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[dont bowl there]

At least now I can melt on draft night with the rest of the board.

 

[FreoRicci]

I have been critical of both the list management and the coaching staff in regards to the current forward line. When I got the chance to watch Hogan we was the exact opposite of Taberner, he would make 3-4 leads to try and lose his opponent before creating the separation needed. My gut feel from the cheap seats is that the coaching staff know this is an issue with Tabs but he's simply not smart enough (football smarts) to rectify game-day and due to the calamitous state of our forward line we have no alternative.

Never seen any of the draftees play so hope you are right on Amiss and we can pick him up!

It’s funny because against Richmond, Tabs was doing a great job at leading to the kicker. Got 4 shots directly from leading patterns. Such a bipolar footballer.

 

[tonygeeks]

Only the freo board would bag their only key forward. Not the recruitment team, definitely not the coaching, but the only forward who can actually take a mark.

The one season he didn't have a serious injury he finished equal 4th in the Coleman and second in the comp for contested marks. He also made the All Australian squad, despite playing in a very average team with the worst delievry in the comp.

But hey, well all know this place is a popularity contest and it's super cool to bag him right? Gotta love the nuffies on here

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[Docker82]

Tabs is more than ok. He's actually a damn good forward. I don't understand this logic of "doesn't kick bags of goals, confirmed spud" (not your words, others perception)

People refuse to acknowledge the very little help he gets from his forwards, the worst delievery in the competition and playing for, let's be honest here, a fairly average team. He was also coached very poorly under Lyon.

Other forwards kick more goals, but they also lack consistency, despite playing in better teams and having better opportunities. Tabs doesn't get enough credit here and he never will. People won't admit it, but it's similar to comparing ex partners, freo board is so use Pav we compare Tabs to him, so he's judged harshly.

Tabs isn't in the same category as Hawkins and Riewoldt, no doubt about that, but he's definitely a better than 'ok' forward who is severely underrated and under appreciated on this board.

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I think Taberner was ranked about 23 or so for goals this season.

Thing is he's missed games. Got to scroll up into the top ten in order to find a guy with more goals on average.

*I looked this up prior to Sunday's game so average wise he's gone down.

We're not talking a top five forward in the league by any stretch but those complaining about how many goals he kicks need to get themselves out of 1990s.

 

[raffrox]

Tabs isn't good enough to carry a forward line by himself but he is still a very good player. Over the last three seasons he's kicked 1.92 goals per game. Over the 39 games he's played he's had three games where he hasn't kicked a goal so over that period he kicks at least one goal 92.3% of the time.

That's in a forward line that has been pretty dysfunctional and that has lacked a consistent second tall target. Over the last two weeks that has been a 19 year old and a guy with one career goal.

Over that same period (and this year) he's had a 66% conversion rate (i.e. kicks 2 goals for every one behind). That's a bloody amazing conversion rate for our team, that's for sure.

He's not a superstar but what do people expect from a guy that is largely a single tall target or who is along side a makeshift second tall for most of the last few years?

 

[raffrox]

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I was. Tabs wasn't why we lost. Tabs isn't even in the top 10 reasons why we lost.

 

[tonygeeks]

I’ve worked with Jye a little bit in the early years, but recently saw some drone footage of his work rate in a scratch match from preseason. His movement & leading patterns is the best I’ve seen from a young forward, which I have mentioned previously.
I have also mentioned he has done very little elite training compared to others being a late bloomer that he still has a lot of improvement in him.
He’s a great kid as well.

Edit, for the training watchers, just out of interest do we use drones to view our trainings for later use, in particular our forward structures & movement?

The footage is ridiculously good for tracking players movements & leading patterns.

Can’t wait for this next year

Sam Sturt - Drone strike - season


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[edward powlett]

Tabs isn't good enough to carry a forward line by himself but he is still a very good player. Over the last three seasons he's kicked 1.92 goals per game. Over the 39 games he's played he's had three games where he hasn't kicked a goal so over that period he kicks at least one goal 92.3% of the time.

That's in a forward line that has been pretty dysfunctional and that has lacked a consistent second tall target. Over the last two weeks that has been a 19 year old and a guy with one career goal.

Over that same period (and this year) he's had a 66% conversion rate (i.e. kicks 2 goals for every one behind). That's a bloody amazing conversion rate for our team, that's for sure.

He's not a superstar but what do people expect from a guy that is largely a single tall target or who is along side a makeshift second tall for most of the last few years?

Even Pavlich was critical of Tabs refusing to push off his opponent and lead at the ball carrier.
Healy knows a fairbit about football as well.He thinks Tabs is workman like as a foward.
Treacy seems to defer to Tabs as the number one foward so hopefully that changes next season.

 

[wakojako]

Tabs is a pretty good forward but realistically, he will never kick 40+ goals for us. Kicking 30+ is considered a good season for him. Without meaning offense he doesn't possess any footy smarts and can be a liability to our forwards. If we draft well enough to make him the 3rd KPF we will make it to finals.

 

[wakojako]

Anyone got any goss on Dardy?

 

[raffrox]

Even Pavlich was critical of Tabs refusing to push off his opponent and lead at the ball carrier.
Healy knows a fairbit about football as well.He thinks Tabs is workman like as a foward.
Treacy seems to defer to Tabs as the number one foward so hopefully that changes next season.

There was a fair amount to be critical of in that game I reckon.

 

[hoss]

Tabs is a pretty good forward but realistically, he will never kick 40+ goals for us. Kicking 30+ is considered a good season for him. Without meaning offense he doesn't possess any footy smarts and can be a liability to our forwards. If we draft well enough to make him the 3rd KPF we will make it to finals.

Only because of injury. Would have definitely kicked 40+ this year and last if he'd played more games, longer quarters in 2020 etc. He's kicked 33 this year in about 14 games (13 if you consider he was injured early v Coll). Pav kicked 21, 25, 31, 40 and 46 in 5 of his last 6 seasons. Hard gig playing a solo tall forward.

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[Madas]

I’ve worked with Jye a little bit in the early years, but recently saw some drone footage of his work rate in a scratch match from preseason. His movement & leading patterns is the best I’ve seen from a young forward, which I have mentioned previously.
I have also mentioned he has done very little elite training compared to others being a late bloomer that he still has a lot of improvement in him.
He’s a great kid as well.

Edit, for the training watchers, just out of interest do we use drones to view our trainings for later use, in particular our forward structures & movement?

The footage is ridiculously good for tracking players movements & leading patterns.

Great feedback
Trust your judgment , I’m in !
Is it possible to share this footage ?
Probably best not to put it in a social platform I guess ?

 

[Madas]

He can be our number 1 KPF. He needs to be surrounded by two more talls and smalls. Lobb is injured with Treacy only 19. On the weekend he had ******* Meek as another option. It’s pathetic list management. Combined with probably the worst small forwards in the competition, pretty impossible. Hawkins kicks 40 a year with the quality around him. West coast another examples

Exactly
This Tabs knocking is pretty ridiculous.
He can’t lead and contest all at the same time can he , guys only human .
It’s pretty simple really
You need 2 lead up forwards ( to use the Slime as an example) Allen and Darling.
Kennedy ( Tabs) does some lead up but mostly contests . Think about where Kennedy takes a lot of his shots from , yep correct - in the pockets .
Because he plays deep and that’s his space .
Tabs isn’t near Kennedy but he’s not that bad either .
We lack bloody goals because Hogan , MCarthy and Sturt aren’t bloody there right now leading up like they should be .
Instead we have an 18 year old Treacy giving it a red hot crack .
Throw whatever we have at this Amiss fella , he sounds like the goods .
Offload Lobb , doesn’t seem to have the hunger to perform consistently and seems regularly injured .

 

[Bring back Drum]

Great feedback
Trust your judgment , I’m in !
Is it possible to share this footage ?
Probably best not to put it in a social platform I guess ?

Haha, no unfortunately I don’t have the footage.

 

[tonygeeks]

I was. Tabs wasn't why we lost. Tabs isn't even in the top 10 reasons why we lost.

Yeah well I don’t know how you could watch that and not be frustrated with the bloke

They smacked us all over the park but the way Tabs played sure didn’t help our cause much


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[beetz]

I have watched enough of Taberner live to form an opinion that he is not a damn good forward. Would love for Fox Footy to run an analysis of his leading patterns compared to all the other number one key forwards in the comp. Rarely does he lead, double back and use a block to get separation, he would much prefer to stand and call for the ball on his head or even worse impact a contest where we clearly have the upper hand.

100%!
finally someone said it. Taberners leading patters are appalling. Not only does he just stand there and call for it like the big kid in jnr footy who has a mismatch on a back pocket but he also leads away from ball carrier toward goal (not to fat side). Itlike he is expecting someone to all of a sudden kick it 80m!

 

[JammoMonty]

Tom Lynch? Absolutely hell no. He’s a creator more then a medium forward. Sturt is that guy.

4 games in 3 seasons…

 

[Taylor]

I expect Sturt to play more games than Lynch over the next two years.

 

[JammoMonty]

Tom Lynch? Absolutely hell no. He’s a creator more then a medium forward. Sturt is that guy.

2 things immediately spring to mind.
Firstly our forward 50 entries are inconsistent & unpredictable which makes it difficult for any forward to be confident enough to do all those things you suggest. Every forward likes an element of predictability.
Secondly if those points you mention are the case, then he is not & has not ever been given any coaching to correct them. They are full time employees & there is no excuse for not improving.

If you get the chance, watch Jye Amiss & his work off the ball, it is exactly as you describe plus more. Very hard to defend.

Wrong! Harry McKay is leading the Coleman medal. Fed up the field by blokes like Dow, Walsh and Curnow who have average forward entry disposal entries. It’s the work when you’re a kick away from the contest that matters most. I’ve spoken to freo development staff. Tabs is the dumbest mofo going around. He isn’t smart enough to create that 5-10m block or communicate between other fwds. He’d rather try and out body the no1 defender or lead to a pocket and mark it behind a pack Prefer Lobb over Tabs all day long.

 

[The Big Doggy]

Anyone got any goss on Dardy?

 

[Fat Nyfe]

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Maybe he means entering the draft? Can't see a chance in hell that he becomes a Freo player again.

 

[Belnakor]

Maybe he means entering the draft? Can't see a chance in hell that he becomes a Freo player again.

I think he is saying he wants to get back.

How has his form in the WAFL been anyway

 

[andreww90]

100%!
finally someone said it. Taberners leading patters are appalling. Not only does he just stand there and call for it like the big kid in jnr footy who has a mismatch on a back pocket but he also leads away from ball carrier toward goal (not to fat side). Itlike he is expecting someone to all of a sudden kick it 80m!

The Tabs knocking is a joke, he is one of Fremantles hardest working players and has developed into a pretty decent player. Averaging 2.4 goals a game this season that’s more than Josh Kennedy, Max King, jack darling, Brody Mihocek, jake stringer, Cale Hooker, Charlie Dixon. He works hard to always present and contest and give Fremantle and outer option. His leading patterns aren’t a problem, the problem is the delivery and little space for him to lead into. I think Taberner is just an easy target for some posters him as a player himself is the least of Fremantles worries.

 

[Superkoops]

I think he is saying he wants to get back.

How has his form in the WAFL been anyway

He hasn’t played WAFL since mid-May. His averages have been 7.5 possessions, 2.5 marks and 0.3 goals per game.

Perhaps he means he’ll be back at South’s. Either way watching him play WAFL league and reserves this year and the condition his body is in - no way on earth he’ll be back in the AFL system.