The Death Penalty

[Hawk88]

Nope. Totally against it.

Yes science has made solving certain crimes easier and has probably prevented some terrible mistakes made in the past. But mistakes are still possible.

Regardless that's not my main reason for being against it anyway. To me killing some scumbag in retaliation for things they did is far too much of an easy way out. If I was in their situation, I'd take the easy way out over being locked up in a cell for life with no possibility of release.

I'd much rather Australia start being far tougher on criminals who commit despicable crimes. None of this possibility of release garbage. If you're a violent killer why do you deserve to enjoy freedom again? Same goes for rapists and paedophiles.

Lock them in a cell, give them the basics and let them rot in there until they die.

I see your point however would the possibility of being killed if caught lower these crime rates?

I.e if you knew you were gonna die if you got caught would it stop them happening?? I don't know the answer to this but surely the death penalty is not just a punishment but could also be a preemptive measure??

 

[PP34]

I see your point however would the possibility of being killed if caught lower these crime rates?

I.e if you knew you were gonna die if you got caught would it stop them happening?? I don't know the answer to this but surely the death penalty is not just a punishment but could also be a preemptive measure??

Pretty sure it’s been proven that it doesn’t.

 

[Shell]

It would appear that those who are advocating the violent death of people convicted of crimes are, in themselves, violent people. This is not a thing I think they should be advertising, Though, maybe it's better that we know, so we can avoid them. Vile, mindless people.

 

[sprockets]

Is it too late to hang Lindy Chamberlain? She was convicted on the basis of irrefutable scientific evidence.

Police have never been known to lie in court to obtain a conviction.

By advocating taking Bayley's life are we saying that his life is the exact equal, in all respects, of that of Jill Meagher, and worth exactly the same? Not sure her husband would agree with that proposition.

It would appear that those who are advocating the violent death of people convicted of crimes are, in themselves, violent people. This is not a thing I think they should be advertising, Though, maybe it's better that we know, so we can avoid them. Vile, mindless people.

You're assuming taking a life in a controlled environment is violent. It's not. Dogs are put to sleep humanely, not violently. People wouldn't do it if it wasn't humane.

There are cases that are of no doubt, not just reasonable doubt. It's a fact that Bayley committed multiple horrific crimes, that Martin Bryant committed the Port Arthur massacre and that Ivan Milat is a serial killer. There was really no need for 'expert' opinion in any of these cases. These are the kind of people that deserve the death penalty.

 

[sprockets]

Pretty sure it’s been proven that it doesn’t.

Give us a source please.

 

[Shane Sheridan]

Despite them being locked up for the rest of their lives every bit of pleasure they ever have again, whether enjoying a sip of coffee or them jacking off while they remember their crime, it's one bit of pleasure too many, and one bit of pleasure they've denied their victims ever experiencing. Really couldn't give a shit if the likes of William Mitchell, Catherine Birnie or the Cobby murderers were executed violently, they certainly didn't care much about their victims dying violently.

 

[TJASTA]

I see your point however would the possibility of being killed if caught lower these crime rates?

I.e if you knew you were gonna die if you got caught would it stop them happening?? I don't know the answer to this but surely the death penalty is not just a punishment but could also be a preemptive measure??

Nope. In fact death penalty state in American have had higher murder rates since at least 1990.

 

[TJASTA]

Give us a source please.

Here is mine
https://deathpenaltyinfo.org/deterr...alty-have-had-consistently-lower-murder-rates

 

[Hawk88]

Here is mine
https://deathpenaltyinfo.org/deterr...alty-have-had-consistently-lower-murder-rates

Interesting reading. It doesn't take into account a lot of things in those states however like socioeconomic standards in those states and overall crime rates. It looks be a lot of the southern states which have the death penalty which i believe are the states with the higher overall violent crime rate (rape,murder etc)

Plus I am not sure the USA is the best example of the death penalty given their love of violence and guns. What works/doesn't work there does not translate to what would work here imo

Interesting facts nonetheless

 

[TJASTA]

Interesting reading. It doesn't take into account a lot of things in those states however like socioeconomic standards in those states and overall crime rates. It looks be a lot of the southern states which have the death penalty which i believe are the states with the higher overall violent crime rate (rape,murder etc)

Plus I am not sure the USA is the best example of the death penalty given their love of violence and guns. What works/doesn't work there does not translate to what would work here imo

Interesting facts nonetheless

What would be the best example of the death penalty?

 

[Hawk88]

What would be the best example of the death penalty?

I don't think there is a perfect example of it to be honest as most of the Western countries similar to Australia don't use capital punishment, closest would be Japan, which I guess says a lot about why we shouldn't have it

Still think the worst crime deserve death penalty and should be reserved for when the evidence is irrefutable such as that idiot Garagoulas or that man who murdered the Israeli girl in Melbourne

 

[TJASTA]

I don't think there is a perfect example of it to be honest as most of the Western countries similar to Australia don't use capital punishment, closest would be Japan, which I guess says a lot about why we shouldn't have it

Still think the worst crime deserve death penalty and should be reserved for when the evidence is irrefutable such as that idiot Garagoulas or that man who murdered the Israeli girl in Melbourne

I would rather him rot in a cell for the rest of his life thb.

 

[Gough]

I would rather him rot in a cell for the rest of his life thb.

Death penalty is the easy way out. Gargasoulous might spend the next fifty years thinking about what he did. Imagine fifty years of never having a drink or a smoke whenever you want, never going outside when you want, your entire life controlled by someone else. I couldn't imagine anything worse.

 

[Hawk88]

I would rather him rot in a cell for the rest of his life thb.

I just worry about them being granted bail later in life

If our bail policies are a lot stricter I would feel way more comfortable - This is a separate issue however

 

[skilts]

You're assuming taking a life in a controlled environment is violent. It's not. Dogs are put to sleep humanely, not violently. People wouldn't do it if it wasn't humane.

There are cases that are of no doubt, not just reasonable doubt. It's a fact that Bayley committed multiple horrific crimes, that Martin Bryant committed the Port Arthur massacre and that Ivan Milat is a serial killer. There was really no need for 'expert' opinion in any of these cases. These are the kind of people that deserve the death penalty.

You're assuming that there is such a thing as a controlled environment. There is not, especially when the death penalty is administered. From some victims taking 20 minutes to die from being poisoned, because those responsible make a mess of the strength of the drugs used, to a a litany of cases of **** ups with electrocuting of victims, and their bodies smoking as they fried. Many victims of hanging ended up being slowly strangled, rather than having their necks broken. If there are humans involved, there is no such thing as a controlled environment.

You should read the reactions of the witnesses who watched the murder of Ronald Ryan. They are readily available to even the barely literate. There is a reason this barbarity has never occurred since. Our society doesn't want to be known as one which kills other people in a pre-meditated, and cold-blooded fashion. That you are a person who is prepared to have such an act committed by the state on your behalf saddens me deeply. I would have thought you would be above such base instincts.

The types of people who deserve the death penalty are those who want the state to do their dirty work for them, because they feel they have to be in some way involved. They can't abide the flailing (and accurate) feeling of impotence which destroys their misplaced sense of importance.

 

[skilts]

I just worry about them being granted bail later in life

If our bail policies are a lot stricter I would feel way more comfortable - This is a separate issue however

Prisoners who have been convicted are ineligible for bail, unless their case if heard in the Magistrate's Court, where only minor cases are heard. And even then there is only a possibility it might be granted if they choose to appeal their conviction or sentence

 

[Procrastinator35]

Death penalty is the easy way out. Gargasoulous might spend the next fifty years thinking about what he did. Imagine fifty years of never having a drink or a smoke whenever you want, never going outside when you want, your entire life controlled by someone else. I couldn't imagine anything worse.

He still has the freedom to breath, to think & to imagine.....Blessings no longer bestowed upon his pre-meditated victims.

 

[sprockets]

You're assuming that there is such a thing as a controlled environment. There is not, especially when the death penalty is administered. From some victims taking 20 minutes to die from being poisoned, because those responsible make a mess of the strength of the drugs used, to a a litany of cases of **** ups with electrocuting of victims, and their bodies smoking as they fried. Many victims of hanging ended up being slowly strangled, rather than having their necks broken. If there are humans involved, there is no such thing as a controlled environment.

You should read the reactions of the witnesses who watched the murder of Ronald Ryan. They are readily available to even the barely literate. There is a reason this barbarity has never occurred since. Our society doesn't want to be known as one which kills other people in a pre-meditated, and cold-blooded fashion. That you are a person who is prepared to have such an act committed by the state on your behalf saddens me deeply. I would have thought you would be above such base instincts.

The types of people who deserve the death penalty are those who want the state to do their dirty work for them, because they feel they have to be in some way involved. They can't abide the flailing (and accurate) feeling of impotence which destroys their misplaced sense of importance.

*That's two eye rolls I've handed out in one day, my new record.

 

[Hawk Dork]

He still has the freedom to breath, to think & to imagine.....Blessings no longer bestowed upon his pre-meditated victims.

Smoking shards and going GTA probably wasnt premeditated ???
He can think and imagine what a total dickhead he was for many decades,problem with the way his brain seems to work is he can probably justify it and forgive himself.

There should be some way to generate a return to the victims from his incarceration,it wont bring them back but its better than nothing

 

[Craven Morehead]

Not one single f*** would be given by me if all 9 of these mongrels were given the green dream.

The victim of the Evil 8 paedophile ring was subjected to sustained abuse and degradation over two years at the hands of her father and a number of strangers.

Her father sexually assaulted her from when she was aged 11.
https://thewest.com.au/news/court-justice/is-evil-8-now-9-ng-b881099092z

 

[Gough]

What would their deaths achieve? Would other kids be safer? I doubt it. Would it prevent this sort of thing happening again? Doubt it again. The death penalty is all about satisfying people's desire for revenge, it has no other end.

 

[Craven Morehead]

What would their deaths achieve? Would other kids be safer? I doubt it. Would it prevent this sort of thing happening again? Doubt it again. The death penalty is all about satisfying people's desire for revenge, it has no other end.

When you put your dick into an 11 yr old child you have forfeited your right to breath the same air as me.
I don't particularly care if it would stop others from doing it. If "they" are caught they get the same treatment.
It's got nothing to do with sating my desire for revenge. It's about justice for the victim.
That poor kid, if she doesn't top herself, will be walking the streets when these bastards are eventually released. She will never, ever have peace of mind.

 

[Gough]

How do you know what the victim wants by way of justice?

 

[Craven Morehead]

How do you know what the victim wants by way of justice?

Because, and this is not easy to say, I am a survivor of childhood sexual abuse myself.
And to this very day, over 40 years later, I want that bastard dead.

 

[Gough]

Because, and this is not easy to say, I am a survivor of childhood sexual abuse myself.
And to this very day, over 40 years later, I want that bastard dead.

I'm desperately sorry to hear that and can understand your motivations but it doesn't shift my view that the death penalty is nothing but state sanctioned murder.