Rules The new man on the mark rule is utterly ridiculous.

[Madas]

Popular as ever you ever spent any time in a primary school? Most kids couldn’t give sh*te about the game. The baby boomers are keeping it going the way it is. They live for the game, grew up thinking it was the be all playing footy on a weekend. A lot of kids go play a year or two then don’t ever play again. And then spend a lot of time watching other children play video games on YouTube or interact with them playing live. They ain’t growing up watching 6 games a week or living for their sides game on the weekend. They’ll be your once a month entertainment only a big game crowd and when the boomers start disappearing what are you left with? A bunch of old blokes talking about the good old days.

Have To disagree somewhat
Our junior footy club is busier than ever
The kids love it , if they could play non stop for four hours on a Saturday they would
Plus games during the week if we could facilitate them
Footy tragics like me have bought their kids into the game and they in turn have realised how amazing a sport it is . Not to mention the importance of the club environment that we provide to our teens to help them through their difficult times .
From monitoring their mental health to giving them a getaway from dysfunctional home lives to helping them get jobs within the community.
Footy is more than just a game

 

[Dogs till i die]

Don’t be ridiculous.

But during one game on the weekend I saw 3 stand up tackles in a row in 30 seconds where the ball carrier lost hold of the ball and dropped it on the ground.

Dropping the ball continues to grind my gears no end.

There’s only two ways to get rid of the ball out of ones hands

Either handball it with a fist from an open palm or drop it onto ones foot and kick it

This crap has been going on longer than the flick pass lasted ffs

Correct - only 2 ways to get rid of the ball - kick or handball - but that is only valid where the ball carrier is deemed to have had "prior opportunity". If they have, losing control of the ball and dropping it should be penalised. If they haven't had PO, they only have to attempt to kick or handpass (can fresh air an attempted kick or handpass, whilst if the tackle knocks the ball from the player in possession, its play on.

I suggest the 2 scenarios, resulting in what appears to be inconsistent umpiring (its not inconsistent but correct), is the reason this part of the game grinds your gears.

 

[faible]

Correct - only 2 ways to get rid of the ball - kick or handball - but that is only valid where the ball carrier is deemed to have had "prior opportunity". If they have, losing control of the ball and dropping it should be penalised. If they haven't had PO, they only have to attempt to kick or handpass (can fresh air an attempted kick or handpass, whilst if the tackle knocks the ball from the player in possession, its play on.

I suggest the 2 scenarios, resulting in what appears to be inconsistent umpiring (its not inconsistent but correct), is the reason this part of the game grinds your gears.

Supports Bulldogs. Thinks incorrect disposal rule is fine. Checks out.

 

[sprockets]

‘It would be nice to have some sort of say’: AFL’s newest skipper critical of new rules

Players might not like the rule changes but they admit they will adjust, with some even conceding the game might improve as a spectacle as a result.

www.theage.com.au

"The AFL’s youngest captain Jack Steele

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does not support the new man on the mark rule introduced in 2021 to open up play, with the Saint suggesting “a lot of players” don’t agree with it. ..."

PS. "Speaking on the new interchange cap, which has been reduced to 75 rotations per game, Steele said he expected increased player fatigue would lead to more injuries and test clubs’ depth."

 

[HPKS]

‘It would be nice to have some sort of say’: AFL’s newest skipper critical of new rules

Players might not like the rule changes but they admit they will adjust, with some even conceding the game might improve as a spectacle as a result.

www.theage.com.au

"The AFL’s youngest captain Jack Steele

9

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Age

29

Ht

187cm

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20.9

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HB

12.2

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M

3.7

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T

6.8

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CL

3.6

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D

21.3

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10.0

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4.0

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does not support the new man on the mark rule introduced in 2021 to open up play, with the Saint suggesting “a lot of players” don’t agree with it. ..."

PS. "Speaking on the new interchange cap, which has been reduced to 75 rotations per game, Steele said he expected increased player fatigue would lead to more injuries and test clubs’ depth."

closed minded to the fact there is definitely other ways to play the game apart from cross country running up & down the ground to create zones.

Consider this and I’ll agree it sounds simplistic but the jist of it is if you don’t run your forwards & defenders up and down the ground all game that means there’s 75, I agree it would work out less but still plenty, rotations for the midfield which is plenty.

Maybe consider the alternative of continuing with your defenders being part of your defensive zone down back without trying to also be part of your midfield setup which really is a zone & your forward setup/zone. It’s laughable but understandable as I’ve posted before that they don’t know anything else.

 

[Mitchell Madness]

Correct - only 2 ways to get rid of the ball - kick or handball - but that is only valid where the ball carrier is deemed to have had "prior opportunity". If they have, losing control of the ball and dropping it should be penalised. If they haven't had PO, they only have to attempt to kick or handpass (can fresh air an attempted kick or handpass, whilst if the tackle knocks the ball from the player in possession, its play on.

I suggest the 2 scenarios, resulting in what appears to be inconsistent umpiring (its not inconsistent but correct), is the reason this part of the game grinds your gears.

The issue with incorrect disposal is that it assumes that there's a valid way to dispose of the ball into play. With the deliberate out of bounds rules it means players get penalised even when disposing of the ball correctly

 

[BigBreakfast]

"If a Player does not dispose of the football within a reasonable time, or attempts to dispose of the football other than in a direct line over The Mark, the field Umpire shall call ‘Play On’ and the football shall immediately be in play."



Hmm...

Should have been play on at the 4th step when he deviated from the “line”. Look at the poor bugger on the mark! Witches hat and an ordinary look.

 

[faible]

closed minded to the fact there is definitely other ways to play the game apart from cross country running up & down the ground to create zones.

Yes. But they’re less likely to result in a win.

 

[HPKS]

Yes. But they’re less likely to result in a win.

No use having a game plan that breaks down due to it being unsustainable long term due to injuries.

 

[FlowersByIrene]

No use having a game plan that breaks down due to it being unsustainable long term due to injuries.

Only because of AFL forced rule changes...

 

[Dogs till i die]

Supports Bulldogs. Thinks incorrect disposal rule is fine. Checks out.

Problem is many don't know the rules, including many commentators and ex-players who have played the game for many years. The outcome could be different where a player has had prior opportunity and the next tackle where the player hasn't had PO.

I hear it in the stands every week - "be consistent ump", but its difficult when PO / no PO is considered.

Beaten the Bombers 9 (?) times in a row, so I'll excuse the sarcasm.

 

[faible]

Problem is many don't know the rules, including many commentators and ex-players who have played the game for many years. The outcome could be different where a player has had prior opportunity and the next tackle where the player hasn't had PO.

I hear it in the stands every week - "be consistent ump", but its difficult when PO / no PO is considered.

Beaten the Bombers 9 (?) times in a row, so I'll excuse the sarcasm.

Not sure how the bolded is relevant to the point.

The Dogs have form for getting away with dropping / throwing the ball more than any other team I've watched over the past 5 years, you'd be fairly aware of the general thoughts on this by now given you've been on BigFooty since 2003, and even other AFL clubs have complained to the AFL about it.

Bevo bites back at umpire bias claims

PREMIERSHIP coach Luke Beveridge says it is “extremely concerning” if rival clubs questioned the integrity of umpires amid claims of preferential treatment of the Dogs.

www.perthnow.com.au

The prior opportunity rule is all over the shop, and incorrect disposal is very inconsistently and poorly umpired because there's simply way too much grey area.

If the umpire has to use psychic abilities to interpret whether the player thought of maybe correctly disposing of the ball, even if they didn't, it's a bad rule. One of the worst currently for inconsistencies. That we see players flopping about on the ground doing a salmon impression to pretend they're trying to dispose of the ball only further illustrates this.

 

[Lavender Bushranger]

Not to mention the importance of the club environment that we provide to our teens to help them through their difficult times .
From monitoring their mental health to giving them a getaway from dysfunctional home lives to helping them get jobs within the community.

Side topic....but I don't want my kids playing footy because of the club environment. Although it can be a good thing in some cases, it's ****ing toxic generally.

I personally loved the footy club environment when I was younger - but there's no doubting the fact that it taught me a lot of bad behaviours and overall was leading me down a path of underachievement.

 

[greatwhiteshark]

Side topic....but I don't want my kids playing footy for the club environment. Although it can be a good thing in some cases, it's ******* toxic generally.

I personally loved the footy club environment when I was younger - but there's no doubting the fact that it taught me a lot of bad behaviours and overall was leading me down a path of underachievement.

Interesting comment mate, I think one of the things our young people are missing out on is this club type environment and the social skills you develop spending time in large groups with many different personality's.
I have always thought myself so lucky that I played so much sport my whole life and met so many people who some have become my best mates and most are just acquaintances. I am now watching our younger generation who for many of them have not had much of an involvement in groups, teams etc and some of them really struggle socially, not all of course.
Like anywhere in the world you can be led into bad behaviours etc but it seems more younger people seem to be having problems these days than ever before. have no idea what the reason is why so many of our younger generation are struggling with Mental health, anxiety etc but maybe. just maybe a small part of it could be the non participation in group activities? I am however no expert and are just guessing as I don't understand why so many issues seem to be occurring for our younger generation now.
My wife and I are certainly trying to encourage our Grand Children who are still very young to be involved with team sport and group activities. Ultimately they will make their own decisions down the track.

 

[Lavender Bushranger]

Interesting comment mate, I think one of the things our young people are missing out on is this club type environment and the social skills you develop spending time in large groups with many different personality's.
I have always thought myself so lucky that I played so much sport my whole life and met so many people who some have become my best mates and most are just acquaintances. I am now watching our younger generation who for many of them have not had much of an involvement in groups, teams etc and some of them really struggle socially, not all of course.
Like anywhere in the world you can be led into bad behaviours etc but it seems more younger people seem to be having problems these days than ever before. have no idea what the reason is why so many of our younger generation are struggling with Mental health, anxiety etc but maybe. just maybe a small part of it could be the non participation in group activities? I am however no expert and are just guessing as I don't understand why so many issues seem to be occurring for our younger generation now.
My wife and I are certainly trying to encourage our Grand Children who are still very young to be involved with team sport and group activities. Ultimately they will make their own decisions down the track.

Team sport is great - but I see that as different to the 'club culture'.

My weekends consisted of playing footy, idolising the old bar flies that hung around the club and talked about how great they used to be, getting blind drunk, gambling, picking up chicks for sport, getting into fights....rinse and repeat. Basically, the epitome of 'toxic male culture'. All of which was not only fostered by the blokey club culture, it was actually revered.

The only difference with modern clubs as far as I'm aware, is that drugs have replaced booze.

Don't get me wrong - I loved it at the time. Absolutely loved it. But there's no doubt that I'm a far better person for having bailed out at a relatively young age.

The team sport part is great for kids, and adults. But it's the hanging around a 'club' full of deadshits that is an issue IMO. Great blokes usually, but deadshits nonetheless.

 

[greatwhiteshark]

Team sport is great - but I see that as different to the 'club culture'.

My weekends consisted of playing footy, idolising the old bar flies that hung around the club and talked about how great they used to be, getting blind drunk, gambling, picking up chicks for sport, getting into fights....rinse and repeat. Basically, the epitome of 'toxic male culture'. All of which was not only fostered by the blokey club culture, it was actually revered.

The only difference with modern clubs as far as I'm aware, is that drugs have replaced booze.

Don't get me wrong - I loved it at the time. Absolutely loved it. But there's no doubt that I'm a far better person for having bailed out at a relatively young age.

The team sport part is great for kids, and adults. But it's the hanging around a 'club' full of deadshits that is an issue IMO. Great blokes usually, but deadshits nonetheless.

Deadshits are part of society unfortunately and you don't need to go to a sporting club to find them. Club cultures have changed a lot over the last decade but yes you are correct those rusted on old members reliving their glory days are still there and anti change.
You can't hide from the world and I find there is more rabble than ever before floating around these days, each to their own of course but I would rather go and have a beer at my local footy club than out in public with the younger generation.

 

[HPKS]

Only because of AFL forced rule changes...

Every rule change is a forced rule change one way or another. Pushed along by some and not others. I’m not in the conspiracy theory camp of more goals more add breaks or the old justify my job so I’ll make a change.

Most people don’t like change and imo that’s what all the complaints I’ve read are. A lot of casual fans, that’s what the majority of people that watch games are, are sick of the congested slog that’s dressed up as the “modern game”.

 

[FlowersByIrene]

Every rule change is a forced rule change one way or another. Pushed along by some and not others. I’m not in the conspiracy theory camp of more goals more add breaks or the old justify my job so I’ll make a change.

Most people don’t like change and imo that’s what all the complaints I’ve read are. A lot of casual fans, that’s what the majority of people that watch games are, are sick of the congested slog that’s dressed up as the “modern game”.

Well you should be...

 

[JoondalupJ]

I gotta laugh at the two extreme's.
It's either the best thing since slice bread or the end of the world as we know it.

Right????

 

[Madas]

Deadshits are part of society unfortunately and you don't need to go to a sporting club to find them. Club cultures have changed a lot over the last decade but yes you are correct those rusted on old members reliving their glory days are still there and anti change.
You can't hide from the world and I find there is more rabble than ever before floating around these days, each to their own of course but I would rather go and have a beer at my local footy club than out in public with the younger generation.

 

[Madas]

I can't speak for every club and I'm hearing what Great White is saying but that isn't what I'm seeing at our local regional club
I'll point out a couple of really good things I'm seeing and part of :

After Thursday night an older couple who have been part of the club for many years put on dinner for the players and supporters. They cook all day , huge home cooked meals . Then the coaches do their presentations for the last weeks games .It encourages the under 16's to mingle and talk with the older guys . It introduces them to life members who simply want to see the club survive. They don't mind a beer but aren't bar flys and are truly passionate about supporting the club as they understand how important it is for the town and the youth .

another thing is a couple of the senior players have taken on the role of colts coaches the last couple of years . Couldn't get a better connection to keep the youth involved in the club

the drinking is gonna happen no matter what , personally I like having a beer with my 18 year old and his mates after a game . I coach and train with them therefore have fun , keep fit , get to know them and say connected to youth , which in turn makes me feel younger .
If he wasn't there he'd probably be at his mates place and I wouldn't be part of it .

Finally I and other business owners employ purple from the club and provide apprenticeships to the youth

not at all bad from where I stand

 

[Ace It Up]

Can i ask a question?

When two or three blokes gang tackle someone, do all 3 get a Tackle stat for it?

Not sure if "the norm" but more than once last year was watching last game of round for supercoach points so am basing comment on that. Found if free awarded, tackle stat/points went to player awarded free. No free, throw ball up, no tackle stat for anyone it appeared.

 

[Ace It Up]

I’ve just seen port not man the mark at all for a period of play. Instead they have chosen to zone off the ball and man space.

Who would’ve thought there’d be an unintended ultra defensive reaction to a rule that hasn’t been properly thought out...

Saw Essendon players try that this weekend too. But one time backfired badly. Essendon player was running towards oppo player as ball had been kicked that way. Oppo marked ball. Dons player took 2-3 steps before pulling up but still 1-2 metres short of the mark. He immediately tried to run off - away from the mark but got pinged 50. Got pinged real quick - too quick I thought.

 

[Ace It Up]

Yeh go back and read the bit about the postage stamp. You're on a small island. I get that people hate a team being dominant, I've hated that in the past too and that's fine, hate away but to say Richmond's style isn't an exciting spectacle shows you have no idea what you're talking about imo.

What you're seeing as boring is only one team trying to clog the game up and it ain't Richmond. Richmond try to score at every opportunity. Even deep in defence they just take off seeing every time they get the ball as a scoring opportunity. I don't know what you're watching.

IMO definitely not boring but not actually exciting either. Because of their relentless and rabid attack on the ball and/or the opposition player with the ball. For me it's more fascinating, with a touch of curiosity. I always thinking why doesn't the opposition just play the same way coz rarely not much else seems to work against them. Although when I picture both teams playing exact same way, the picture in my head resembles a rugby game

 

[YeOldTiger]

IMO definitely not boring but not actually exciting either. Because of their relentless and rabid attack on the ball and/or the opposition player with the ball. For me it's more fascinating, with a touch of curiosity. I always thinking why doesn't the opposition just play the same way coz rarely not much else seems to work against them. Although when I picture both teams playing exact same way, the picture in my head resembles a rugby game

Well everybody seems the game differently. I accept I have the rose coloured glasses on because Richmond but I find it an admirable football style. It takes discipline and sacrificing their natural game for players like Rioli and Lambert, but the gain has turned out to be flags so I'm sure they'd take that every time.

The fact that so many oppo fans see Richmond as mainly a bunch of role (it isn't spelled 'roll' btw nuffies. A roll is either something delicious you eat, as in sausage roll - not the rhyming slang - or something you do in the hay, as in little old roll in the hay, which I won't elaborate on in case there are youngsters present) players is high praise indeed and music to my ears.

Some critics could perhaps look at their own teams and ask themselves, who are their role players and do they have enough of them to sustain finals intensity football.

Richmond play finals type football pretty much every game and guess what, it works.