Analysis "The Fog" Will he make it?

[Mileratkinsshow]

YES
now fit him in the squad please

 

[Murray2503]

In answer to "will Fog make it"?
Fog will be subject to the exact same requirement of all players in the league. If he performs his career will continue. I have my doubts on his physical attributes and mental makeup that he will have a long term career either with us or another club. I will be surprised if he plays more than 80 games. If I am being honest I wouldn't mind us trading him end of this year. I would also like us to trade Frampton, Lynch, Crouch, Jones, Mackay(retire), Strachan(delist), Davis. Time to tidy up our list. Unfortunately I think we are stuck with Frampton until his contract runs out.

 

[MrBarry]

In answer to "will Fog make it"?
Fog will be subject to the exact same requirement of all players in the league. If he performs his career will continue. I have my doubts on his physical attributes and mental makeup that he will have a long term career either with us or another club. I will be surprised if he plays more than 80 games. If I am being honest I wouldn't mind us trading him end of this year. I would also like us to trade Frampton, Lynch, Crouch, Jones, Mackay(retire), Strachan(delist), Davis. Time to tidy up our list. Unfortunately I think we are stuck with Frampton until his contract runs out.

I agree with all of those trades aside from Fogarty, you don't just throw that sort of talent away for nothing. Bad take.

 

[Murray2503]

I agree with all of those trades aside from Fogarty, you don't just throw that sort of talent away for nothing. Bad take.

Not a bad take. A difference of opinion. I wouldn't call being on a list for 4 years throwing away a player. If it was 2 years I would agree with you. He isn't getting any better. As I said I can't see him playing more than 80 games which isn't a bad career btw. Let's put him as the main guy without Tex and see how he fares. I want to see all of our players succeed but I just don't see it. We have carried other players on our list in the past who don't have it to our own detriment.

If we can get something decent at the trade for him I would strongly consider it. Let a club who sees something rightly or wrongly try and develop him as our club under numerous coaches doesn't see it as evidenced by his games played. If there is something there (which I don't believe there is) he isn't at the right club as we haven't been able to unlock it. He may go to another club and something clicks for him and he goes on to have a better career than he will with us. Just as we took a player such as Keays that goes on to have a good career with us. That's AFL and the swings and roundabouts each club encounters. I would advise the club to play Fogarty against the top clubs and make an assessment.

 

[MrBarry]

Not a bad take. A difference of opinion. I wouldn't call being on a list for 4 years throwing away a player. If it was 2 years I would agree with you. He isn't getting any better. As I said I can't see him playing more than 80 games. Let's put him as the main guy without Tex and see how he fares. I want to see all of our players succeed but I just don't see it.

It is a difference of opinion, but I can call out someone elses opinion for being wrong.

You get better by playing games and as a club we have stifled the development of him is my view. In 2019 we wasted a year completely by not playing him - people were screaming for him to come in and the Pyke finally puts him in and he kicks 5 goals away at West Coast in his first game.

We need to get him to 50 games as quickly as possible before making any calls on this.

 

[Murray2503]

It is a difference of opinion, but I can call out someone elses opinion for being wrong.

You get better by playing games and as a club we have stifled the development of him is my view. In 2019 we wasted a year completely by not playing him - people were screaming for him to come in and the Pyke finally puts him in and he kicks 5 goals away at West Coast in his first game.

We need to get him to 50 games as quickly as possible before making any calls on this.

That's your opinion it is wrong. In fact the club agrees with me as evidenced by the amount of games he has played for the club.

 

[Crow till I die]

That's your opinion it is wrong. In fact the club agrees with me as evidenced by the amount of games he has played for the club.

We have a guy that will come in at some point and assuming he plays like he presents he will be the perfect foil for fog. Thilthorpe at chf is going to be a very mobile ranging pack marking chf and with his aerial ability and height will draw defenders to him and what fog likes is space to lead into be it through the centre or into the pockets as he is a very accurate shot for goal. These 2 players in my view are what I see as complimentary and the future of our forward line

 

[1970crow]

If this was the week before in the SANFL you'd have argued the opposite, where for whatever reason Fogartys fortunes reversed. Had no issue finding the ball in the limited bursts he was there (and did a lot of damage when he was involved), and didn't get anywhere near it in the forward line.

Needs to be a lot fitter to be an AFL mid. Just need to see a bit here and there while he's building his fitness base.

 

[Kickin Goals]

I think the whole he needs Tex & Lynch to retire is bullshit, if he is good enough he should be able to make a decent impact now, we just need to give him a decent run at it with continuity of games. He is to slow for a mid if he is going to make it long term it’s as a forward.

 

[PrideoSA]

Elite set shot kick, a weapon that means he will do most damage playing forward

 

[Bearded Clam]

Yet another example of the waste of the pyke 2018/19 seasons..

can’t believe that ****wit, and the morons he had around him, played fog in the SANFL in defense when we had a clearly injured and out of form Tex being granted games instead of fog..

fog probably shouldve asked for a trade after that stupidity. But I recon he loves the club and doesnt want to go anywhere else..

will he make it?.. in my opinion he will and he will eventually replace tex.

I also want to see him continue to be given bursts in the midfield.

 

[John Who]

I think the “problem” with Fog is that he is being compared to Tex in a literal “1:1 comparison”. This is what’s causing a big divide of opinions I feel. And I think the comparison is half justified but half unfair, reasons:

- Tex has had nearly 10 years of headstart with the AFL-level fitness training compared to Fog.

- Fog has played in an “era” (2018-2020) where we’ve been arguably the weakest, slowest, injury-riddled, low-confidence team, and a media-attacking frenzy outlet.

- Fog is facing a lot of scrutiny a lot more than any other forwards, because he is our 1st round pick, and supporters pin a lot of hope for him more than any other forward potentials we have except maybe Thilthorpe.

- Fog plays most similar to Tex, and the team structures we have in place isn’t quite suited to having 2 Tex-like players, unless Fog improves on his fitness, which better allows him to be used in various roles.

 

[WeedsMullet84]

Elite set shot kick, a weapon that means he will do most damage playing forward

Yeah absolutely, and the new rule changes have definitely helped him out.

I don't think we can play 3 talls in the same team because opposition seem to just walk it out of their defence otherwise. Tex, Frampton & Fog aren't exactly pressure beasts (even though Tex has upped the ante this year!)

I've always been a massive fan of Tex because he does A LOT more than just score goals, his goal assists are usually through the roof as well, and he gets himself into the game by pushing himself up the ground and creating links. Fog is a set it and forget it FF who has NO OTHER weapons to his game other than mark-kick-goal, so unless he puts 2+ goals through the sticks per game he's probably going to be judged as not having a huge impact.

My prediction is that we persist with Fog (only due to the new rule changes), and one of Himmelberg/Frampton gets traded this year, or delisted.

 

[Southerntakeover]

That's your opinion it is wrong. In fact the club agrees with me as evidenced by the amount of games he has played for the club.

Imagine advancing arguments relying solely on what the club did when it was the worst organisation in professional sports, and thinking it was consistent in any way.

The club hasn't acted consistently with your opinion, which is that the kid needs to be abandoned. He's on the list and presently in the team.

The club didnt abandon him as a bust, they just stifled his development by having no idea how to properly prioritise it.

 

[John Who]

That's your opinion it is wrong. In fact the club agrees with me as evidenced by the amount of games he has played for the club.

You’re making a massive assumption. This is like saying “Dmac has played more games than Fog, and this is evidence the club sees DMac as the bigger star than Fog”.

 

[Southerntakeover]

The thing you notice is that the people who are arguing no are largely just doing so based upon things that they've fabricated in the past to justify his non-selection and are entirely immovable in those fantasies.

Claims like he can't do anything but set shot kick (which they've now had to concede he is elite at) is nonsense. He's a great kick around the ground as well. His agility is better than people claim, and he has shown an ability to use his big body around the contest even if he hasn't yet been able to put that together fully.



Watch at about 2:47, then again at about 4:40. This is the supposedly immobile statue that our densest posters will claim could never contribute to anything outside of leading, catching and kicking. Just rubbish claims.

They claim he's unfit, despite the club itself touting his fitness. They claim he can't mark, which is just ridiculous (you can see a more than useful marking ability in the videos).

This thread isnt about whether or not the construction that the worst football minds on the board put together to make themselves feel better about defending the absurd selection decisions of a clearly inept and obviously wrong club will make it. It's about whether the player will make it, the player with the traits actually demonstrated at AFL football.

He needs experience, he needs comfort at the level. He needs to develop consistency, and an ability to get into the game at times when the entry might be quiet. Those are things to be developed, and which it is reasonable to think will improve with experience and confidence. It's fine to question whether he will develop them. To question whether he has traits though, whether he can mark, whether he can run, whether he has adequate agility? That's just ****ing stupid.

 

[Golumless]

Needs to be a lot fitter to be an AFL mid. Just need to see a bit here and there while he's building his fitness base.

He's fit enough. Burns had no issue with his tank when it comes to KPFs and really, it's not a big step from key forward to midfield anymore.

The game is just figuring out how to use Fogarty, and also getting him time as both a mid and a forward.

 

[Southerntakeover]

He's fit enough. Burns had no issue with his tank when it comes to KPFs and really, it's not a big step from key forward to midfield anymore.

The game is just figuring out how to use Fogarty, and also getting him time as both a mid and a forward.

The fitnesses between positions can be different- you'd expect that power forwards are more geared towards repeat sprinting and less towards long term endurance, but I don't think his fitness is actually the issue.

The thing with him around the ball on the weekend was entirely just experience in that position. It's having the knowledge to understand that you generally have a lot more support in the midfield then as a forward and your job as the big guy is to get the ball to the team mates in space. Fog was fighting a bit in the clinches like he had to single handedly prevail against the other midfield. He'll learn that with time in the AFL level if he's given it.

This isnt something he'll learn at SANFL level- the difference in quality with his team mates, and the lower physical presence of SANFL players is more likely to reinforce in his mind that he needs to do it all alone.

 

[Betts are off]

I think the 'Tex and Fog can't exist in the same forward line' conversation is BS. Sure, when our game plan was just based around bombing it onto the head of 2 guys who are leading forwards they are always going to struggle.

But now that we are finally looking to hit up the leading forward (not to mention how the AFL have opened up the game for leading forwards who can kick it 60m to thrive) there is no reason we can't make them a deadly tandem act.

I'd like us to give those 2 the rest of the season in the same forward line. Just set and forget!

 

[StickerMan]

Fog sort of reminds of Christian Petracca

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in regards to development.

Petracca showed glimpses until last year where he exploded into an elite player after getting himself fit.

You don't give up on elite talent.

 

[Golumless]

Yeah absolutely, and the new rule changes have definitely helped him out.

I don't think we can play 3 talls in the same team because opposition seem to just walk it out of their defence otherwise. Tex, Frampton & Fog aren't exactly pressure beasts (even though Tex has upped the ante this year!)

I've always been a massive fan of Tex because he does A LOT more than just score goals, his goal assists are usually through the roof as well, and he gets himself into the game by pushing himself up the ground and creating links. Fog is a set it and forget it FF who has NO OTHER weapons to his game other than mark-kick-goal, so unless he puts 2+ goals through the sticks per game he's probably going to be judged as not having a huge impact.

My prediction is that we persist with Fog (only due to the new rule changes), and one of Himmelberg/Frampton gets traded this year, or delisted.

For the position they find themselves in, Fog and Tex deserve being known as pressure beasts. It's just that the best key forward in this area is the equivalent of an average small forward in this area. I.e. Fog contributes at a similar level to McAdam defensively.

You can certainly make a forward line like that work. It gets more difficult once you add Lynch to the mix as that takes away a smaller half forward (a McHenry, or Murphy for instance) who'd make up the difference. You could make that forward line work, but you're probably in need of a Cameron like player to tie it all in.

 

[1970crow]

The fitnesses between positions can be different- you'd expect that power forwards are more geared towards repeat sprinting and less towards long term endurance, but I don't think his fitness is actually the issue.

The thing with him around the ball on the weekend was entirely just experience in that position. It's having the knowledge to understand that you generally have a lot more support in the midfield then as a forward and your job as the big guy is to get the ball to the team mates in space. Fog was fighting a bit in the clinches like he had to single handedly prevail against the other midfield. He'll learn that with time in the AFL level if he's given it.

This isnt something he'll learn at SANFL level- the difference in quality with his team mates, and the lower physical presence of SANFL players is more likely to reinforce in his mind that he needs to do it all alone.

You also need to not have any doubts about going when it's your turn. Any delay and the opportunity is gone and you'll look like Chayce Jones. You need to believe that you're an equivalent of everyone else standing around you, I'm not sure we make our junior mids feel that way. But that's probably just a little conspiracy theory that I've been working on.

 

[Geoffa32]

The fitnesses between positions can be different- you'd expect that power forwards are more geared towards repeat sprinting and less towards long term endurance, but I don't think his fitness is actually the issue.

The thing with him around the ball on the weekend was entirely just experience in that position. It's having the knowledge to understand that you generally have a lot more support in the midfield then as a forward and your job as the big guy is to get the ball to the team mates in space. Fog was fighting a bit in the clinches like he had to single handedly prevail against the other midfield. He'll learn that with time in the AFL level if he's given it.

This isnt something he'll learn at SANFL level- the difference in quality with his team mates, and the lower physical presence of SANFL players is more likely to reinforce in his mind that he needs to do it all alone.

He needs to work on the quick handball.

Even up forward. He got caught HTB, had time to dish out the handball. In the midfle he has to make that quick handball.


This will come with experience. He needs to play every week from now on.


Structure is not as important as getting these guys game time.

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[Slippery Pete]

The problem Fog faces is if he kicks 2.4 for the next three weeks running, he slides below Tony Lockett

Tony Lockett

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on goalkicking percentage, and then it really is over for the young man.

 

[Coopers]

I like that we are giving him a few minutes of midfield time before parking him further up forward.

Good tools to have long term, don't mind the role. Needs to get better at it, but it's good for him.