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Roast The Forward line.

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mike123 said:
Problem is when you try too even that can turn back into too bombing it to the spare. My point wasn't don't try it my point was we were most likely screwed either way. Perhaps a messenger should have got into Oxley or Maynard's ear and told them try and sneak forward and have a ping from long range?
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Bard said:
Absolutely it could have failed, just think it's a higher percentage play.
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You may recall the free that wasn't paid to Oxley in the forward 50?
I think that tells you he was told to go forward.
 
I agree our forward line has been terrible but the delivery on Thursday night was abysmal, and Port should get credit for the pressure they put on us.
The problem though has been the small forwards IMO particularly Elliot of late, and Fasolo. Neither have really impacted the scoreboard, and whilst Fasolo to his credit at least provided some pressure with 7 tackles, the real pressure I want from him is scoreboard pressure.

If BenKen stands up this week in the two's then he must come in and be given a decent chance, at the expense of Elliot who I think needs to go back and refocus. Fasolo could also be in trouble but not sure we have a ready made replacement unless PK does something remarkable.


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I'd be interested to see what our scoring ratio is per inside 50 - does anyone know how we rank against the rest of the competition?

On face value I think it's a big problem. You can't win games where all your goal kicking forwards are out of form. Fasolo, Cloke, Elliot, White have all been ordinary in their own way and we don't seem to be getting the resting midfielder goals either each week from guys like Swanny and Pendles.

Our conversion rate won't change without a change out of cattle I think. If guys like White and Cloke were capable of kicking straight, surely they would've shown good improvement by now. I don't believe it's mental anymore I just think they have terrible skills in this area.

We also need that small crumbing forward that's good for a few goals a game. There were a few to choose from last season so not sure who will be around this FA period.

It has to be a key focus of our FA and trade period coming up at the end of the season if we want to take that next step.
 

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Kappa said:
As long as he isn't taking up nearly 10% of the salary cap he doesn't have to be. Just needs to perform to the same level of Cloke (isn't hard) and we'll be much better off
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If we didn't have Cloke we would be down with Essendon and Carlton.
He does much more than kick goals, sure a few more would help but not many forwards are kicking 3-4 a weeks it seems now there is more goal spread and this is where he is so important.

Look I'm as pissed off as the next guy with his and Elliott lack of goal form but in the big picture we are one more forward off being real dangerous.

Fas looks threatening and hopefully it's only a matter of time.

A Michael Walters type for us would be amazing and release the forwards we have even more.
 
NT.Thunder said:
I'd be interested to see what our scoring ratio is per inside 50 - does anyone know how we rank against the rest of the competition?

On face value I think it's a big problem. You can't win games where all your goal kicking forwards are out of form. Fasolo, Cloke, Elliot, White have all been ordinary in their own way and we don't seem to be getting the resting midfielder goals either each week from guys like Swanny and Pendles.

Our conversion rate won't change without a change out of cattle I think. If guys like White and Cloke were capable of kicking straight, surely they would've shown good improvement by now. I don't believe it's mental anymore I just think they have terrible skills in this area.

We also need that small crumbing forward that's good for a few goals a game. There were a few to choose from last season so not sure who will be around this FA period.

It has to be a key focus of our FA and trade period coming up at the end of the season if we want to take that next step.
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Our scores per inside 50 was top 3 and conversion was the best as of a few weeks ago. On phone so can't find source.
 
AJH073 said:
Cloke gets way too many kicks on the wing and around 70m from goal. Its so wasteful as he as limited options to kick to. I think we need an in between forward that can play the same sort of role as Cloke does now. That way he can kick it to Cloke. Darcy Moore may be that man.
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Dissagree, Cloke had his best season in 2011 when he pushed up on the wing took marks beat his opponent back in the forward line and rag dolled him easy.

Playing as a full forward you get results like last year.
 
peter9789 said:
I agree our forward line has been terrible but the delivery on Thursday night was abysmal, and Port should get credit for the pressure they put on us.
The problem though has been the small forwards IMO particularly Elliot of late, and Fasolo. Neither have really impacted the scoreboard, and whilst Fasolo to his credit at least provided some pressure with 7 tackles, the real pressure I want from him is scoreboard pressure.

If BenKen stands up this week in the two's then he must come in and be given a decent chance, at the expense of Elliot who I think needs to go back and refocus. Fasolo could also be in trouble but not sure we have a ready made replacement unless PK does something remarkable.


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Blair should go before Elliott IMO
 
NT.Thunder said:
I'd be interested to see what our scoring ratio is per inside 50 - does anyone know how we rank against the rest of the competition?

On face value I think it's a big problem. You can't win games where all your goal kicking forwards are out of form. Fasolo, Cloke, Elliot, White have all been ordinary in their own way and we don't seem to be getting the resting midfielder goals either each week from guys like Swanny and Pendles.

Our conversion rate won't change without a change out of cattle I think. If guys like White and Cloke were capable of kicking straight, surely they would've shown good improvement by now. I don't believe it's mental anymore I just think they have terrible skills in this area.

We also need that small crumbing forward that's good for a few goals a game. There were a few to choose from last season so not sure who will be around this FA period.

It has to be a key focus of our FA and trade period coming up at the end of the season if we want to take that next step.
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I thought were we one of the best at one stage, but I could be wrong.
I'm low on Internet credits ATM, so can't check this

Edit- beaten to it
 

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Pera said:
Wasn't the forward line at all. The way we structured out F50 setup leaving Port to have one, maybe two men back all night cost us the game. The forwards can only do so much and when there arent enough numbers around to support, the whole thing falls apart. Having Buddy in there tonight wouldn't have helped us one iota.
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I agree.. Buckley is the coach and is payed huge $$$$$ to pick up on this and make moves to stop the loose men ..
 
If Buckley instructed the players to move the ball quick up the middle to our forwards then the might have a chance .. This boundary line slow moving ball play is no good for our forwards .. Buckley watch Hawks games please
 
Ant85 said:
It wasn't just the delivery, granted it was never going to be clean when wet.

There were several times our forwards were in the wrong position, and gave little second effort to stop Port defenders from springing the ball back out.

The midfield was mauled in the first quarter, but after that I think the mids won it back, if you look at the final stats. We evened up in clearances, we won the hitouts, we were getting our hands on the ball.

Cloke, Elliott, Blair - woeful.
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What did Schulz and Westhoff do? They were no ore effective than Cloke, Elliot and Blair. We lost a tight contest in wet conditions that didn't suit forwards. Both teams kicked nine goals. We lost.
 
jasonwilde said:
Jesse White has proven himself to be an upgrade on Dawes.
Cloke is an absolute gun with decent delivery and is underpaid by as much as 25% compared to what other clubs would be paying him.
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I would not call White an Upgrade on Dawes.

White only upside over Dawes that he can Play in the Ruck so being little bit more Verstile. Dawes is the Better Forward
 
rustyg70 said:
I really want to see Sidey spend more time in the forward 50.
He is so clean with his ball handling and is a very good crumber and reader of the play.
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Actually we need more Crumbers and not for Fas and Elliot to try and take hangers all the time
 
TradeDraft said:
I would not call White an Upgrade on Dawes.

White only upside over Dawes that he can Play in the Ruck so being little bit more Verstile. Dawes is the Better Forward
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Disagree Dave.

Jesse White is a better mark, provides more of a target and kicks slightly more goals.

Oh & he's much, much better in the ruck.
 

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AJH073 said:
Cloke gets way too many kicks on the wing and around 70m from goal. Its so wasteful as he as limited options to kick to.
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Whether he has limited options or not, he only does one thing when he is that far out. Swings around quickly onto the left peg and kicks a 60 metre bomb to the top of the square regardless of who's there. He never attempts to look for a pass or unmarked option.
 
Time to leave Swanny down forward full time. May even prolong his career. Sure he would slot 50 goals a year
 
jasonwilde said:
Disagree Dave.

Jesse White is a better mark, provides more of a target and kicks slightly more goals.

Oh & he's much, much better in the ruck.
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Agree Jessie White is a better mark, but Dawes provides more of a target.
 
Visions said:
Whether he has limited options or not, he only does one thing when he is that far out. Swings around quickly onto the left peg and kicks a 60 metre bomb to the top of the square regardless of who's there. He never attempts to look for a pass or unmarked option.
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so true. so so true.
 

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