the one saying theres no deveopment in the central west. When we have an academy there.

So youve been around it and i agree with you. Until the academies there was **** all happening down there.

 

[Pykie]

Your the one saying theres no deveopment in the central west. When we have an academy there.

So youve been around it and i agree with you. Until the academies there was **** all happening down there.

How many draftees have you churned out of the mid west?



There's only been a consistent stream of first round picks from the region for pretty much the whole life span of the draft, couple that with historically the best group of players outside of Vic, WA, SA.

There's been a premiership player from the Riverina every decade since 1910.

Yeah, **** all.


Let us not forget you have Albury too.....

 

[dmac_55]

In regards to the discounts some are arguing over in academy selections, I suggest the first player taken be eligible for a discount but any after that be paid in full pick value of where they are drafted. For example Hopper and Hipwood were eligible for the discount but Kennedy and Keays were to be paid in the full amount of that selection.

It is a good thing for the Northern clubs to obtain a player from their academy with less of a go home factor, however in the event a very strong bunch of academy kids are eligible in the one year there is more of an impact on draft capital than currently.

 

[dlanod]

From the bits you've bolded, not once did I state the TAC cup was a Victorian comp, so you can say it as many times as you wish, but it's not going to put your words into my mouth. Obviously if a kid is going to school in Victoria, he's going to play school footy and have a local Victorian club should they not be selected for TAC cup and the majority of their development will be in Victoria. It's not rocket science.

I was honestly curious about what you meant by Victorian competitions if it wasn't the TAC Cup, but then your next post then focused on the TAC Cup. If you're referring to school footy, that's fine. I didn't think school footy was a big deal compared to TAC Cup, but having not had the exposure to the Victorian footy set-up I'm coming from a base of ignorance about the levels below TAC Cup. Thank you for the explanation.

I only went off those drafted to GWS in 2015 (which is the sensible way to do things) and the top rated prospects in 2016. Most of those players you've listed weren't drafted, so they're not relevant to the discussion or at least the point I was making. Take out those I named and GWS' academy selections drop by over 50%, that's a lot in any bodies book.

Yep, top talents come through the Riverina (and Canberra) at the moment because there hasn't been enough time for focused impact in western Sydney. There'll be solid players coming through but it might be this year, next, or the year after before we get the first draftees. It doesn't mean that they're worth discarding when talking about the academy - after all they're benefiting from it even if they're not getting picked up in their draft year.

 

[Colonial]

How many draftees have you churned out of the mid west?



There's only been a consistent stream of first round picks from the region for pretty much the whole life span of the draft, couple that with historically the best group of players outside of Vic, WA, SA.

There's been a premiership player from the Riverina every decade since 1910.

Yeah, **** all.


Let us not forget you have Albury too.....

I know this may be hard for you to understand. But as those areas are brand spanking new to footy its going to take a while to get any players from them. Its not like we can have 13 year olds running out for us at spotless.

As for Riverina, 1 a decade eh? Wow. Ive seen the list for every year dating back to 2000. Been terrible development down there.
Until we got it and all of a sudden theres so much more.

 

[isamedthegiants]

After all we all know isamedthegiants is the noted AFL and GWS strategician, with his views speaking for all the top brass. Top brass, I say!

God help us if I am.

 

[Colonial]

You people do realise that your leader in the destruction of the evil academies is one Eddie Pie Heart who last night called for the Giants to have use of only 95% of the cap total. So that way we can be a feeder club to you guys.
Nah.

 

[dlanod]

God help us if I am.

Truest thing you've ever said!

 

[JEZZAS BLUES]

I do not see any problem with the Northern clubs having academies if the game is to develop further up there i think its necessary not to mention the fact that many clubs including Carlton have been successful in bringing home players and usually at a cheap rate..
These clubs just the same as any others deserve to have players who want to stay and build success and as i see it the locals are the best way to do it...

 

[1892]

I was honestly curious about what you meant by Victorian competitions if it wasn't the TAC Cup, but then your next post then focused on the TAC Cup. If you're referring to school footy, that's fine. I didn't think school footy was a big deal compared to TAC Cup, but having not had the exposure to the Victorian footy set-up I'm coming from a base of ignorance about the levels below TAC Cup. Thank you for the explanation.



Yep, top talents come through the Riverina (and Canberra) at the moment because there hasn't been enough time for focused impact in western Sydney. There'll be solid players coming through but it might be this year, next, or the year after before we get the first draftees. It doesn't mean that they're worth discarding when talking about the academy - after all they're benefiting from it even if they're not getting picked up in their draft year.

My take on TAC cup is that it's the upper level of junior footy and players need to develop their skills enough elsewhere to be selected. We're also seeing more players choose to focus on school footy ahead of playing TAC cup, Daicos last year is one example.

 

[isamedthegiants]

Jesus, this is just a cluster**** of strawmen and ad hominems thrown together with reckless abandon. I don't even know where to begin.

Basically you've given up.

Oh, but you're just a little pissed so this is your retort

But seriously, can we just address the elephant in the room and can you explain why the Riverina is seemingly the only area in Australia of which there is grave concern for its inability to produce talent at a parity rate with the rest of the country?

2 top 20 draftees until we started our academy from 2000 - 2014, is a good example of why an academy there is a good thing.

Considering the north-west quarter of Victoria and virtually half of Tasmania have been in the doldrums for 20 years, I find the 'omg 2 in 20' crap to be purely melodramatic bullshit.

But the north-west quarter of Vicoria and virtually half of Tasmania aren't producing Rugby League and Rugby Union players as well as AFL players. There is no competition apart from a summer sport for their "hearts and minds"

And if we're really so hung up on the sheer crisis that developed from the Riverina not seeing any of their boys go in the top 20, there are dozens of better ways the AFL (not one club, the AFL) can manage that region without it existing solely for the benefit of one club. And it does, don't give that shit of "yeah but you'll get our scraps".

But it doesn't and you can, and other clubs did last year. Just like clubs will this year.

I mean, is it so hard to believe that maybe the kids were just shit for ten years?

Actually it was 15 years, and who's to say that the kids from the north-west quarter of Victoria and half of Tasmania are just going through their shit period at the moment?

Somebody made a good point earlier; Hopper was barely with the academy at all. Begs the question, are you guys actually developing them or just snapping them up when the time comes?

Why don't you go for a drive and find out. Attend a few sessions and get back to me.

Someone else made a good point, who's to say that the VFL clubs won't kick up a stink if we have a production line of talented kids from Blacktown and Bankstown that go on to be elite players, and all of a sudden you want our Western Sydney academy shut down also?

What are our guarantees this is where it stops?

Of course, the real answer is that GWS doesn't want to give up the Riverina because it's a huge boost for the club on the draft table. Fair enough, you needed it at one point. But now GWS is well and truly established, I think you can afford to hand it back in the near future.

Last year it was. This year might be. The next 20 years following can go back to their crap phase, and no one down south would give a flying f$@k

But, just because we may get a couple of good ones, you want to take it off us.

There's a word for that.

 

[isamedthegiants]

Lol "my name is RUNVS, im a selfish supporter; I try rebut other peoples genuine concerns with things that have utterly zero relevance, i'm not sure if its because im a troll, or an idiot"

Maybe he's the CEO of Vidal Sasoon?

 

[isamedthegiants]

You people do realise that your leader in the destruction of the evil academies is one Eddie Pie Heart who last night called for the Giants to have use of only 95% of the cap total. So that way we can be a feeder club to you guys.
Nah.

Gotta be the dumbest thing he's said.
Ever.

 

[Colonial]

Lol "my name is RUNVS, im a selfish supporter; I try rebut other peoples genuine concerns with things that have utterly zero relevance, i'm not sure if its because im a troll, or an idiot"

Ahhh so this thread is just a giants troll.
Adding information to make it an even conversation should be allowed.

Interesting

 

[Suma Magic]

95% cap is a stupid idea. I see why he said it but I don't think it's a good strategy to take.

 

[Andre the Giant]

Hahaha, do you believe what you say?


Little wonder how the likes of Carey, Kelly, Stevens, Longmire, the Dannihers, Brownless, Crawford, Kirk, Barry, Hawkins managed to "stumble" upon the game without the pathways created by GWS........

I think I trust Jacob Hopper's words more than you.

I notice a lot of your luminaries ran around in the 80's and 90's.

Isn't the point that this region has been under-performing for years??