the afl & alternate guernseys

[Matt_TY]

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I love the whole Collingwood "hypocrisy" thing.

Yeah, we wore some different guernseys. One is black and white stripes and one is black and white stripes _with a magpie on it_. Ooooo. One, heaven forbid, is _white and black_ stripes. My word. Obviously that means we should be forced by the AFL to wear lime green and puce. I don't see what possible problem any reasonable person could have with us wearing the black stripes on white or the heritage jumper as a "clash" jumper. Fact is, we've worn black and white stripes since day one and there's no reason we should ever, EVER, have to wear anything otherwise. Neither should Essendon with their red sash on black. Neither should any club.

 

[riccardo]

Collingwood has only worn white stripes on black as of recently. Black stripes on white had been the Collingwood norm from day 1. Personally, I believe it was changed to attempt to prevent Port from reverting to white and blck, as that would clash with the "New Magpies" guernseys, but that is just my little conspiricy theory.
Look back at the last decade, even the last 5 years, and contrast that with the Collingwood guernsey of today. Pretty much completely different. Why Eddie and Co. point blank refuse to change, or accept past change, even forcing a re-design of the Heritage Guernsey to push to the fore Eddies version of history, is why he, and ythe club as a whole, are found to be a tad hypocrytical. Also pushing for change while refusing to conform to it yourselves is reason for this too.
The competition must evolve and change to stay solvent and interesting. Unfortunately, the change from wool or synthetics to cool skin fabric has resulted in clashes, between teams and even between teams and umpires. Every team should at least accept to makje an attempt at change for the good of the game.
Don't like it, you can join University (who refused to accept the change from amateur to proffessional) in the ranks of the no longer competing.

 

[Moo://_Cow]

alright i played around and came up with this

 

[Matt_TY]

Originally posted by riccardo
Collingwood has only worn white stripes on black as of recently. Black stripes on white had been the Collingwood norm from day 1. Personally, I believe it was changed to attempt to prevent Port from reverting to white and blck, as that would clash with the "New Magpies" guernseys, but that is just my little conspiricy theory.
Look back at the last decade, even the last 5 years, and contrast that with the Collingwood guernsey of today. Pretty much completely different. Why Eddie and Co. point blank refuse to change, or accept past change, even forcing a re-design of the Heritage Guernsey to push to the fore Eddies version of history, is why he, and ythe club as a whole, are found to be a tad hypocrytical. Also pushing for change while refusing to conform to it yourselves is reason for this too.
The competition must evolve and change to stay solvent and interesting. Unfortunately, the change from wool or synthetics to cool skin fabric has resulted in clashes, between teams and even between teams and umpires. Every team should at least accept to makje an attempt at change for the good of the game.
Don't like it, you can join University (who refused to accept the change from amateur to proffessional) in the ranks of the no longer competing.

But it has always, invariably, been black and white stripes. As for your "only in the last five years" crap, did you _look_ at the heritage jumper? Was that white with black stripes? Yes, Jimmy, I do believe it was...

And like it or not, we are simply too big a club for the AFL to drop, no matter what we say or do. They can fine us all they like - we're a rich club now - but deciding we're "no longer competing" would be an absolutely suicidal move by the AFL, and they know it. Ditto with Essendon. Ditto even with Carlton.

 

[dogsbody]

Originally posted by Matt_TY
But it has always, invariably, been black and white stripes. As for your "only in the last five years" crap, did you _look_ at the heritage jumper? Was that white with black stripes? Yes, Jimmy, I do believe it was...

And like it or not, we are simply too big a club for the AFL to drop, no matter what we say or do. They can fine us all they like - we're a rich club now - but deciding we're "no longer competing" would be an absolutely suicidal move by the AFL, and they know it. Ditto with Essendon. Ditto even with Carlton.

If Collingwood was dropped, then initially, there would be an uproar, AFL revenue would drop and the AFL would face a damages claim from the TV interests. It would be awkward for a few years but in no way suicidal for the league. The AFL controls the grounds, TV and broadcasting rights, overall marketing, even the intellectual property of the jumpers. Collingwood would have to disband or drop back to a minor league but the AFL would continue on its merry way. Essendon and Carlton would be delighted. They would see the freeing up of corporate support which might become available to them. Collingwood is not too big a club to drop. In fact, the AFL would drop Collingwood before an interstate club

Of course all this is moot. The AFL won't drop Collingwood or any other club, for that matter, over the issue of a Jumper.

 

[ComicStoreGuy]

The Collingwood jumpers of today are very hard to tell apart from St Kilda(at the ground) & other clubs on TV. Should all clubs have a clash jumper? Yes. Does that include Collingwood? Yes. Should they change from black and white stripes? No. My idea would be to make white the more predominate colour. Just look at the heritage jumper small black stripes with a large area of white. Or go with an all white back and a normal front(this jumper more for TV rather than players). Similar thing can be done with other clubs so they don't have to change with the times(or as the pies call it break with tradition).

 

[Stealth bomber]

Two things would help in my opinion, without forcing anyone to change guernseys would be to 1) abolish the home/away shorts rule and assign short colour based on practicality, and 2) Go back to using cloth, or fabrics that don't reflect so much sunlight and get so much darker when wet.

When I watch footage from 10-20 years ago, the guernseys all seem to stand out from each other better, even though they might all be the same designs used today, just because the colours seemed a little brighter. The shiny, reflective polyester they use on today's jumpers seem to have made colours harder to distinguish.

I also think maybe the AFL should introduce a rule that limits the amount of changes over a period of time. I hate it when clubs change the guernsey every single year.

I would hate to see the league turn into the NHL, where everybody has third jerseys now and some even have fourths. Not only that but they seem to have thrown out specific home and away rules regarding dark vs. light. As a result it can be pretty hard to recognize who is playing and where the game is being played. Once upon a time you knew instantly who was playing and who the home team was.

I think the whole concept of playing for the jumper kind of gets lost when you change it so often.

 

[dogsbody]

Originally posted by dogsbody
The home team plays in all-white. The visiting team plays in all-black. Both teams have bands in their club colours on the collars of the jumpers, as side bands on the shorts and on the cuffs of their socks.

OK. Collingwood are allowed to wear a patch over the players' hearts with vertical black and white stripes.

 

[CJH]

FWIW, Richmond will be using a radically different jumper in next year's Wizard Wok. Pictures of this jumper haven't been made available yet but it is described as all yellow with a large Tiger's head on the front.

I take this as being part of a conditioning process and would expect us to use alternate guernsey's when we are away to Essendon, Carlton, Melbourne, West Coast and Adelaide.

For me, it is the colours that are more important than the configuration of those colours. This is where I probably differ to the 'traditionalists' who will accept us with wearing nothing but black with yellow sash and are even pushing for a return of the sash on the back.

Seeing the Tigers go around last year with the yellow and black vertical stripes possibly took the wind out of the 'traditional' argument . Here we were wearing a different guernsey that was nonetheless 'traditional'. What could a traditionalist say against it that wasn't hypocritical?

I hate the white shorts. Hate them with a passion. Our colours are Yellow and Black. Not Yellow, Black and White! If wearing an alternate jumper meant doing away with the white shorts then I am happy. Big win all around!

As a suggestion for a Richmond alternate jumper, I would favour:

• All Yellow jumper with a black 'claw' (similar to the old Wizard Wok design) which was extended to run from shoulder to hip. In reality, this would just be a stylised version of the sash.
• Black shorts (How naff would yellow look?)
• All black socks with yellow trim on the top.

The only jumper this would possibly clash with would be Hawthorn's. This is not an issue as we would wear our Black uniform in this case.

 

[Moo://_Cow]

Originally posted by CJH
but it is described as all yellow with a large Tiger's head on the front.

???

 

[Benevolent Ert]

It's such a simple issue to resolve with minimum fuss!!!

1. All clubs must design a "clash guernsey" based on the non-dominant colour of their traditional strip - which is often white, (Collingwood's mainly white heritage guernsey is an ideal alternate strip, Essendon, Melbourne, Adelaide need to come up with something mainly red etc.) NO club need introduce foreign colours.

2. The home team shall wear their "traditional strip" at all times
(during finals a coin toss shall determine which team wears the 'home strip')

3. The away team shall wear whichever strip clashes least with the home team (including shorts colour!)

 

[benny's buddy]

Originally posted by Matt_TY
And like it or not, we are simply too big a club for the AFL to drop, no matter what we say or do. They can fine us all they like - we're a rich club now - but deciding we're "no longer competing" would be an absolutely suicidal move by the AFL, and they know it. Ditto with Essendon. Ditto even with Carlton.

AAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!

That is the funniest thing I've heard in quite a while. There's arrogance, and there's arrogance, but that's just hilarious. You really think the competition would die without its precious Collingwood? Please...

 

[happy hawker]

Originally posted by CJH
FWIW, Richmond will be using a radically different jumper in next year's Wizard Wok. Pictures of this jumper haven't been made available yet but it is described as all yellow with a large Tiger's head on the front.

I take this as being part of a conditioning process and would expect us to use alternate guernsey's when we are away to Essendon, Carlton, Melbourne, West Coast and Adelaide.

For me, it is the colours that are more important than the configuration of those colours. This is where I probably differ to the 'traditionalists' who will accept us with wearing nothing but black with yellow sash and are even pushing for a return of the sash on the back.

Seeing the Tigers go around last year with the yellow and black vertical stripes possibly took the wind out of the 'traditional' argument . Here we were wearing a different guernsey that was nonetheless 'traditional'. What could a traditionalist say against it that wasn't hypocritical?

I hate the white shorts. Hate them with a passion. Our colours are Yellow and Black. Not Yellow, Black and White! If wearing an alternate jumper meant doing away with the white shorts then I am happy. Big win all around!

As a suggestion for a Richmond alternate jumper, I would favour:

• All Yellow jumper with a black 'claw' (similar to the old Wizard Wok design) which was extended to run from shoulder to hip. In reality, this would just be a stylised version of the sash.
• Black shorts (How naff would yellow look?)
• All black socks with yellow trim on the top.

The only jumper this would possibly clash with would be Hawthorn's. This is not an issue as we would wear our Black uniform in this case.

Such a good mindset from a supporter of a club which has such a backward view on this topic.

 

[Fire]

This is something that has me rather perplexed. When Sydney play the Hawks in Melbourne they are allowed to wear red shorts. However, when the Hawks play Sydney in Sydney, they have to wear white shorts.
How come the uniforms don't clash in Melbourne but they do in Sydney?

Are you serious mate? Are you telling me that you think that Sydneys uniform clashes with the hawks? When neither side wears white shorts?
Im sorry to hear about this. But can anyone justify losing the traditional aspect of football (IMO the jumpers are one of the greatest aspects of our game, no other sporting league seems to care about he integrity of their jumpers) because people like yourself cannot tell the differaince between red and white, and brown and gold.

Seeing the Tigers go around last year with the yellow and black vertical stripes possibly took the wind out of the 'traditional' argument . Here we were wearing a different guernsey that was nonetheless 'traditional'. What could a traditionalist say against it that wasn't hypocritical?

You are wrong there. The Hawthawn styled richmond jumper is not traditional. It is Historical. There is a major differaince.

1. All clubs must design a "clash guernsey" based on the non-dominant colour of their traditional strip - which is often white, (Collingwood's mainly white heritage guernsey is an ideal alternate strip, Essendon, Melbourne, Adelaide need to come up with something mainly red etc.) NO club need introduce foreign colours.

This is like what i suggested earlier. If you invert club colours then no one needs to clash.
But not only this, no one needs to move away form the traditional layout either. (i.e. sash, stripes).

2. The home team shall wear their "traditional strip" at all times
(during finals a coin toss shall determine which team wears the 'home strip')

How about letting hte home team wear their traditional strip, like htey do now. The did finish higer, afterall.

3. The away team shall wear whichever strip clashes least with the home team (including shorts colour!)

This would be the easy way out.

This is only my opinion, but i am mortally opposed to new and constaintly changing jumpers. A few peopl on here believe that it is a great way to raise revenue for the club. I recon it is just a sellout move that cheapens the game.
If your willing to pay $120 for a yellow saint kilda jumper that is not traditional and only used two or three times a season, then you are in the minority.
Look at Geelongs attempt a a 'clash' jumper. It is just my belief, and i make it without any hint of proof, that they deliberatly sabotaged ther own design. No one could be that stupid. No one could possibly think that by adding royal blue ot their jumper and keeping a large ammount of white from on their logo and shorts would make it easier to tell them appart form North Melbourne.
What they have now is a redundaint jumper. Those who bought one of these failed and overpriced garments now have the option to buy a completly new jumper next year.

I hate flashy jumpers. I think that jumpers like West Coasts (especially their old away one) try to look new aged by adding high detail. I think this cheapens the game beyond belief. I even hate North Melbournes away jumper, even though most people seem to love it. I hate having silver or grey on our shirts. There is no need, in my mind, for us to wear it.

But thats just my personal oppinion.

 

[parano1a]

Originally posted by CJH
I hate the white shorts. Hate them with a passion. Our colours are Yellow and Black. Not Yellow, Black and White!

Well if the home team is already wearing black shorts, your choices are to wear white shorts or yellow shorts.

 

[moomba]

To be honest I think that clubs objections to change strips are quite pathetic.

It is a good marketing opportunity for the whole league, and it will add revenue to football, without taking a single thing away from the competition.

I just can't imagine that any supporter would be so weak that they couldn't get just as much enjoyment out of seeing their team play in an alternate strip as they do in the original.

Moomba

 

[MarkT]

Originally posted by riccardo
Why Eddie and Co. point blank refuse to change, or accept past change,

Simple. He is an elected President and he isn't allowed to change. It's the members club and we are black and white stripes. End of story.

 

[hotpie]

Originally posted by MarkT
Simple. He is an elected President and he isn't allowed to change. It's the members club and we are black and white stripes. End of story.

It is entirely possible for Collingwood to have two away "clash" outfits, one dark, one light, that would still have black and white stripes, just by a slight design change. Check the Collingwood board for examples.

 

[MarkT]

Originally posted by moomba
I just can't imagine that any supporter would be so weak that they couldn't get just as much enjoyment out of seeing their team play in an alternate strip as they do in the original.

Tough uknowwhat.
It has nothing to do with weakeness but everything to do with preservining what we can in an age of throw away sentiomentality and holding to what our club means to us. If your stripes and colors mean little to you then that's your perogative. Ours mean enough to fight for and that's all thier is to it. It isn't a questuion of anyone not supporting Collingwood any more if we change. You have missed the whole point. Perhaps because you don't hold your strip dear you can't ever get it. What epitomises your club is up to your members. What epitomises ours is up to us. Black and White stripes is Collingwood.

 

[parano1a]

Possible Collingwood dark and light alternative strips:

 

[MarkT]

Originally posted by hotpie
It is entirely possible for Collingwood to have two away "clash" outfits, one dark, one light, that would still have black and white stripes, just by a slight design change. Check the Collingwood board for examples.

I don't think it is necessary but I suspect we will be forced by the AFL to have a clash strip. If we have to follow the irrelevant lead of overseas competitions and if we have to listen to the pony tails then I will accept black and white stripes depending on the design. If I'm not happy with it I'll bloody well tell the club how unhappy I am and if I have to make a fuss at the AGM I damn well will.

 

[CJH]

Originally posted by Moo://_Cow

???

I hope not! That one is flagged as being one of our training jumpers. As for use as a marketing tool in the Wizard Wok, it would be underwhelming!

 

[CJH]

Originally posted by parano1a
Well if the home team is already wearing black shorts, your choices are to wear white shorts or yellow shorts.

Not true! If we are predominantly in yellow then wearing black shorts won't make any difference to a clash. For example, if we were playing Essendon and they were in their black jumper with the red sash and black shorts (??? 95% Black ???) and we wore a Yellow jumper with black shorts (??? 30% Black ???) there should be no chance of any clash.

 

[marcuz]

Alternate strips are inevitable. Just as long as essendon don't wear those horrible red shorts that went out in the early eighties ill be happy.

 

[Crowz Gal]

I am not sure of the quote or the guy that was talking about Port going back to pink but,
I think you'll find that Collingwood go their colours from the Port Adelaide football club. Infact, William Crawley suggested that they use black and white and have the same logo as the South Australian inter-coloniel team, (Port Adelaide).

Otherwise the pies would have had colours of blue, white and scarlet.