The Jamarra Thread

[Mutt]

Luke Goetz was not a very well known player. Ending his contract had very little optics attached to it.

I agree the contract situation has nothing to do with JUHs race. My point was the optics of ending the contract of a high profile player looks bad for everyone.

If that's your view, then don't mention Jamarra's race. It is irrelevant.

 

[Northernsoul74]

The difference is he can’t even turn up to training and is partying before games, that conduct is not prevalent for professional afl players. I think you’d be naive enough to think he is only drinking as well. The club/s know it’s more than just a small issue..

Drinking is all it needs to be. Drinking can and often does destroy lives.

 

[Philthy1]

If that's your view, then don't mention Jamarra's race. It is irrelevant.

My error.

 

[cleveland]

Taking the piss, turn up now and again to keep getting paid, go to the pub with his mates and post it on IG to rub it in.

Bailey sniff style

 

[Foxman98]

We did sack Goetz, but the AFL needs to agree to any such action as they are a party to all player contracts. AFL will not allow a pick #1 to be terminated.

Luke was offered the chance for the pay out which he accepted as it wasn’t for him Marra would have to agree to that

 

[Philthy1]

Luke was offered the chance for the pay out which he accepted as it wasn’t for him Marra would have to agree to that

Call it what you will. The contract was ended earlier than planned.

Pursuing other opportunities, spending time with family, tending to the garden….

 

[The White Mouse]

I'm just not buying that it's not possible to terminate his contract without his agreement. If he is in gross breach of contract then it should be possible. Not only possible, but desirable.

 

[Foxman98]

Call it what you will. The contract was ended earlier than planned.

Pursuing other opportunities, spending time with family, tending to the garden….

Yes but if he doesn’t accept it you can’t do it

 

[House_of_Dahl]

I'm just not buying that it's not possible to terminate his contract without his agreement. If he is in gross breach of contract then it should be possible. Not only possible, but desirable.

Yeah I agree there has to more to it. Clearly there has to be some point at which it is a clear breach of contract.

Like if he refused to ever show up to training or play games then it's kinda ridiculous to think we couldn't terminate his contract.

 

[Dogs_r_barking]

Yeah I agree there has to more to it. Clearly there has to be some point at which it is a clear breach of contract.

Like if he refused to ever show up to training or play games then it's kinda ridiculous to think we couldn't terminate his contract.

There is probably several clauses written about the players physical and mental health, effecting his ability to play.

 

[immortalmike]

I’ve taken most frustrations from posters in here as a way of dealing with the fact that he’s actually dearly missed and that we want him back playing ASAP. Some go to the extreme but I think most have been pretty respectful.
I think everyone here respects mental health issues and what he’s going through.

Unfortunately, I don't think everybody does.

I agree on the frustration. But that's a pretty poor excuse from people who should know better.

 

[Mutt]

I'm just not buying that it's not possible to terminate his contract without his agreement. If he is in gross breach of contract then it should be possible. Not only possible, but desirable.

It is probably possible to terminate the contract if the club and AFL agree to do that. The problem is that the AFL is unlikely to buy a fight with the AFLPA unless there is absolutely no other course of action. The AFL would need to be more concerned about the consequences of not terminating the contract than they are about the AFLPA's reaction.

Jamarra's behaviour and contract are not a very serious problem for the AFL (at this time.)

 

[The White Mouse]

It is probably possible to terminate the contract if the club and AFL agree to do that. The problem is that the AFL is unlikely to buy a fight with the AFLPA unless there is absolutely no other course of action. The AFL would need to be more concerned about the consequences of not terminating the contract than they are about the AFLPA's reaction.

Jamarra's behaviour and contract are not a very serious problem for the AFL (at this time.)

Possibly so. Whether the clubs at large might get a little nervous and vocal about a lack of recourse should they find themselves in a similar situation could be a consideration for the AFL.

In our case, this case, we've done our chips. List management gambled and lost and we'll endure the circus surrounding it with zero residual value at the end.

If we must pay, and it seems we must, I'd prefer we pay him to be nowhere near the place. Assist as obliged under contract with any counselling from non-club sources but essentially wiped from the list and all or any club engagements and barred from club facilities.

 

[TiAn_]

Why would we sack him and get nothing out of a trade? He’s not old mate from North that was doing actual gross criminal stuff. Not sure why we’re talking about that as an option.

 

[Dogs_r_barking]

Why would we sack him and get nothing out of a trade? He’s not old mate from North that was doing actual gross criminal stuff. Not sure why we’re talking about that as an option.

And he isn’t facing alleged rape charges like another player at another club, who is conveniently out of sight at the moment, and certainly no interest to the media.

 

[grassman75]

And he isn’t facing alleged rape charges like another player at another club, who is conveniently out of sight at the moment, and certainly no interest to the media.

Cmon DRB….that poor player you are talking about has a very serious finger injury….that is all. It’s causing him so much pain that he can’t be seen

 

[The White Mouse]

And he isn’t facing alleged rape charges like another player at another club, who is conveniently out of sight at the moment, and certainly no interest to the media.

We are aren't talking about gross misconduct or criminal endeavour (AFAIK) in this case DRB, we are talking about gross breach of contract.

My angle would be repeated failure to present himself in a fit and proper state to train, play or be considered for selection and the result would be termination of contract with immediate effect.

We then move on immediately. Any future contact he has with the club is through the welfare officer only and any future AFL aspirations can be handled by the players or past players association ... who also have resources to assist troubled souls, as well as his own considerable resources .... if he's inclined to invest in his own present and future well-being.

 

[W W Biscuit]

Jokes aside.
There is to me these days in general no accountability for ones actions. This isn't just footy, its everywhere now. Everything has an excuse. That's why our justice system, schools, families are failing.
Everything is met with "oh please don't be so harsh, you don't know what they're going through".
Screw this generations softy approach to everything anyone does wrong because its not exactly going very swimmingly out there in the world at present tracking the way it is with the modern day sooky la la approach to everything.
There needs to be accountability, wage cuts for one. Continue messing up, get out.
Its not nice the path JUH has chosen to take, hope he wakes up how stupid it is.
But, he's old enough to drink, drive, vote, marry, be a father. He's old enough that if he committed a serious crime to goes to an adult prison. This "oh he's only 22" he hasn't grown yet!
That's right, 22 not a baby, child, teen, he's an adult. Any other job if you stuffed up just half of what these unaccountable clowns do your fired, demoted, your held accountable. You don't say to the boss "oh boss, im only 22, I haven't grown yet. Could you please embrace and nurture me and keep paying me my full wage. Ill see you next fortnight, got a few parties and pubs to go to, chow! During that time boss sees you on social media at a night out fancy dress wearing a tutu with your blind as maggot mates throwing down tequilas, then selfies with droopy eyed mates and is he supposed to think "oh dear, little fellas had a hard time growing up, he's only 22 after all.
The weak as p*** generation.
I hope he gets his life back on track. But this no real accountability other than "oooh look how people are ragging on him isn't that punishment enough!" Is enough to make one want to throw up at times.

I'm not saying that I was any more or less mature as a 22 year old, back in the day, than JUH. But the language we use to frame conversations about young men has certainly changed. The idea that guys in their early 20s are 'just kids' would have seemed thoroughly strange a few decades ago. As you say...old enough to marry, vote, have children, be convicted of a crime...

It's an interesting topic that I come across regularly in the workplace as a secondary teacher. There is a lot of ambivalence in the profession about how we approach welfare and discipline. I'm actually pro a pastoral care approach, but to a point. What I also see is a breakdown of the relationship between actions and consequences. I don't think that we do enough with adolescents to educate them about personal responsibility, and what life is most likely going to be like when they graduate. It makes the transition from the schoolyard to adulthood more difficult than it already is.

 

[Libbaaaa]

I'm not saying that I was any more or less mature as a 22 year old, back in the day, than JUH. But the language we use to frame conversations about young men has certainly changed. The idea that guys in their early 20s are 'just kids' would have seemed thoroughly strange a few decades ago. As you say...old enough to marry, vote, have children, be convicted of a crime...

It's an interesting topic that I come across regularly in the workplace as a secondary teacher. There is a lot of ambivalence in the profession about how we approach welfare and discipline. I'm actually pro a pastoral care approach, but to a point. What I also see is a breakdown of the relationship between actions and consequences. I don't think that we do enough with adolescents to educate them about personal responsibility, and what life is most likely going to be like when they graduate. It makes the transition from the schoolyard to adulthood more difficult than it already is.

Couldn't agree more, one thing that always strikes me is the lack of resilience all the way from primary school children to young adults.

 

[dogwatch]

Couldn't agree more, one thing that always strikes me is the lack of resilience all the way from primary school children to young adults.

Over-protective parenting has an awful lot to do with it.

 

[oldfaithfuldog]

Unfortunately, I don't think everybody does.

I agree on the frustration. But that's a pretty poor excuse from people who should know better.

I think most actually do. But many, myself included, don’t believe it should be used as an excuse for ongoing poor conduct. Harry McKay & Tom Boyd have my absolute respect for how they handled their difficult period. JUHs issues seem largely self inflicted and ongoing. He has even said himself that he feels great, yet still acts up. To me, he is not professional enough to play AFL.

 

[The White Mouse]

I think most actually do. But many, myself included, don’t believe it should be used as an excuse for ongoing poor conduct. Harry McKay & Tom Boyd have my absolute respect for how they handled their difficult period. JUHs issues seem largely self inflicted and ongoing. He has even said himself that he feels great, yet still acts up. To me, he is not professional enough to play AFL.

There'll be enough enablers in his life. I don't think the club or its paying members need to number amongst them.

 

[TiAn_]

I knew it was Mike. Even when it was Jamarra I knew it was Mike.

 

[immortalmike]

I knew it was Mike. Even when it was Jamarra I knew it was Mike.

I'm always the problem Tian.
I'm why we can't win in Perth.
I'm the one who hurt Bont's calf.

Me and my "checks notes" caring about the mental health of humans I've never met.

 

[TiAn_]

I'm always the problem Tian.
I'm why we can't win in Perth.
I'm the one who hurt Bont's calf.

Me and my "checks notes" caring about the mental health of humans I've never met.

It starts with a bit of empathy and ends in a 20% tariff