The Dockers Premiership Window

[FootyEater]

If you beleive the media, the dockers premiership window is in the next two years. i disagree. here is my projected team in three years time, and i think you will find that if we were to secure masten, palmer or even both our window would be well and truly open in three or even four years time. while this is purely speculative, let me know what you think.

FB R.Hayden L.Mcpharlin B.Obrien
HB B.Schammer M.Johnson M.Drum
C D.Mundy A.Foster B.Peake
HF D.Headland M.Pavlich R.Crowley
FF C.Collard C.Tarrant R.Dunn
Ruck: R.Warnock, J.Carr S.Dodd
Int G.Ibbotson, D.Solomon, A.Sandilands, S.Thornton
Emg: A.Campbell, and two younger draftees

If you look at the team, there is a fair bit of talent mixed with guys that will have had good experience. add in some good drafting, and we should still have a good team in the future. all is not lost, providing our young players improve in the way that we expect them to.

 

[Stronzo]

No purple jesus?

Drum is a forward and dunn is a midfielder, collard is yet to prove himself and Headland might be out of here.

 

[The Night Shift]

Campbell still an emergency... poor fella...

The Wiz!?!?
Chris Smith?

 

[pistol17]

No purple jesus?

Drum is a forward and dunn is a midfielder, collard is yet to prove himself and Headland might be out of here.

He did say this side would be in 3 years time....

I disagree with Drum, i think he could be handy down back, could be groomed as a Centre Half Back possibly.

Dunn while named at FP im sure footyeater was implying he would rotate in the middle with say Foster or someone.

 

[FootyEater]

Campbell still an emergency... poor fella...

The Wiz!?!?
Chris Smith?

The Wiz, Belly and Blackie will be retired, not sure about smith havent seen enough of him. and im not sure about campbell either. i realize collard, dunn and co havent proven themselves but htey have talent, i think they can be players

 

[pistol17]

Could throw in Andrew Browne is he manages to keep himself injury free

 

[FootyEater]

He did say this side would be in 3 years time....

I disagree with Drum, i think he could be handy down back, could be groomed as a Centre Half Back possibly.

Dunn while named at FP im sure footyeater was implying he would rotate in the middle with say Foster or someone.

thanks pistol that is exactly what i was implying

 

[Lach72]

On what basis are you locking in Collard? He has only played one AFL game for FFC, and he was very very average. He has done nothing to prove that he is at AFL level, or that he ever will be. I am not saying he cant make it, I just dont understand the hype of Collard. He has done nothing to prove himself.

I think because Collard made his debut in the Indigenous Round people felt that he was not fair game for criticism. But a truthfull assessment of his performance in that game was that he was shit and completely out of his depth.

I see ANdrew Johns is not the only one on the gear...

 

[pistol17]

I will give you some free advice: Any team that contains Andrew Browne as a starting player will NEVER win a premeirship.

I gather you dont like A.B GJ...

 

[FootyEater]

I will give you some free advice: Any team that contains Andrew Browne as a starting player will NEVER win a premeirship.

first of all GJ, i'll explain this simply so you can understand...... this is purely speculative. secondly collard has shown plenty of potential in the wafl and as a junior in the state under 18's comp, and before you jump, i know that this doesnt mean he will be a good afl player, but at the moment all we can go on is talent and potential. i think collard will be a very good player for us, and while i have named him in the pocket i think he will eventually be a midfielder. and thirdly. every time i have seen andrew browne play, he has run hard, has shown courage with his attack on the ball, has shown pace and has kicked goals. and while i havent named him, if he plays well this weekend and secures another one year deal and can remain injury free, i have no doubt he could be a good player for us. the poor guy hasnt ever had a clear run at it and you want to say he is without ability? if he gets a go at it i reckon he could be every bit as good as schammer, peake etc

 

[The Night Shift]

Gentleman Jeff - I think thats a harsh assessment of Collard. Allow the young man time to develop. I'd wager with you now that he makes it - if not prodigious as Farmer he will certainly be a excitement machine for Freo' in years to come.

 

[pistol17]

Is the assessment really that harsh? I was at Subi Oval when Collard made his debut, and I think my assessment of his performance for that game is bang on the money - he looked lost out there.

Footyeater - I did not see Collard in the u18's so you may be right about his potential, and I hope you are. But I can only judge Collard based on what I have seen, and he has not impressed. I have watched him in a few WAFL games and he was servicable, and he was very dissapointing in his debut AFL game.

How many minutes do you reckon he was out there for? Laid a great tackle, got a free kick and kicked the goal... Granted he has show absolutely nothing since though even had a shocker in the reserves last weekend but i think there is something about him, remember he is only young give him a chance to prove the hype is right. There were a lot of posters calling for collard to make his debut, not sure if you were one of them or not at the time but i was because of his form leading into his debut.

 

[pistol17]

I am not trying to crucify Collard. Of course he deserves more time and more games to prove himself.

But I was very dissapointed with the totally uncritical analysis of Collard's debut performance. Many people on this board just chose to ignore the fact that he had such a shocker. The reason why he got limited game time in his debut game was because he couldnt cut it out on the field - he looked lost and wasnt sure about where he should be standing.

GJ is all about quality scholarship and probative debate - thats why I was so dissapointed with the lack of critical analysis on this board regarding Collard's debut game.

Iagree he had an ordinary debut but he did a couple of good things which i guess was enough for some people to think he has the potential to make it at fremantle. To be honest not too many guys making there debut get a lot of game time, look at Ibbotson's first game - both guys would have sat on the pine for over 50% of the game... cant do too much on the pine. But i see where your coming from with Collard.

 

[FootyEater]

Collard didnt play well inn his first game, but i hvae a mate who is playing for carlton and it has taken him 15 games to actually feel part of the team, and slowly but surely he is becoming a good player, of whom is beginning to fulfill his potential, he was also taken at a higher place in the draft than collard was. the reason i bring this up, is that it takes time for these players to actually feel like they belong, let alone start to dominate matches. collard will be good

as for the under 18s carnival, there were two stand out midfielders for WA, Leroy Jetta and Clayton Collard, in fact in one of the threads on BF i think it was the masten palmer thread, someone provides a link to a clip on the up and coming midfield players coming through (palmer and masten) they make the comparison of palmer and masten, to hasleby and corey, and then to jetta and collard. make no mistake collard has plenty of ability, and i think once he becomes a regular you will start to thank freo for picking him up (he was a steal at pick 30)

 

[David_Brent]

If you beleive the media, the dockers premiership window is in the next two years. i disagree. here is my projected team in three years time, and i think you will find that if we were to secure masten, palmer or even both our window would be well and truly open in three or even four years time. while this is purely speculative, let me know what you think.

FB R.Hayden L.Mcpharlin B.Obrien
HB B.Schammer M.Johnson M.Drum
C D.Mundy A.Foster B.Peake
HF D.Headland M.Pavlich R.Crowley
FF C.Collard C.Tarrant R.Dunn
Ruck: R.Warnock, J.Carr S.Dodd
Int G.Ibbotson, D.Solomon, A.Sandilands, S.Thornton
Emg: A.Campbell, and two younger draftees

If you look at the team, there is a fair bit of talent mixed with guys that will have had good experience. add in some good drafting, and we should still have a good team in the future. all is not lost, providing our young players improve in the way that we expect them to.

In bold are kids. I love most of these kids, some will be good players. However, not all of them will make it.

In italics are blokes who have been found out at AFL of late in that position. McPharlin hasnt been able to hold down key defence, Schammer has to be questionable at this stage although probably good enough, Dodd not sure I'd want him starting rover put it that way. Also dont like Taz at FF but thats another issue.

While I think there is alot of talent there, if you look at other sides (Hawthorn, WC, Port et al) they wont be losing anyone really over the next 3yrs. And dont have question marks haning over their players like Freo do guys like Dunn, Ibbo, Brock etc. Those guys might be good enough but nobody knows yet.

In short, if those guys stand up. Premiership window is open. If they dont, then well, its a pretty run of the mill 6-10th side IMO.

 

[pistol17]

In bold are kids. I love most of these kids, some will be good players. However, not all of them will make it.

In italics are blokes who have been found out at AFL of late in that position. McPharlin hasnt been able to hold down key defence, Schammer has to be questionable at this stage although probably good enough, Dodd not sure I'd want him starting rover put it that way. Also dont like Taz at FF but thats another issue.

While I think there is alot of talent there, if you look at other sides (Hawthorn, WC, Port et al) they wont be losing anyone really over the next 3yrs. And dont have question marks haning over their players like Freo do guys like Dunn, Ibbo, Brock etc. Those guys might be good enough but nobody knows yet.

In short, if those guys stand up. Premiership window is open. If they dont, then well, its a pretty run of the mill 6-10th side IMO.

What?? McPharlin hasnt been able to hold down a key defensive position... Think you had better look at who is the Full Back for the State of Origin side and watch him play.

 

[FootyEater]

In bold are kids. I love most of these kids, some will be good players. However, not all of them will make it.

In italics are blokes who have been found out at AFL of late in that position. McPharlin hasnt been able to hold down key defence, Schammer has to be questionable at this stage although probably good enough, Dodd not sure I'd want him starting rover put it that way. Also dont like Taz at FF but thats another issue.

While I think there is alot of talent there, if you look at other sides (Hawthorn, WC, Port et al) they wont be losing anyone really over the next 3yrs. And dont have question marks haning over their players like Freo do guys like Dunn, Ibbo, Brock etc. Those guys might be good enough but nobody knows yet.

In short, if those guys stand up. Premiership window is open. If they dont, then well, its a pretty run of the mill 6-10th side IMO.

I agree, in that the younger players must stand up for this window to stay open, that goes without saying. obrien, ibbotson, and drum i am unsure about. i think foster looks like a player, im quite certain collard will be a gun.
Dodd i had in the midfield as a tagger, i think he will take over from matt carr as our number one tagger.
mcpharlin i believe is the best centre half back in the league, a lot of people laugh at me for saying that, but he gets played at full back where he has to play agains gehrig, brown etc, but if you put mcpharlin at CHB against reiwoldt or franklin he dominates. the only player i am more confidant about being a gun than mcpharlin is pav.

schammer may eventually be traded. i think the suprise packet for everyone will be ryley dunn. i think he will be our best midfielder on the weekend. there is a reason we selected him at pick 13, im sure he will play well

 

[David_Brent]

What?? McPharlin hasnt been able to hold down a key defensive position... Think you had better look at who is the Full Back for the State of Origin side and watch him play.

Full back in the state of origin side? That means nothing. There is nobody else remotely capable of filling that role, he basically got it by default when they had to push Glass to CHB.

Luke is very talented but he hasnt proven to be capable of playing full back on what I've seen. Too many key forwards get away from him thats why Grover is the one man show on the last line. Luke was a sensational CHB afew years ago but has never proven himself capable on the last line. I'll stand corrected if you can prove otherwise.

 

[David_Brent]

I agree, in that the younger players must stand up for this window to stay open, that goes without saying. obrien, ibbotson, and drum i am unsure about. i think foster looks like a player, im quite certain collard will be a gun.
Dodd i had in the midfield as a tagger, i think he will take over from matt carr as our number one tagger.
mcpharlin i believe is the best centre half back in the league, a lot of people laugh at me for saying that, but he gets played at full back where he has to play agains gehrig, brown etc, but if you put mcpharlin at CHB against reiwoldt or franklin he dominates. the only player i am more confidant about being a gun than mcpharlin is pav.

I agree Luke has been and could be a very good CHB. But you named him at FB? I probably dont need to tell you they are completely different roles. CHB you can zone off, read the play and dont really have to play one out with your opponent, and if you do, its not so critical. At full back you need to be very strong, and be able to hold your own when one on one. Thats where Luke is questionable IMO.

 

[FootyEater]

Full back in the state of origin side? That means nothing. There is nobody else remotely capable of filling that role, he basically got it by default when they had to push Glass to CHB.

Luke is very talented but he hasnt proven to be capable of playing full back on what I've seen. Too many key forwards get away from him thats why Grover is the one man show on the last line. Luke was a sensational CHB afew years ago but has never proven himself capable on the last line. I'll stand corrected if you can prove otherwise.

that state selection was a joke. they had the best full back in the league at CHB and the best CHB in the league at full back. the fact is luke is a great runner and can stay with the CHF's while glass is very strong, so he can muscle with the full forward gorilla's Luke is a very capable backman either way

 

[Milky]

FB R.Hayden L.Mcpharlin B.Obrien
HB B.Schammer M.Johnson M.Drum
C D.Mundy A.Foster B.Peake
HF D.Headland M.Pavlich R.Crowley
FF C.Collard C.Tarrant R.Dunn
Ruck: R.Warnock, J.Carr S.Dodd
Int G.Ibbotson, D.Solomon, A.Sandilands, S.Thornton
Emg: A.Campbell, and two younger draftees

my points to loook at-

-shammer should be played on a wing or through the middle
-mundy is a running half back not a full time wingman
-drum shows his talent in the forward line
-dodd is 1 of our best defenders, needs to be played there not as a mid
-IMO opinion not a dunn fan at all but he couldnt be played as a forward pocket anyway
-thornton is crap, gilmore would be played before him

 

[Milky]

my posible team in 2-3 years

B. R.Hayden L.Mcpharlin B. O'Brien
HB.S.Dodd M.Johnson G.Ibbotson
C. B.Shammer A.Foster D.Gilmore
HF. D.Headland M.Pavlich C.Tarrant
FF. C.Collard A.Campbell. M.Drum
R. A.Sandilands J.Carr B.Peake
Int. D.Solomon R. Warnock A.Grover and one of our new draft picks

but i also had the ideas of O'Brien at FB depending on his development, Mcpharlin at CHB, Ibbotson will go threw the middle to, solomon maybe on the wing also johnson on a wing playing across half back

 

[Lach72]

my points to loook at-

-shammer should be played on a wing or through the middle
-mundy is a running half back not a full time wingman
-drum shows his talent in the forward line
-dodd is 1 of our best defenders, needs to be played there not as a mid
-IMO opinion not a dunn fan at all but he couldnt be played as a forward pocket anyway
-thornton is crap, gilmore would be played before him

Mundy is not accountable enough to play as a back man.
Harsh on Scotty Thornton

 

[FootyEater]

FB R.Hayden L.Mcpharlin B.Obrien
HB B.Schammer M.Johnson M.Drum
C D.Mundy A.Foster B.Peake
HF D.Headland M.Pavlich R.Crowley
FF C.Collard C.Tarrant R.Dunn
Ruck: R.Warnock, J.Carr S.Dodd
Int G.Ibbotson, D.Solomon, A.Sandilands, S.Thornton
Emg: A.Campbell, and two younger draftees

my points to loook at-

-shammer should be played on a wing or through the middle
-mundy is a running half back not a full time wingman
-drum shows his talent in the forward line
-dodd is 1 of our best defenders, needs to be played there not as a mid
-IMO opinion not a dunn fan at all but he couldnt be played as a forward pocket anyway
-thornton is crap, gilmore would be played before him

.Schammer has played good football as a running half back, however i conceed he could go into the middle especially when belly retires
. mundy i believe if given licence to attack could become a very good wingman, i think he has struggled this year in the backline with his accountability, and he has the size, speed and stamina to become an elite wingman
. i think your basing drum's talent as a forward on one maybe two games, however he was recruited as a half back flanker from vic country, he is cool calm and collected in the backline which is exactly what we need.
. dodd started out as a tagger, then moved into the backline, but i dont think he has the size to go with most tall forwards, however he does have the running capcity to be a tagger, and in three years time when matt carr has retired we are going to need a good tagger.
.ryley dunn has been injured constantly for four years. but he is a gun, at the start of this year he was in sensational form, given an injury free run he will be a gun.
.and i rate scott thornton ahead of michael johnson in his rebound from defence, he is a jet and should be signed up for the next six years

 

[FREO81]

If you beleive the media, the dockers premiership window is in the next two years. i disagree. here is my projected team in three years time, and i think you will find that if we were to secure masten, palmer or even both our window would be well and truly open in three or even four years time. while this is purely speculative, let me know what you think.

FB R.Hayden L.Mcpharlin B.Obrien
HB B.Schammer M.Johnson M.Drum
C D.Mundy A.Foster B.Peake
HF D.Headland M.Pavlich R.Crowley
FF C.Collard C.Tarrant R.Dunn
Ruck: R.Warnock, J.Carr S.Dodd
Int G.Ibbotson, D.Solomon, A.Sandilands, S.Thornton
Emg: A.Campbell, and two younger draftees

If you look at the team, there is a fair bit of talent mixed with guys that will have had good experience. add in some good drafting, and we should still have a good team in the future. all is not lost, providing our young players improve in the way that we expect them to.

First off any team with Thornton in wont win a Premership.

FB Hayden Mcpharlin Dodd
HB Mundy Johnson Obrien
C Ibbotson Foster Peake
HF Webster Tarrent Mourish
FF Drum Pavlich Headland
R Warnok Carr Crowley
IN Sandilands Schammer Solomon Gilmore
EM New rookies. or Smtih Dunn Duffield

If Haddrill can get some good form back at Full Back and stay injury free, he would be my first choice at Full Back. The same with Murphy for the Full Foward position. If they do find some form and injury free out go Webster and Mourish or Mundy and Solomon. Grover very unlucky as well not to make the cut.