Play Nice The 'all things Carlton' mega-thread

[Neku]

Your emotion speaks more volumes than my ‘hatred’.

For a team with so many ‘guns’ just look at your results. Smashed by Gold Coast and North, brushed aside by Richmond and Collingwood and this week? A red hot west coast. The biggest underperforming club of this century, a disgrace and your excuses just show you accept mediocrity cause most of those players listed wouldn’t get a game for Richmond’s VFL team.

Who is claiming that we have 'guns'? We are claiming that we have potential guns. Your hate for Carlton has been well documented, but I really suggest that if you want to have a legitimate discussion on where we are at at the moment, you do a bit of research rather than just spew out your saltiness.

 

[TeeJay Blue]

Your emotion speaks more volumes than my ‘hatred’.

For a team with so many ‘guns’ just look at your results. Smashed by Gold Coast and North, brushed aside by Richmond and Collingwood and this week? A red hot west coast. The biggest underperforming club of this century, a disgrace and your excuses just show you accept mediocrity cause most of those players listed wouldn’t get a game for Richmond’s VFL team.

Why on Earth did you quote guns? When did I ever say they were guns?
Like every other club, we have young men with the potential to take our club forward.

And it's funny because Richmond's VFL players wouldn't perform any better if they were in our side. Talk about overrating your mob.

On top of your prejudice, you see things so black and white.

 

[MISFITS]

The GWS guys aren’t the issue. The worst GWS move was the disastrous Jakesh deal which pre dated SOS. The ones since then have been smart and enabled us to get intended targets cheaper. Getting Marchbank and Pickett for picks 45 and 57 is bloody good value, and why we took Rhys Palmer for a year.

I struggle to see the point of the non GWS cast offs in general. Lobbe makes sense as ruck backup, but Mullett, Shaw and O’Shea seem totally pointless.

Mind you Garlett looks a bargain at pick 79

I don't see the recruitment at Carlton as the major issue.
I think leadership (or lack of)
Is lacking in the group.
Marc Murphy is a lead by example captain.
That's where it ends.
It used to be Simpson and Carazzo who addressed the group in a huddle with Murphy and Gibbs happy to be quiet and watch on.

Carlton need to do what GWS and even Melbourne did more recently and target older leaders for mentoring roles.

 

[Tzatziki_Man]

Who is claiming that we have 'guns'? We are claiming that we have potential guns. Your hate for Carlton has been well documented, but I really suggest that if you want to have a legitimate discussion on where we are at at the moment, you do a bit of research rather than just spew out your saltiness.

Saltiness would imply there’s something for me to envy or feel jealous about, I don’t have any envy or jealousless for Carlton. I make no secret about it, I thoroughly enjoy their demise and enjoy it half as much as a Richmond premiership (which is a lot).

I love readings game day threads on your board for melts, they are awesome.

 

[Bored_Pie]

When have they ever played good? Other than Weiterings first 2-3 games, nothing from all them and I understand you’re biased and that’s okay.

Fisher is one of the blues most improved this year. Cunningham off half back is involved in nearly everyone of their feed back clearances. Their young kids, the way your talking is that they aren't superstars so they flat out aren't good. No one is claiming that these kids are 'guns', they're just playing some good footy.

 

[hilly]

I’m curious as to why pressure never is focussed on Andy McKay.

He’s been the head of football operations since late 2011 and oversaw what has been a mostly dismal era for the Blues and yet I’ve never heard/read any criticism of him from the media, let alone questioning his position.

Is it because he sounds intelligent and is smart with media PR that journos are reluctant to criticise (a bit like with Neil Craig) or is he really doing some good work that will soon bear fruition?

He and SOS seemingly get no criticism whatsoever from the media.

 

[Hamingja]

Betts, Jacobs, Garlett, Touhy, Casboult, Robinson, Bell all developed by carlton with late picks all currently getting a game as best 22 members of the clubs they are at

Most of these are 6, 8, 10 years ago though which was the point. Since SOS took over its pretty much donuts outside r1 picks which is unacceptable during a rebuild phase.

 

[SkyhorseTamer]

There's been mistakes though no doubt, they seem to have a billion defenders on the list and I don't understand why a guy like McKay has played 2 games in 3 years. But Fisher, Curnow, Weitering, Marchbank, Garlett, Petreski-Seton are or will eventually be pretty good, there's no doubt he had the worst list in the league when he arrived so it's really strange to blame him for them sucking, I'd say he finally got the talent pipeline rolling.

The small army of GWS players he got over have mostly bombed and that's questionable yet even the current list has had huge injury problems + Gibbs left, they were never expected to be good in the first place of course they aren't doing well. Normally I roll my eyes when teams talk about average age but this team definitely has issues with light frames that aren't AFL ready.

The McKay stuff from other supporters bugs me. Year 1 as a tall forward had some injuries but year 1. Whatever. Year 2 no pre season. Built his fitness and got two games. Injured in the second game. Now. In year 3. Didn’t get much of a pre season at all. Just building his fitness and consistency. Then he’ll be in the seniors. Can’t come soon enough...

 

[JohnnyFontane90]

I thought ur last flag was 95?
Sorry i was wrong. Its a 23 year rebuild

14-15 we tried to be competitive with what we had even though there was no talent coming through. 16-present is rebuild.

During judd's time at carlton we played finals regularly

if last flag is the definition of a rebuild then you had a 37 year rebuild. I'd say we're well ahead of schedule.

 

[GreyCrow]

their reserves side lost by 200pts last week. their list is shocking. at least another 3 years away from finals. it’s time to look to the 2018 draft for carlton fans. the question is can you let SoS take the wheel in the superdraft? i don’t think you can

Carlton with Pick 1 and Lukosius sitting there , a Nick Reiwoldt clone. Does SOS grab him or Live Trade Pick 1 to Giants

I dont think SOS takes all the blame for the current list. Previous decisions have hampered him and Carlton. Injuries as well. I think if Purple knew what a sliding door was he would highlight Ratten out/Malthouse in as the perfect SD moment for Carlton

 

[GordonBlue]

In fairness only Tuohy was traded by SOS & he wanted elite money !!

I don't believe in that theory. SOS doesn't do a Malhouse simply tells players with currency that they will not be playing for Carlton again.

I think SOS saw Tuohy as the only player with currency to trade and so pretended that he wanted him by offering a studipely low contract. Tuohy wanted to stay but not so low and SOS knew it. So suddenly Tuohy is wanting a trade... i.e. a wanted player asking for a trade is worth a lot more than if we were pushing him out tje door

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[JAKLAUGHING]

He was called out on draft night by the Bombers you fool, so he would of been playing there if not at the Blues.

Only so that Carltoon would bite and draft sos jnr...

 

[MaddAdam]

It does astound me how many of the players they've let go have gone on to be very very good at other sides.

 

[Blue1980]

Most of these are 6, 8, 10 years ago though which was the point. Since SOS took over its pretty much donuts outside r1 picks which is unacceptable during a rebuild phase.

We only have 3 drafts to go on, how can you tell hes failed outside of the first round? In Williamson it looks like he definitely succeeded outside of the first round. Cuningham looks like a player and he was pick 19, as does Fisher who was pick 27.

I'm not a SOS fanboy, but some people are just making stuff up to suit a narrative.

 

[GreyCrow]

Only so that Carltoon would bite and draft sos jnr...

I actually think there is more truth to this

 

[Blue1980]

Only so that Carltoon would bite and draft sos jnr...

He would of been picked up by someone, whether he lasts more than 4 years in the system is another matter. Remember he was a pick in the 50s.

He wasn't bad at all on Sat night considering we only scored for goals and the inept midfield we had playing.

 

[Blue1980]

It does astound me how many of the players they've let go have gone on to be very very good at other sides.

Well many of them played in a side which won 15 games in 2011 and made finals 4 out of 5 years, something which seems to be airbrushed from peoples minds who seem to think we have been bottom 2 for 16 years.

 

[MaddAdam]

Well many of them played in a side which won 15 games in 2011 and made finals 4 out of 5 years, something which seems to be airbrushed from peoples minds who seem to think we have been bottom 2 for 16 years.

Made finals three out of five years, you only got in 2013 coz Essendon were turfed for doping.

(Sorry, "governance")

 

[SkyhorseTamer]

It does astound me how many of the players they've let go have gone on to be very very good at other sides.

Too many . Although I think the 42 gone since sos started only has 5 or 6playing elsewhere... using memory here - Gibbs, tuohy, Henderson, Bell, gowers and Holman.

 

[Sir_Loin]

Don’t know what all the hand wringing is about TBH. It’s year 3 into a complete list rebuild. Was always going to get worse before it gets better with Gibbs leaving and Murphy and Simpson coming towards the end of their careers.

This going to take 5-6 years before they’re competing at the top end.

 

[Johnny Karate]

Carlton’s list isn’t in terrible shape. They could do with some better leaders and should cool it with recruiting other clubs’ cast offs but there is a bit to work with.

 

[JohnnyFontane90]

It does astound me how many of the players they've let go have gone on to be very very good at other sides.

the fact that betts and garlett were let go for nothing given our need for small forwards right now is staggering.

mitch robinsinson is no star but would be handy to have in the midfield to help cripps.

henderson was an elite defender that we insisted on playing forward. no surprise he wanted to leave.

and maybe waite would have stayed if he hadn't seen the writing on the wall from all those players leaving.

laidler was another one that malthouse decided was no good only to go one and perform very well at a top 4 side.

if they had set off a bomb in ikon park it would't have done as much damage to the football club as what the list management under malthouse's tenure did.

 

[Milanista28]

If they're winless up until our game, Put everything on the blues to beat us.

 

[Buzzasto DaSilva]

Just about any tom dick or harry could complete our drafting in 2018, Take our pick from Lukosius, Rankine or King and then we have half a dozen f/s selections to take with our late 2nd round and beyond picks in Silvangi, Manton, Hickmott.

Nah, I still trust SOS to mess it up

"With pick #1, Carlton take- Ben Silvagni".

 

[BPikkers]

We only have 3 drafts to go on, how can you tell hes failed outside of the first round? In Williamson it looks like he definitely succeeded outside of the first round. Cuningham looks like a player and he was pick 19, as does Fisher who was pick 27.

I'm not a SOS fanboy, but some people are just making stuff up to suit a narrative.

I don’t thing he has necessarily failed in his draft recruiting. I think his major fault it focusing on high draft picks and not on bringing in talented leaders (and I don’t mean free agents and those that cost nothing). First 2 drafts it’s understadable, however, they should have used one of their high draft picks to target an established, contracted player. Free agents have a role to fill a need for a team contending (the hawks obviously have done it well). Coming from where the blues are, getting the equivalent of a Callan Ward, for instance would help the team immeasurably. Offering good money to get the payer interested, get him to buy-in to the plan and then hit the club with a first round pick offer.

Unfortunately it seems we haven’t seen any of this. Players need to develop during a game. Having leaders on the field showing them the way is probably the best way to do it.

I know it sounds silly, but maybe even a Jobe Watson could have been worth a thought.