Opinion The 'Carlton related stuff that doesn't need it's own thread' thread Part 2

[Jabba73]

When we needed players across all lines he could have total control. But after 5 year the coaching staff need to be involved in identifying what is missing in the side with how they want the team to play.

While I generally like what SOS did he did make some terrible decisions with rookie picks/Recycled players

Yet rookie picks like Betts and Casboult are about all we have left from the previous regime.

 

[Aphrodite]

Yeah but I got hammered by it from Aphrodite .... I'm wog .... but she had a cheap shot.

How so and what cheap shot.

Just because I disagreed with your post.

 

[Aphrodite]

Hahahaha mate I feel for ya.
You wanna talk wog? I’m an Italian that looks like a Turk and was born in Preston in 1978 I look like the “every wog” I’ve been called every derogatory term for every wog race there is in my lifetime. And I’m cool with it. Aph needs to chill that’ll probably get me a red card

Chill for what.

I haven't done anything.

 

[Kruezing]

 

[Gethelred]

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You've come a long way, Daisy.

 

[Jimmyonesix]

Inexperienced midfield. As a junior your taught to find the pill not necessarily defend space and delay the ball. It’s gonna take time. It’s also why players like Newnes won’t get dropped. They know where to position themselves.

He should watch Duncan and menangola they guard space run from one end to the other take intercept marks kick goals and get 20 plus possesions a week from the wing -- Newnes has had enough years at Afl level he should be giving as more drive and coverage -- not saying we have someone better but we need it ..

 

[myblueroan]

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Yep. Marchy.

 

[Blue__Balls]

He should watch Duncan and menangola they guard space run from one end to the other take intercept marks kick goals and get 20 plus possesions a week from the wing -- Newnes has had enough years at Afl level he should be giving as more drive and coverage -- not saying we have someone better but we need it ..

Perhaps.

Newnes is getting forward and kicking goals, and there have been a number of times he's gotten back in the hole and taken defensive intercepts at critical times in close games. So to me, the kicker here is the disposal count. I don't think that's necessarily about how much ground he's covering, but more so how we're looking to move the ball. Similarly to Ratten's seeming frustration that his players aren't getting the ball to Brad Hill enough.

I think we've got two "modes" of ball movement - aggressive play through the corridor, and conservative play down the line. The former doesn't get the ball into the hands of the winger, and the latter is too often characterised by long kicks to a contest...which also doesn't help the winger. Not often you see us get out the far side to set up some run and carry or overlap handballs.

 

[Jimmyonesix]

Perhaps.

Newnes is getting forward and kicking goals, and there have been a number of times he's gotten back in the hole and taken defensive intercepts at critical times in close games. So to me, the kicker here is the disposal count. I don't think that's necessarily about how much ground he's covering, but more so how we're looking to move the ball. Similarly to Ratten's seeming frustration that his players aren't getting the ball to Brad Hill enough.

I think we've got two "modes" of ball movement - aggressive play through the corridor, and conservative play down the line. The former doesn't get the ball into the hands of the winger, and the latter is too often characterised by long kicks to a contest...which also doesn't help the winger. Not often you see us get out the far side to set up some run and carry or overlap handballs.

Walsh is a second year player playing an unfamiliar position on a wing -- he still getting possesions and getting forward -- for me newnes doesn't demand the ball -- he had same problem St Kilda . But there are players worse Than him he just seems constantly average or below-- Yes the opposition wingers are scoring against us Also I don't know if that's Walsh Murphy newnes or a combination ..Or our structure ..

 

[Blue__Balls]

Walsh is a second year player playing an unfamiliar position on a wing -- he still getting possesions and getting forward -- for me newnes doesn't demand the ball -- he had same problem St Kilda . But there are players worse Than him he just seems constantly average or below-- Yes the opposition wingers are scoring against us Also I don't know if that's Walsh Murphy newnes or a combination ..Or our structure ..

Walsh outperformed the majority of the competition last year, in his first season. I'm not sure the comparison is really fair.

I'm not advocating for Newnes in the long term, I think LOB needs to make that spot his own next year - but it's hard to swap them out given all of LOBs match time this season has been in games without traditional wings. With that in mind, I'm fine with Newnes continuing to play his supporting role for the remainder of the year provided he's doing what the coaches expect of him. I'd also be fine with dropping him for a run of games should LOB's form make that impossible to ignore, or should we want to play around with structures by bringing in guys like Marchy or JSOS when they're available.

 

[Macca43]

Walsh outperformed the majority of the competition last year, in his first season. I'm not sure the comparison is really fair.

I'm not advocating for Newnes in the long term, I think LOB needs to make that spot his own next year - but it's hard to swap them out given all of LOBs match time this season has been in games without traditional wings. With that in mind, I'm fine with Newnes continuing to play his supporting role for the remainder of the year provided he's doing what the coaches expect of him. I'd also be fine with dropping him for a run of games should LOB's form make that impossible to ignore, or should we want to play around with structures by bringing in guys like Marchy or JSOS when they're available.

That begs the question how do we expect LOB to get better, or push for selection, if all his games have been without traditional wings (and the numbers on the field seems to be dropping by the week).

We are rapidly approaching the point at which we need to coach more for the future.

 

[Blue__Balls]

That begs the question how do we expect LOB to get better, or push for selection, if all his games have been without traditional wings (and the numbers on the field seems to be dropping by the week).

We are rapidly approaching the point at which we need to coach more for the future.

It's a real pickle, for sure.

LOB either needs to play seniors, or we just concede that 2021 is his year instead.

It's not necessarily a bad thing - just seeing the physical change in Dow over the last couple of months gives me great faith that Russell's "tailored to the player" approach is paying dividends. So for LOB, maybe the extra time afforded allows us to get him physically ready to improve his tackling, his ability to keep his feet through tackles, and his ability to hold position in an aerial contest, without killing his endurance?

 

[Stamos]

I appreciate the strategy of backing the veterans but I think he's maybe he does it too much.

It worked last year for sure, but this year it's being exposed a little bit. The lack of pace is starting to hurt.

Not really. Last year he brought LOB in for the first game he coached. The main difference was moving Ed and Murphy back inside, but also Cripps missed 2 of those first 4 games.

He didn't really select older players at the expense of younger players last year (though given our injuries, there wasn't a heap of choice around selection).

 

[blueboy25]

Not a massive deal but I have been disappointed the club have not sent any merchandise to Perth to sell at Optus Stadium over the last few weeks.

I know we couldn't get any staff over from Melbourne into WA to man the merchandise stand but I am sure they could have hired 3-4 people to help out. In previous years the merchandise stand is always really busy over here and to have 3 cracks at it would have made a few dollars for the club.

 

[HARKER]

Pretty nothing article, reads like a fanboy. Walsh is a gun but the hyperbole in this article with minimal actual evidence is pretty poor writing. Smith showed up the analysis of Walsh's peers immediately with his 37 disposal game.

1. Dogs played Adelaide
2. Dogs had a dry game.
3. Dogs had 373 possessions. Carlton 279 - Pro rata would have Walsh on 32 possessions.

It doesn't quite work that way ad it doesn't really matter regardless, but there are factors involved.

 

[SkyhorseTamer]

1. Dogs played Adelaide
2. Dogs had a dry game.
3. Dogs had 373 possessions. Carlton 279 - Pro rata would have Walsh on 32 possessions.

It doesn't quite work that way ad it doesn't really matter regardless, but there are factors involved.

Doesn't change what I said and it especially doesn't change the fact it was a shallow article that didn't really say or prove anything except that the authors a fan boy.

 

[gandaal]

How each club will fare in final rounds - and who could make the eight

After 20 straight days of football, we take a look at who could make the eight and what the final rounds hold for each team.

www.theage.com.au

McClure has us finishing 8th.

 

[Michael Jezz]

Age newspaper reckons Carlton will make finals this year. Looking at our draw I can see why they make this call, but, obviously it depends on our players maturing a bit and winning games they should win. We have shown we have the ability to get off to good starts of late, but we let sides back in. And we have shown we can win lose games. It has been a big year of learning for the players, are they ready to now put that into practice and start winning consecutive games? Are the players ready to grow up in 2020?

We struggle to win 3 in a row. It is as if we get satisfied and demotivate after a win-lovely to beat suns and pies

 

[Stamos]

How each club will fare in final rounds - and who could make the eight

After 20 straight days of football, we take a look at who could make the eight and what the final rounds hold for each team.

www.theage.com.au

McClure has us finishing 8th.

With 9 wins on percentage...

 

[OldBlueFan]

Doesn't change what I said and it especially doesn't change the fact it was a shallow article that didn't really say or prove anything except that the authors a fan boy.

I think any truly objective observer would agree that he's easily been the most consistent of the group since his debut. They would also agree that he has an appetite for work (as proven by the distance covered) and the contest (as proven by his effort to mark in front of a stampeding Charlie Dixon and Liam Jones) that is second to none. And, as the author pointed out, he's recently added goal kicking back into his repertoire.

Interestingly, you talk about the article being shallow, and yet present a single game by Bailey Smith - against a team the On The Couch crew described as "witches hats" - as your evidence to the contrary.

Despite your outlier example, and the fact that the Dogs' game style is conducive to their midfielders racking up inflated stats, this would seem to suggest that it's very difficult to split Sam and Bailey: https://www.footywire.com/afl/footy...d2=8&type=A&pid1=6442&pid2=6618&fid1=S&fid2=S

Rozee and Rankine, while undoubtedly talented, have been nowhere near Sam in total output. Based on this year, I'd take Butters over Rozee. They, and the Kings are in the discussion on potential. And most of the pundits have dropped Lukosius out of the discussion altogether. Personally, I think it's arguable that he's been more accomplished in his position than all the others, but like Sam, he's not "flash" so he mustn't be as good.

Given Sam's work rate, who knows where he'll be in terms of development, ability and impact on games by the time the others have reached their full potential.

The article makes a point that needs to be made, given the media's obsession with shiny things and the latest fad.

 

[SkyhorseTamer]

I think any truly objective observer would agree that he's easily been the most consistent of the group since his debut. They would also agree that he has an appetite for work (as proven by the distance covered) and the contest (as proven by his effort to mark in front of a stampeding Charlie Dixon and Liam Jones) that is second to none. And, as the author pointed out, he's recently added goal kicking back into his repertoire.

Interestingly, you talk about the article being shallow, and yet present a single game by Bailey Smith - against a team the On The Couch crew described as "witches hats" - as your evidence to the contrary.

Despite your outlier example, and the fact that the Dogs' game style is conducive to their midfielders racking up inflated stats, this would seem to suggest that it's very difficult to split Sam and Bailey: https://www.footywire.com/afl/footy...d2=8&type=A&pid1=6442&pid2=6618&fid1=S&fid2=S

Rozee and Rankine, while undoubtedly talented, have been nowhere near Sam in total output. Based on this year, I'd take Butters over Rozee. They, and the Kings are in the discussion on potential. And most of the pundits have dropped Lukosius out of the discussion altogether. Personally, I think it's arguable that he's been more accomplished in his position than all the others, but like Sam, he's not "flash" so he mustn't be as good.

Given Sam's work rate, who knows where he'll be in terms of development, ability and impact on games by the time the others have reached their full potential.

The article makes a point that needs to be made, given the media's obsession with shiny things and the latest fad.

Nothing I've said is contrary to yhe article. Or doubting Sam. I agree he's a young freak. The article getting praise just annoys me. Its a nothing article with minimal analysis, and I mean minimal, and nothing more. We write more in depth stuff daily without being paid professionals.

 

[thylacine60]

Pretty nothing article, reads like a fanboy. Walsh is a gun but the hyperbole in this article with minimal actual evidence is pretty poor writing. Smith showed up the analysis of Walsh's peers immediately with his 37 disposal game.

try here
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ur welcome

 

[OldBlueFan]

Nothing I've said is contrary to yhe article. Or doubting Sam. I agree he's a young freak. The article getting praise just annoys me. Its a nothing article with minimal analysis, and I mean minimal, and nothing more. We write more in depth stuff daily without being paid professionals.

And yet it was presented with substantially more substance than the "sound-bite" opinions that I think it was aimed at. Did you hear Garry Lyon's justification for his re-ranking of that draft? No? That would be because there wasn't any.

 

[Jabba73]

try here
www.reallyintensivearticleaboutasuperficialballsport.com.au
ur welcome

Link is broken

 

[myblueroan]

We write more in depth stuff daily without being paid professionals.

I don't.