Thankfully I preordered the book and got it on my kindle now...is there a way to share it without the need of a flash drive? The book certainly gives some insights into BVE's background. (Side note: Apparently he and Harry Phipps knew each other!)I don’t have the Banquet book - it got recalled before I could get a copy!
I haven’t tried to access any of the Court documents either. I think you can apply to the registry to do so though. I’m not sure what State Archives have that the Courts don’t have, or vice versa.
Have you found anything out in your own research ElizabethG? What research have you been doing and what have you been focusing on?
This is interesting on a personal level... such a small world.Does anyone remember a Lawrence Tan being acquainted with Vivian Vidulich?
(She was living with him in Wollongong in around 1987.)
Would it be spelt Laurens Tan?This is interesting on a personal level... such a small world.
I've followed this thread and case for years and always fascinated with the case. Having moved to, and lived in Adelaide around 82-84 in my early-mid teens, I remember the rumours, news stories and fear at the time. I happened to live in Brighton during that period and coincidently was a member of the Brighton SLSC. It wasn't until the last decade that I learned of Liddy and his story. I was at the club during those days when he was preying on nippers. I was extremely lucky to be just a touch older and out of the nipper category in those days. Anyway, I digress.
Back to your initial question... I was born in and grew up in Wollongong. I also happened to have gone to W'Gong Uni and studied art during the late 80s and Tan was indeed one of my lecturers. TBH, I have a vague recollection of a female connection with Tan in those days, but really cannot confirm who it was. I recall Tan tending to keep that aspect of his life private. I do remember he drove an Audi and I also recall he was a lecturer I admired and quite liked personally. He is still around, though not in the Gong anymore. And BTW, his first name is spelt differently.
I'm not up to speed with this recent interest in "Vivian Vidulich" having been away from this thread for quite a few months... what is the interest and where does it come from? Is this to do with the pulled publication by Marshall?
I’ve been looking into these pine needles again that the Dissected book says were found with Neil Muir’s remains. I have visited a few locations to have a “look see” for myself. To put what I am about to offer into context, I recommend you go back to page 120 for the original post to see the accompanying images, which showed pictures of the old mortuary at West Terrace Cemetery and a historic map showing the location of pine trees which I uncovered in the State Library. That post is quoted above but the images are on the original post.Pine Needles and Neil Muir
The e book mentioned that Pine needles were found with the remains of Neil Muir's body.
It speculates that the pine needles could have come from a pine tree located in the grounds of the Calvary Hospital in North Adelaide.
The e book also talks about "Colin" being exploited on an autopsy table in a major hospital by a medico with after hours access. This would have to be the RAH. I'm not aware of any pine trees there - plus the mortuary was in the basement there.
Further, it mentions the old quarantine station at Torrens Island. Again, I'm not sure if there were pine trees there or not.
Posters on here have also discussed a possible pine tree in or near to Prince St, Alberton. However, it doesn't seem that the TG house there was in use until a year or two after the death of NM.
Was there a suggestion that there was a pine tree near/at Mr R's house? If so, I don't think the needles came from there either. You'll see why shortly.
I've also wondered if facilities could have been used at the Adelaide University School of Medicine? Again, I'm not about any pine trees nearby there either.
So what other options are there? A veterinary clinic? The Adelaide Zoo - animal treatment facilities? A mortuary at a funeral director's home? Maybe others as well....
Recent research has uncovered the existence of the 'old' City Morgue.
It was at the West Tce cemetery. Forensic autopsies were carried out there until December 1978, when its function was transferred to the new Forensic Science Centre in Divett Place. The new facility included a modern mortuary on the ground floor.
A mere six months after the new building was opened in Divett Place, AB and NM are dead. NM is dissected.
The old city morgue was located just off West Tce, not far south of the buildings at the main entrance. The morgue had its own entrance directly off West Tce.
In the vicinity of the old City Morgue, I found a map showing there are numerous "Aleppo Pine Trees" within the grounds of the cemetery. They are marked as number 11 species on the attached image.
So - what if someone still had access to the 'old' City Morgue, six months after it had closed? Organs could either be buried/dispersed in the cemetery itself, or tissue/organs could have alternatively been disposed of in a hospital or another medical facility? he could have them disposed at his new facility in Divett Place? It would be much easier to carry in a plastic bag with body parts than to bring in a whole body.
It would be easier to dismember a whole body in a place like the old city morgue, than try and get a whole body in to a hospital (or a university or similar) place and then spend hours dismembering it there.
Maybe, NM was taken to the old city morgue (its no more than 10 minutes at most from Millhouse's place in North Adelaide; and 5 minutes from Hindley St or Carrington St, and all of 2 minutes from Chatham St - the first TG house). Then "they" did the dissection. Some of the body was then contaminated by Pine needles at the cemetery - most likely by transfer from the vehicle(s) or a person(s) there as well. Who knows - maybe ML and PS were also cut/dismembered there too?
Images are attached for reference. The morgue and aerial pica are taken around 1975/76; the maps are from a report done in 1988.
Hi, just thought i'd let you know i just bought a paperback of it from Kimberley Bookshop in Western Australia. $34.99Can’t see how he has a case. If he wrote to the paper using his own name, and this was just quoted in the book, where is the problem? I thought Debi was very careful not to link the letter writer with “the businessman”.
Glad I bought the ebook & downloaded it!
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Awesome work Squawk!Next stop – West Tce cemetery.
As per my previous post showing the old map, I arrived to find that there are indeed a plethora of pine trees within 50m of the old mortuary at West Tce cemetery. What’s more, the trees (Aleppo pines and one other species) drop needles and cones prodigiously. And they are genuine pine needles.
The site of the old mortuary had its own gate for entry and exit. And to top it off, it was decommissioned that about the time of Neil’s murder. And one more thing. It was directly opposite the Elephant and Castle Hotel. This hotel was bought and owned by Abe Saffron. Saffron also owned Patches, the Mars Bar and the Australia Hotel. He was a prolific importer of porn and made his financial way in sex and vice. He was known to blackmail people by filming them in compromising situations. He was also allegedly connected to Lionel Murphy, who is alleged to have visited Derrance Stevenson’s house on the night of his murder.
This picture shows the site of the old mortuary. The pine trees are behind the photographer, about 50m away.
The other pic shows an example of the needles on these trees.
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Yes, I've been devising something over the last week albeit rather loosely. A 'no discussion' media thread I think might work for now.Is there a way we could have all of the photos in this thread linked to one area?
im not sure how this would be done, but would be great to see images, without scrolling through every page (or maybe there’s a way to do this I don’t know about?)