Opinion The 'Carlton related stuff that doesn't need it's own thread' thread Part 2

[Original Moody Blue]

No one is saying sack Teague - but as a team, coaching and in particualr development staff always need to be an area of continual investment if a Club wishes to have sustainable success and relevancy.

You might not be saying it, but the rumblings are occurring behind the scenes. They promised to stick it out with BB, but after a few heavy losses and members flooding the switchboard with calls, they cut him.

The thing that worries me is the way that many just chucked the towel in so early without effort. I understand Teague's obsession with a fully functioning forward line, but unless we get the ball out of the middle on a regular basis, it does not matter who we have up forward.

 

[Original Moody Blue]

B L U E - S O S

Did somebody say, bring back SOS?




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I'll show myself out.

There is a superhero character on that brilliant (now defunct show) South Park, called Captain Hindsight. That name and title should now be passed onto David King.

 

[Bluechip66]

King makes some interesting points, many of which would seem valid

What does confuse me, as with much of the media, 2 games ago when the Dockers played us, he labelled their effort poor despite a similar number of injuries to us

2 week later he gives them a glowing endorsement

Media have always been in the now

What annoyed me his opinion was that he didn’t mention CC has been out for nearly 2 years with a knee injury ( hurts the spine), kemp had an ACL, (hard to develop with that injury), COVID hit & hurt us (Re stocker).
but I agree with his view on poor development of others.
hopefully power can change things up

 

[95blues]

What annoyed me his opinion was that he didn’t mention CC has been out for nearly 2 years with a knee injury ( hurts the spine), kemp had an ACL, (hard to develop with that injury), COVID hit & hurt us (Re stocker).
but I agree with his view on poor development of others.
hopefully power can change things up

He mentioned injuries, I don't think he needs to drill down further than that. Kemp is our own fault, he fell to us because of his injuries, I'm fairly sure Charlie had injury concerns coming out of the draft too. And Covid hit everybody.

I think everything he said was spot on.

I'm surprised he didn't go in harder. If I was him and i hated Carlton I would have thrown Charlie & Kemp in the bad draft choices (due to existing injury concerns) box with LOB, Dow, SPS etc.

 

[Kleenex Crew]

We’re still reeling from the performance. Some pretty frank discussions in this episode.

R5: Pretenders Not Contenders

 

[Arr0w]

You might not be saying it, but the rumblings are occurring behind the scenes. They promised to stick it out with BB, but after a few heavy losses and members flooding the switchboard with calls, they cut him.

The thing that worries me is the way that many just chucked the towel in so early without effort. I understand Teague's obsession with a fully functioning forward line, but unless we get the ball out of the middle on a regular basis, it does not matter who we have up forward.

Currently there are no rumblings at all to remove Teague

 

[Aphrodite]

You might not be saying it, but the rumblings are occurring behind the scenes. They promised to stick it out with BB, but after a few heavy losses and members flooding the switchboard with calls, they cut him.

The thing that worries me is the way that many just chucked the towel in so early without effort. I understand Teague's obsession with a fully functioning forward line, but unless we get the ball out of the middle on a regular basis, it does not matter who we have up forward.

What rumblings Moody?

 

[Bluechip66]

He mentioned injuries, I don't think he needs to drill down further than that. Kemp is our own fault, he fell to us because of his injuries, I'm fairly sure Charlie had injury concerns coming out of the draft too. And Covid hit everybody.

I think everything he said was spot on.

I'm surprised he didn't go in harder. If I was him and i hated Carlton I would have thrown Charlie & Kemp in the bad draft choices (due to existing injury concerns) box with LOB, Dow, SPS etc.

i was going off the show last night..”first crack”...not the article which I read later. He didn’t mention injuries then.
CC’s only concern was his drink driving before the draft.

 

[mediumsizered]

What rumblings Moody?

The forerunner to a bowel movement, perhaps.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

He mentioned injuries, I don't think he needs to drill down further than that. Kemp is our own fault, he fell to us because of his injuries, I'm fairly sure Charlie had injury concerns coming out of the draft too. And Covid hit everybody.

I think everything he said was spot on.

I'm surprised he didn't go in harder. If I was him and i hated Carlton I would have thrown Charlie & Kemp in the bad draft choices (due to existing injury concerns) box with LOB, Dow, SPS etc.

There is no fault or discussion to be had re Kemp. He is not even close to being a draft pick failure.

Selwood fell to Geelong because he was injured too. Can't put that on the club. Calculated risk.

 

[Kruezing]

King makes some interesting points, many of which would seem valid

What does confuse me, as with much of the media, 2 games ago when the Dockers played us, he labelled their effort poor despite a similar number of injuries to us

2 week later he gives them a glowing endorsement

Media have always been in the now

If you listen to King weekly you’ll find he changes his opinion weekly ...

 

[Gethelred]

Currently there are no rumblings at all to remove Teague

You know this, or you think this?

 

[95blues]

There is no fault or discussion to be had re Kemp. He is not even close to being a draft pick failure.

Selwood fell to Geelong because he was injured too. Can't put that on the club. Calculated risk.

I guess that's that then.

Whether it's a calculated risk or not... the risk taker is still responsible.

If Kemp doesn't reach his potential it's an absolute failure. He dropped in the draft for one reason - injuries, so several other teams "calculated" that the risk wasn't worth it.

 

[95blues]

i was going off the show last night..”first crack”...not the article which I read later. He didn’t mention injuries then.
CC’s only concern was his drink driving before the draft.

Understood.

FYI though - Charlie had knee concerns during under 18s. The Alcoholic stuff added to it.

 

[gab213]

There was an active push in 1976 to change the club song to a more upbeat one, like the Chelsea FC song. Whilst it has a better beat, not sure it is a song you can sing after a game as a group...It could be used as a marketing tool.

The Carlton version of the song was released on a 45rpm record, I still have it somewhere. It was actually sung by the players of the day.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

I guess that's that then.

Whether it's a calculated risk or not... the risk taker is still responsible.

If Kemp doesn't reach his potential it's an absolute failure. He dropped in the draft for one reason - injuries, so several other teams "calculated" that the risk wasn't worth it.

It works both ways. 6 teams calculated that Selwood wasn't worth the risk and therefore that's a draft failure for them.

It's just way too early to even be contemplating Kemp as a failure. He hasn't even turned 20 yet.

 

[Stamos]

I guess that's that then.

Whether it's a calculated risk or not... the risk taker is still responsible.

If Kemp doesn't reach his potential it's an absolute failure. He dropped in the draft for one reason - injuries, so several other teams "calculated" that the risk wasn't worth it.

He had one injury pre-draft. And he's had one different injury since he's come to the club. Can hardly say it's a failure, especially when we picked up another first round pick to go with him, after the players we wanted went before him.

 

[95blues]

It works both ways. 6 teams calculated that Selwood wasn't worth the risk and therefore that's a draft failure for them.

It's just way too early to even be contemplating Kemp as a failure. He hasn't even turned 20 yet.

That's the nature of risk though... sometimes it works out, sometimes it doesn't. If he wins a brownlow we'll be raving about the foresight.. and the opposite if he can't get healthy.

Yes agree it's too early, but like I said, I was speaking for David King.

Some teams can afford the risk, I don't think a rebuilding team with a development record like ours can afford it. He won't play senior football this season, so that's 2yrs of development out the window.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

Understood.

FYI though - Charlie had knee concerns during under 18s. The Alcoholic stuff added to it.

Alcoholic stuff?

Was there more than the one off drink driving incident?

 

[95blues]

He had one injury pre-draft. And he's had one different injury since he's come to the club. Can hardly say it's a failure, especially when we picked up another first round pick to go with him, after the players we wanted went before him.

You say that like it was a broken finger... it was an ACL.

 

[95blues]

Alcoholic stuff?

Was there more than the one off drink driving incident?

I typed "Alcohol" phone did the rest. I promise!

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

That's the nature of risk though... sometimes it works out, sometimes it doesn't. If he wins a brownlow we'll be raving about the foresight.. and the opposite if he can't get healthy.

Yes agree it's too early, but like I said, I was speaking for David King.

Some teams can afford the risk, I don't think a rebuilding team with a development record like ours can afford it. He won't play senior football this season, so that's 2yrs of development out the window.

Well we never head into a draft with the mindset that our development is poor.

One of the shows said they wonder who motivates Sam Walsh and surmised regrettably that he has to motivate himself. Maybe Kemp has a similar mindset and is a self starter? Maybe we selected him based on attitude as much as his talent.

King acknowledged Kemp is injured. I don't think be was implying he was a fail at all so we can't assume he thinks that.

 

[Gavstar]

It works both ways. 6 teams calculated that Selwood wasn't worth the risk and therefore that's a draft failure for them.

It's just way too early to even be contemplating Kemp as a failure. He hasn't even turned 20 yet.

While its way too early re:Kemp SOS had a weakness in taking injury prone players in the hope they'd come good.

- Marchbank
- Pickett
- McGovern
- Martin
- Garrett
- Setterfield

While I understand some of these were moonshots who cost peanuts I would hestitate to see any of these as a success.

I would not have drafted Kemp after an ACL.

 

[AB_Blue]

Murphy into the midfield?

90% spot on [emoji38]


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[Arr0w]

You know this, or you think this?

Know