Society/Culture The Humanities: A cesspool of academic fraud

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You're response doesn't surprise me.
Be wary mate. Gethellred has a degree in Fine Arts AND Philosophy.

Bit of a lefty as well. He believes in equality, redistribution of wealth and revolution; until the good ship lollypop slams into an iceberg, and then he just wants to be first on the lifeboat.

Nice kid. Sharp as a bowling ball.
 

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I was a Literature/Music double major. I loved my classes. My Literature professor especially was awesome. Made the likes of Dickens, Tolstoy and Zola come alive.
Life can be long and tedious so it's good to spend time reveling in music and literature instead of the constant pursuit of more money.
 

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Be wary mate. Gethellred has a degree in Fine Arts AND Philosophy.

Bit of a lefty as well. He believes in equality, redistribution of wealth and revolution; until the good ship lollypop slams into an iceberg, and then he just wants to be first on the lifeboat.

Nice kid. Sharp as a bowling ball.
Best not let the rest of the polo club know we're on speaking terms, ET. They won't invite you back for cognac after the biannual serf kicking this quarter, and that's where all the best gossip is at these days.
You're response doesn't surprise me.
Neither does yours.

You've popped up a video, in which they've not really discussed what the Frankfurt school actually say in their works - and I have my own disputes with the content - but have essentially jumped on it as bad. I actually don't mind Claire Lehmann and read Quilette, but she's pandering there to his intellectual vanity by going with him when he suggests something.

That interview has all the intellectual rigor of a patisserie. But then, you're surprisingly accepting of things you already agree with.
 

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You've popped up a video, in which they've not really discussed what the Frankfurt school actually say in their works - and I have my own disputes with the content - but have essentially jumped on it as bad. I actually don't mind Claire Lehmann and read Quilette, but she's pandering there to his intellectual vanity by going with him when he suggests something.
You're really showing off that arts degree now.

That interview has all the intellectual rigor of a patisserie. But then, you're surprisingly accepting of things you already agree with.
If you thought that was bad, just wait until you check out the Collingwood racism report!
 

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If you thought that was bad, just wait until you check out the Collingwood racism report!
I had a look at the thread on the Collingwood board and I saw your comments, Snake. I've got a question, though; how is your agreement with this interview - which espouses something you already agree with - any different to the exact thing you criticize the authors of the Collingwood report?
 

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I had a look at the thread on the Collingwood board and I saw your comments, Snake. I've got a question, though; how is your agreement with this interview - which espouses something you already agree with - any different to the exact thing you criticize the authors of the Collingwood report?
1) It reinforces the academic infiltration of young minds which has a significant capability to destabilise society as it progresses.
2) It also highlights how the traditional working class has been abandoned by this infiltration in to the left political parties.
 

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1) It reinforces the academic infiltration of young minds which has a significant capability to destabilise society as it progresses.
2) It also highlights how the traditional working class has been abandoned by this infiltration in to the left political parties.
She links the Frankfurt school with an attempt at cultural infiltration by marxists via academia. I majored in history, and did a little critical theory as well. History is not taught that way, not at university level, which is her specific complaint in that video. I'm not so filled with hubris to say that I know how it is everywhere, but outside of sociology or the specific sphere of critical theory, it doesn't come up. Foucault is the one most talk about, and that's largely because he is infinitely more useful than the others who are niche at best.

I can see why this would be a problem, if it was happening. I do not see it happening, and this kind of video is not convincing to that end.
 

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She links the Frankfurt school with an attempt at cultural infiltration by marxists via academia. I majored in history, and did a little critical theory as well. History is not taught that way, not at university level, which is her specific complaint in that video. I'm not so filled with hubris to say that I know how it is everywhere, but outside of sociology or the specific sphere of critical theory, it doesn't come up. Foucault is the one most talk about, and that's largely because he is infinitely more useful than the others who are niche at best.

I can see why this would be a problem, if it was happening. I do not see it happening, and this kind of video is not convincing to that end.
Now, you know that a lot of this loaded terminology is open to a myriad of interpretations, and I think you're clued in enough to know better.

A classic take is Jordan Peterson & cultural Marxism, which has the wokesters sprinting to their copies of Das Kapital in order to show the world how he's wrong, when his use of the word has little to do with the historically specified context.

In fact, this is where the arts fu** up in a major way, proper context.

Conflict Theory has invited all manner of bizarre interpretations that have no sensible correlation.
 

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Now, you know that a lot of this loaded terminology is open to a myriad of interpretations, and I think you're clued in enough to know better.

A classic take is Jordan Peterson & cultural Marxism, which has the wokesters sprinting to their copies of Das Kapital in order to show the world how he's wrong, when his use of the word has little to do with that historically specified context.

In fact, this is where the arts fu** up in a major way, proper context.

Conflict Theory has invited all manner of bizarre interpretations that have no sensible correlation.
I agree with the final sentence.

I haven't been involved with JP's culture war stuff, largely because it doesn't interest me. I look at this sh*t as a smokescreen to the Right vs Left economics; when we can keep the lights on and people clothed, fed and sheltered, then we can talk about whether the wallpaper's offensive.

I think arts degrees are less about what's being taught and more about teaching how to learn and learn quickly, as well as how to demonstrate/use that learning in an adequate way. Some subjects - economics falls within an arts degree, as does history - have more valuable content, and others less so, but I'm hardly going to tell people what they can't learn or read as an adult or what they can't study.

Lehmann in that interview talks about how she will advise her kids not to study some subjects because she feels they won't be useful. This overlooks the fact that most of what you learn over the course of your life isn't useful, but the process of learning itself is useful.
 

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I agree with the final sentence.
Well, you are different to many lefties in that philosophical training would have given you a significant focus on "reason", which is basically a foreign word in other ideologically based fields.

Some subjects - economics falls within an arts degree, as does history - have more valuable content, and others less so, but I'm hardly going to tell people what they can't learn or read as an adult or what they can't study.

Lehmann in that interview talks about how she will advise her kids not to study some subjects because she feels they won't be useful. This overlooks the fact that most of what you learn over the course of your life isn't useful, but the process of learning itself is useful.
Most arts disciplines have some value, but it's the way they have been narrowly programmed over the past 30-40 years which has given rise to most of the collective being assigned to the academic toilet. It's largely bureaucratic driven, and backed up by political sycophancy.
 

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This is a worthy thread.
Nah, why discuss billions wasted on humanities departments in Australia when we can discuss the oncoming nazi zombie apocolypse?

#priorities.

Most arts disciplines have some value, but it's the way they have been narrowly programmed over the past 30-40 years which has given rise to most of the collective being assigned to the academic toilet. It's largely bureaucratic driven, and backed up by political sycophancy.
Thats like saying most of Freos trading decisions in the late 90s / early 2000s were of value.
 

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Be wary mate. Gethellred has a degree in Fine Arts AND Philosophy.

Bit of a lefty as well. He believes in equality, redistribution of wealth and revolution; until the good ship lollypop slams into an iceberg, and then he just wants to be first on the lifeboat.

Nice kid. Sharp as a bowling ball.
She probably also puts more faith in scientific expertise than YouTube videos created in Russian troll factories. Whereas you're way to smart to fall for science :thumbsu:
 

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If watching a YouTube clip trumps all the scientific qualifications and expertise in the world, how much more valuable is it than undertaking a lowly humanities degree like, say, studying a foreign language?

Anyway, real Ausies don't go to university to learn Wog, or philosophy, or literature, or art, or science, do they SB?

 

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