Roast The Brownlow has no credibility left

[Lavender Bushranger]

My 2 cents, FWIW...

I've been saying that the Brownlow is overrated for years. Largely just a bit of entertainment for people that follow the game.

Umpires are probably the last people who's opinions on the best players should be taken seriously. They are watching for infringements, and we've been told they are so deeply focussed on that that they don't even know what the score is or how much time is left.

Why then, do we give their opinion on who the best player was any significance?

It's just another award.

Having said that, so is the Norm Smith medal, so is the AA Team. They're both given by media hacks that we spend all our time whinging about during the year here on BigFooty!

But we give their opinions significance for some reason too.

These things are all just opinions.

I laugh how a player is better the morning after they win a Brownlow than they were the day before. It's just so dumb.

So I don't think the Brownlow needs to change. Everyone getting all worked up over it just need to change their perspective on it and enjoy it for what it is. Or don't enjoy it for it is, either way. It's an award based on the umpire's perspective on who the best player in each game is. That's it.

But... I do find it particularly odd that there are 4 umpires and they somehow form a consensus on who was 3-2-1.

That bothers me.

Each umpire should give their own 3-2-1. I'd even get the goal umpires to give theirs too. It'd still be an umpire's award, but you'd get a broader perspective.

 

[Seeds]

Odd, they all seem to be incredible players?

No they dont.

Tom mitchell, priddis, cotchin, wines. Not incredible players. Add in cooney and woewodin from the decade before.

Irony with ablett at geelong is that he won it in probably his worst season from 2007-11.

 

[Cmarsh]

I'd really like to see the umpires sole focus be on applying the rules to the game they are officiating, rather than thinking and worrying about who is the first, second and third best player on the ground.

 

[HairyO]

I'd really like to see the umpires sole focus be on applying the rules to the game they are officiating, rather than thinking and worrying about who is the first, second and third best player on the ground.

Im not sure they pay attention to either. And I really dont think they worry.

 

[Dazzler9]

The problem isn't the Brownlow Medal and the fact that umpires award the votes. The problem is the inflated prestige the award is given.

The coaches award should carry more prestige. IMO

 

[Mitchell Madness]

Biggest issue is that its 4 umpires deciding 3 votes. 1 "alpha" umpire with a grudge or a favourite will influence the others.

The original system had ALL umpires award 3-2-1

 

[Thedeftouch]

You know when the AFL comes out and says an umpiring decision was clearly wrong, I wonder if they’ll do that for the Nas/Viney votes

 

[dean33]

Overhaul the system. Put a QR code up on the scoreboard with 5 mins to go and let all the fans in attendance vote on the best player. That'll fix it.

 

[HairyO]

You know when the AFL comes out and says an umpiring decision was clearly wrong, I wonder if they’ll do that for the Nas/Viney votes

A couple of stories on the AFL website detailing the times umpires gave 3 votes and coaches gave none, and the times when umpires gave 0 votes and the coaches gave 10.

That is just the blatant discrepancies. I bet there are plenty more where coaches gave 1 or 2 votes and the umpires 3, and coaches gave 8 or 9 votes and the umpires gave 0.

Also a mention of the NWM 2 votes and the laughter/mockery in the room.

Overhaul the system. Put a QR code up on the scoreboard with 5 mins to go and let all the fans in attendance vote on the best player. That'll fix it.

In an 8 goal loss Nick Daicos still manages to get 3 votes... if fans cant get the goal of the year and mark of the year right, they would be just plain terrible at Brownlow voting.

 

[QuietB]

Do we seriously have to do this every single year?

Rowell is a perfectly acceptable and worthy winner. He had a great year and is considered an elite player.

Daicos (favourite) came second, Bailey Smith

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3.8

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19.8

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9.6

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(2nd fav) came third and Dawson (highly favoured) came forth.

There is nothing particularly controversial about any of that.

If we all knew who won it before hand because it was picked by robots then there would be no point to it at all.

 

[Foxman98]

Do we seriously have to do this every single year?

Rowell is a perfectly acceptable and worthy winner. He had a great year and is considered an elite player.

Daicos (favourite) came second, Bailey Smith (2nd fav) came third and Dawson (highly favoured) came forth.

There is nothing particularly controversial about any of that.

If we all knew who won it before hand because it was picked by robots then there would be no point to it at all.

Rowell was a fine enough winner it's the same as Cripps last year winner itself isn't the issue its the absurd games getting 3 votes and ones like NWM not getting the 3 that is the issue and keeps getting worse and worse

Would you take Dustin Martins 2017 year or Rowells 2025 year because Rowell got more votes this year then Dusty in one of the best ever years for an individual

 

[dean33]

In an 8 goal loss Nick Daicos still manages to get 3 votes... if fans cant get the goal of the year and mark of the year right, they would be just plain terrible at Brownlow voting.

Actually you're right. What about a game day poll on bigfooty after each match?

 

[MF]

I saw Richard Goyder apologised to and commiserated with Daicos in the speech at the end. Did they do this because he came 2nd or do they just apologise any time that he in particular doesn't win the brownlow now?

 

[joe444]

Formula:

1. Played 20+ games
2. Top 10 club
3. 26+ disposals avg
and
4. Leads free kicks from the above list.


and in 2014: Matt Priddis*.

 

[HairyO]

Actually you're right. What about a game day poll on bigfooty after each match?

The scary thing is, an overall vote by BF people probably would be close to accurate. Especially if there was the ability to vote out 1 person each round for blatant fanboying.

The Yabby Medal (our Hawks board B&F) is generally pretty close to the actual Hawks B&F. So there is certainly the ability to be accurate if taken seriously.

I saw Richard Goyder apologised to and commiserated with Daicos in the speech at the end. Did they do this because he came 2nd or do they just apologise to him any time that he in particular doesn't win the brownlow now?

Dillon and all 40 umpires will be visiting him later today to apologise.

 

[QuietB]

Rowell was a fine enough winner it's the same as Cripps last year winner itself isn't the issue its the absurd games getting 3 votes and ones like NWM not getting the 3 that is the issue and keeps getting worse and worse

Would you take Dustin Martins 2017 year or Rowells 2025 year because Rowell got more votes this year then Dusty in one of the best ever years for an individual

Dusty had 3,2,1 available the same as Rowell. Dusty's games might have been better - but there were not more votes available.

 

[Foxman98]

Dusty had 3,2,1 available the same as Rowell. Dusty's games might have been better - but there were not more votes available.

Rowell got 3 votes for 16 and 18 disposal games with out huge clearance numbers

This is the big issue and has been for the last 4-5 years and wouldn't surprise me if there are some more betting scandals coming out in a few years time like 2021

 

[QuietB]

Rowell got 3 votes for 16 and 18 disposal games with out huge clearance numbers

This is the big issue and has been for the last 4-5 years and wouldn't surprise me if there are some more betting scandals coming out in a few years time like 2021

Didn't he have 17 tackles in one of those games? Umpires might have seen that

Football is not just about offence.

 

[StillAtLarge]

I saw Richard Goyder apologised to and commiserated with Daicos in the speech at the end. Did they do this because he came 2nd or do they just apologise any time that he in particular doesn't win the brownlow now?

This is me whenever that parasite gets up to make a speech. What a freeloading w***er

 

[Gavin Excell]

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How?

Vineys tackles?

 

[Gavin Excell]

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This is me whenever that parasite gets up to make a speech. What a freeloading w***er

When I was watching Goyder got the distinct impression he's one of those people you see in senior management who is completely oblivious to the fact everyone considers him an arseh*le

 

[Monco Matt]

We'll give the cheating corrupt maggot scumpires the benefit of the doubt this time. However, if they find someone to award 40 votes next year to knock off Nick again, well.....me is thinking a conspiracy!

 

[MF]

Didn't he have 17 tackles in one of those games? Umpires might have seen that

Football is not just about offence.

Yeah I feel like we should be celebrating the guys who do it both ways instead of just the ones who rack up posessions and get to do the flashy stuff because their team mates cover for them defensively.

 

[Gavin Excell]

Do we seriously have to do this every single year?

Rowell is a perfectly acceptable and worthy winner. He had a great year and is considered an elite player.

Daicos (favourite) came second, Bailey Smith (2nd fav) came third and Dawson (highly favoured) came forth.

There is nothing particularly controversial about any of that.

If we all knew who won it before hand because it was picked by robots then there would be no point to it at all.

Yes Rowell had an excellent year and was pivotal in seeing his club make its first ever finals game
Worthy winner

 

[Gavin Excell]

We'll give the cheating corrupt maggot scumpires the benefit of the doubt this time. However, if they find someone to award 40 votes next year to knock off Nick again, well.....me is thinking a conspiracy!

Daicos had a good year but wasn't as brilliant as the previous in my opinion