the afl & alternate guernseys

[mcgarnacle]

the issue requires a directive from the afl to achieve uniformity on the matter. match day protocols need to be introduced and enforced by the afl. all clubs are currently abiding by the guidelines (or lack of) of the afl which promotes the inconsistencies of the use playing strips.

As the article pointed out, the players at Geelong FC are rasing the issue with the club. These are the guys who entertain us every week and in their opinion, there is a problem with playing strip clashes. The afl, the clubs & its supporters consider the competition to be the most progressive in the country, but due to the ignorant & selfish views of a group associated with the game, it remains behind in a area which affects the presentation of the game. Their behaviour is extremely unprofessional and not in the best interests of the game. FIFA has had a rule on the matter since the 50's.

the afl must ensure that all 16 clubs submit details of a standard playing strip at the beginning of each season. this must be used in all home games and in away matches where there isn't any clash of strips. minor adjustments may be made to these strips for minor clashes (eg shorts & socks). details of alternate strips must also be submitted for use in away matches where there is a major clash. unfortunately for some clubs this may require a departure from the club colours.

st kilda should be comended rather than vilified with their efforts to avoid a playing strip clash in their away matches against the likes of essendon & collingwood. their efforts are progressive, unlike collingwood who refused to adopt an alternate strip in their away game to port earlier this season. all this did was promote a *** for tat response from port who refused to adopt a predominately teal strip for the prelim final, rather, played in black & white. what a great presetation of aust footy this was for our new australian & international audience.

but in the end, collingwood, port and other clubs are abiding by the current rules of the afl. therefore collingwood are within their rights to refrain from adopting an alternate strip away to port and vice versa. the onus should not be on the individual clubs to resolve the matter. a match day ruling should be implemented and enforced by the afl. i thought that the eddie & chocko confrontation last season would have been a catalyst for the afl to make a ruling for future seasons, but they have sat on their hands. How inept is this organisation.

 

[gold cup 1996]

Originally posted by moomba
To be honest I think that clubs objections to change strips are quite pathetic.

It is a good marketing opportunity for the whole league, and it will add revenue to football, without taking a single thing away from the competition.

I just can't imagine that any supporter would be so weak that they couldn't get just as much enjoyment out of seeing their team play in an alternate strip as they do in the original.

Moomba

I agree to an extent. I was at Colonial in 2000 when North played Collingwood in the West Tigers colours & I went to the game to be as passionate as I normally would, a pity though the players that same day weren't, because looking back at it I feel that & our loss to Essendon that year were our worst performances for the year, very unkangaroo like.

 

[Crowz Gal]

You think it would b quiet simple don't you.
The away team wears an alternate Guernsy!!!

 

[parano1a]

Originally posted by Crowz Gal
I am not sure of the quote or the guy that was talking about Port going back to pink but,
I think you'll find that Collingwood go their colours from the Port Adelaide football club. Infact, William Crawley suggested that they use black and white and have the same logo as the South Australian inter-coloniel team, (Port Adelaide).

Otherwise the pies would have had colours of blue, white and scarlet.

Fact: The Collingwood F.C. has worn black and white in every VFL-AFL match they've played from 1897-2003. They also wore black and white in their five seasons in the VFA from 1892-1896. Prior to 1892, a Juniors club called Britannia existed playing at Victoria Park with the colours blue, white and scarlet. The Collingwood F.C. evolved from this club.

Fact: Port Adelaide Power has worn black, teal and white in every VFL-AFL match they've played, with the one exception of the heritage match.

 

[Crowz Gal]

Fact the Collingwood F.C got there colours from the Port Adelaide F.C
The fact that collingwood have worn them colours every game whatever is irrelevent I don't really care what colours they wear and I don't know why Collingwood supporters are so touchy on this subject.

All I am saying is that for Collingwood to have got there colours form P.A then Port Adelaide must have had them beforehand.
And the reason why Port haven't worn Black and white is because the AFL or whoever won't let them.

I hate Port Adelaide (being a Crows supporter) but at least they haven't made a big deal about not being able to wear their colours in the AFL (which they must of worn before the pies)

 

[parano1a]

Originally posted by mcgarnacle
the afl must ensure that all 16 clubs submit details of a standard playing strip at the beginning of each season. this must be used in all home games and in away matches where there isn't any clash of strips.

Clubs should be able to wear an away strip for all away games if they wish to. All it takes is common sense. For example, the Kangaroos wore their predominantly royal blue kangaroo emblem jumper for all away games this year, except for the game against the Bulldogs.

 

[Crowz Gal]

Not all teams (you know who)
Have this so called:- Common Sense!!

 

[mcgarnacle]

Originally posted by parano1a
Clubs should be able to wear an away strip for all away games if they wish to. All it takes is common sense. For example, the Kangaroos wore their predominantly royal blue kangaroo emblem jumper for all away games this year, except for the game against the Bulldogs.

do you currently work for the afl.
match day rule 1.1 - all teams are able to wear an away strip for away games if they wish to, all it takes is common sense.

this is why there are problems. common sense is so uncommon. uniformity is paramount for this to work.

 

[hotpie]

Originally posted by Crowz Gal
Fact the Collingwood F.C got there colours from the Port Adelaide F.C
The fact that collingwood have worn them colours every game whatever is irrelevent I don't really care what colours they wear and I don't know why Collingwood supporters are so touchy on this

Not relevant, whether or not its true. Its a pretty simple design - you hardly need to copy anybody to think it up.

In the history of this competition only one side has worn black and white as its regular uniform.

Collingwood.

As all teams wear different colours/designs Port had to choose something else.

 

[parano1a]

Originally posted by mcgarnacle
do you currently work for the afl.
match day rule 1.1 - all teams are able to wear an away strip for away games if they wish to, all it takes is common sense.

this is why there are problems. common sense is so uncommon. uniformity is paramount for this to work.

Okay, there are 240 combinations of games between the 16 teams with each team playing each other team both home and away.

Step 1. Clubs submit a design preference for a) home strip, b) away strip (these two can be the same if clubs wish) and c) alternative strip
The alternative strip must be a different predominant colour to the home strip, e.g. Adelaide's must be predominantly red or yellow, not navy blue
They also submit two colours of shorts (the club's darkest colour and white) and two colours/designs of socks

Step 2. The AFL reviews each of the 240 games and allocates jumper, shorts and socks for each of them making sure there are no clashes. Home team gets first preference for jumper, but may have to wear white shorts if this suits best.
AFL also allocates umpire uniform colour for each game.

Problem solved.

 

[mcgarnacle]

Originally posted by parano1a
Okay, there are 240 combinations of games between the 16 teams with each team playing each other team both home and away.

Step 1. Clubs submit a design preference for a) home strip, b) away strip (these two can be the same if clubs wish) and c) alternative strip
The alternative strip must be a different predominant colour to the home strip, e.g. Adelaide's must be predominantly red or yellow, not navy blue
They also submit two colours of shorts (the club's darkest colour and white) and two colours/designs of socks

Step 2. The AFL reviews each of the 240 games and allocates jumper, shorts and socks for each of them making sure there are no clashes. Home team gets first preference for jumper, but may have to wear white shorts if this suits best.
AFL also allocates umpire uniform colour for each game.

Problem solved.

away strips that aren't required to avoid clashes will only complicate the issue. what is the point it?

standard strip to be worn in all matches, changes to shorts and/or socks for minor clashes for the away team, alternate strip for major clash for the the away team. the home side should not have to change a thing.

 

[parano1a]

Originally posted by mcgarnacle
away strips that aren't required to avoid clashes will only complicate the issue. what is the point it?

Some clubs (West Coast, Kangaroos, Fremantle, Port Adelaide, Adelaide) want to wear a regular away strip for marketing purposes. They should be able to. It doesn't complicate the issue, if there's a clash they will revert to the home or alternative jumper as determined by the AFL.

standard strip to be worn in all matches, changes to shorts and/or socks for minor clashes for the away team, alternate strip for major clash for the the away team. the home side should not have to change a thing.

But consider games like:

Kangaroos v Bulldogs
Geelong v Collingwood
St Kilda v Essendon

In all three cases the home team wearing white shorts will help to reduce the clash.

 

[Mr Q]

Its easy.

Each club has two strips that are distinctly different from each other (not hard to do, even with your traditional colours). For each game the designated home team selects from their two jumpers (will usually select the traditional strip), and once this selection is made the away team selects theirs - unless either jumper clashes with the home team, when they will wear the other jumper.

In many cases this means both teams will be able to choose which strip they wear.

The result being some teams will have change strips they wear once or twice a year, while those that want to have regular alternate strips will wear theirs a bit more often.

Originally posted by parano1a
Possible Collingwood dark and light alternative strips:

Incidentally, MarkT, would those strips suggested above by parano1a be Collingwood enough for you (black and white, vertical stripes and all), as they certainly would fit the alternate strip requirements.

 

[Matt_TY]

http://portadelaidefc.com.au/default.asp?pg=history&spg=display&articleid=11240

Yes, you are right about Collingwood and the SA intercolonial team, but that wasn't the PAFC. When the CFC was founded in 1892, Port Adelaide were still wearing magenta and blue.


Port started in blue and white in 1870, then went to pink and white in 1877, then magenta and blue in 1883, then finally settled on black and white in 1902. Sorry, but the Woods had it first

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Oh and MrQ: I know I wasn't asked but center those stripes from parano1a's design and I'd support that.

 

[Fire]

Some clubs hold thier colours and layout sacred. To claim that they are backwards or whatever for doing so is pathetic.

Do we wish to see our jumpers evolve into something like the NRL's strips? Where the only differaince between the teams can be told by the sponsors logo? Or maybe like European soccer, where one team wears lime green and the other white. There, that solves an much overrated problem.

But it loses so much more. If as a supporter you dont have a sense of pride and heritage from your teams jumper then you are either a supporter of an interstate club or are not a hard core supporter.

If some clubs want to sell themselves out by wearing new colours for marketing purpose, like Saint Kilda have and to an extent North Melbourne, then good on them. I dont agree with it at all and I cringe everytime I see them wearing it, but at the end of the day it is their choice.

But I cannot agree with the AFL forcing clubs to change their jumpers. The day this happens, footy will lose something special in my eyes. I could never be as involved in a game with one side wearing something commercially designed and without meaning.

it remains behind in a area which affects the presentation of the game. Their behaviour is extremely unprofessional and not in the best interests of the game. FIFA has had a rule on the matter since the 50's.

'Progress' does not mean conformity. Who really cares what FIFA did in the 50's? It is not relevaint to the AFL. A teams jumper means something to many clubs supporters. If the FIFA didnt care about it then it does not mean we dont, or shouldnt.

But as i have saind earlier, i do support change. If it needs to be done then simply invert colours. Nothing much is lost by doing this and the problem is solved. Everyone wins.

 

[happy hawker]

Originally posted by Fire
Some clubs hold thier colours and layout sacred. To claim that they are backwards or whatever for doing so is pathetic.

Do we wish to see our jumpers evolve into something like the NRL's strips? Where the only differaince between the teams can be told by the sponsors logo? Or maybe like European soccer, where one team wears lime green and the other white. There, that solves an much overrated problem.

But it loses so much more. If as a supporter you dont have a sense of pride and heritage from your teams jumper then you are either a supporter of an interstate club or are not a hard core supporter.

If some clubs want to sell themselves out by wearing new colours for marketing purpose, like Saint Kilda have and to an extent North Melbourne, then good on them. I dont agree with it at all and I cringe everytime I see them wearing it, but at the end of the day it is their choice.

But I cannot agree with the AFL forcing clubs to change their jumpers. The day this happens, footy will lose something special in my eyes. I could never be as involved in a game with one side wearing something commercially designed and without meaning.



'Progress' does not mean conformity. Who really cares what FIFA did in the 50's? It is not relevaint to the AFL. A teams jumper means something to many clubs supporters. If the FIFA didnt care about it then it does not mean we dont, or shouldnt.

But as i have saind earlier, i do support change. If it needs to be done then simply invert colours. Nothing much is lost by doing this and the problem is solved. Everyone wins.

Cmon Fire it's nearly 2004!

How does changing a teams colours for 3,4 or 5 times a year hurt the 'tradition' of the jumper or team?

If a team were to play in alternate colours for a few games a year it would make no difference to the teams history or anything else for that matter. Way to much hyperbole and 'the sky is falling' rhetoric on this issue.

It's not about the blind following of other sports, it's about catching up with the professional attitude of most sports in the world today.

 

[parano1a]

Originally posted by Matt_TY
Oh and MrQ: I know I wasn't asked but center those stripes from parano1a's design and I'd support that.

Here goes...

 

[riccardo]

The above Guernseys get my vote, FWIW.
You don't have to stop being black and white stripes no one is asking that, you just have to vary the design and colour combination to avoid the clashes that have become inevitable due to the fabrics and design options now available to manufacturers.

 

[riccardo]

Originally posted by MarkT
Simple. He is an elected President and he isn't allowed to change. It's the members club and we are black and white stripes. End of story.

Can I ask then, without seeking to provoke an argument, did the members vote to change the guernsey design from thin black stripes with a white field and back to thick white stripes with a black field and back? If so, to what purpose?

 

[parano1a]

And here's the games to use them in:

Kangaroos v Collingwood

Geelong v Collingwood

St Kilda v Collingwood

Port Adelaide v Collingwood

 

[Ted]

Originally posted by parano1a
Here goes...

Nice design, but very unattractive colours.

 

[Tommo]

The Collingwood one are good but I wonder what the traditionalist might think?
Here is an Idea for the mods if each Team forum comes up with two jumpers each, much in same way as the two CFC ones above, then vote on the ones they like the most. Now the home jumper would obviously be the traditional one, and the other would be for when the club feels the traditional one clashes with the home teams jumper.

 

[Stealth bomber]

The Collingwood jumper probably is so easily solved, it isn't funny.

It's real easy.

Jumper #1: http://gareth.drivelwarehouse.com/archives/pies1.jpg

Jumper #2: http://gareth.drivelwarehouse.com/archives/pies2.jpg

Collingwood wore jumper #2 for basically 50 years, so I don't see why nobody's considered the idea.

 

[Adelaide Hawk]

Some clubs have been really stupid in all of this as well. I recall a game several years ago when Adelaide went west to play thje West Coast Eagles.
We know the Crows jumper (navy, red, gold), and the West Coast jumper was a lighter blue and gold. No problems with clashes.
For some insane reason, the Eagles decided to wear their alterate strip which was a darker blue, and had splashes of red and gold.
I couldn't tell who was who ... and the AFL did nothing about it. It was possibly the most idiotic thing I have seen so far as jumpers are concerned.

 

[JeffDunne]

This is an issue the AFL will bring in a rule on. Collingwood, Carlton and Essendon will jump and down the most. Eddie will do his unsual turn the story into me trick. He does have ratings to worry about.

Either these clubs will relunctantly follow and blame the AFL whenever their supporters flip, or the AFL will allow these teams to compensate the others for them not changing. Remember the "home ground" issue? I can't see the majority of other clubs complaing too much.