Play Nice The NM Devil's Chessboard Thread - Part II

[Del191229]

He’s not at all.

Churchill was a Hitler loving Jewish hater though.

Churchill was pure scum but he was no Hitler lover.

I mean, if you want to argue he was as racist and genocidal as Hitler, sure, thats there.

But he saw Hitler as an existential threat. I mean, he allied with the Soviets to defeat Hitler and he HATED communists

 

[Del191229]

He’s quoted Cooper a few times himself

I won't be any more now he's revealed himself here

 

[Del191229]

You have to agree Churchill was a piece of shit tho.

What he did in Africa and India was appalling and frankly no better than the Nazi policies to PoC.

Yeah, Hitler thought Churchill would be an ally in a white Master race rule the world scenario.

Churchill also wanted a white master race to rule the world - the Brits alone

 

[Del191229]

There's more solid evidence to argue the US provoked imperial japan

 

[ferball]

There's more solid evidence to argue the US provoked imperial japan

Yes, they were blatanly racist about it for decades too, and they certainly ignored multiple warnings about the attack on Pearl Harbour.

 

[Del191229]

The walls are closing in.

 

[Val Keating]

Churchill was pure scum but he was no Hitler lover.

I mean, if you want to argue he was as racist and genocidal as Hitler, sure, thats there.

But he saw Hitler as an existential threat. I mean, he allied with the Soviets to defeat Hitler and he HATED communists

Yeah of course, I meant pre war. He didn’t fight the Germans for ideological reasons.

 

[Val Keating]

I won't be any more now he's revealed himself here

A lot of people including historians think that WW2 was inevitable because of what the allies did to Germany after WW1.

 

[Val Keating]

The funny part about Musk saying that it was must watch or whatever, is that Musk removed the stuff Darryl said about him. Free speech

 

[Del191229]

A lot of people including historians think that WW2 was inevitable because of what the allies did to Germany after WW1.

Yeah but those historians don't also put the "Jewish problem" as a legitimate reason for anything.

Those who do are ****ing Nazis. Just like soldiers who wear SS patches and talk about how happy they are to be fighting Russians and erasing Russian speakers are Nazis.

 

[Val Keating]

Yeah but those historians don't also put the "Jewish problem" as a legitimate reason for anything.

Those who do are ****ing Nazis. Just like soldiers who wear SS patches and talk about how happy they are to be fighting Russians and erasing Russian speakers are Nazis.

He’s quoting people and referring to the mindset of that time.

 

[Del191229]

Come get your mate The Warlord

Why not get a bunch of your in no way Nazi pro Ukraine mates off the bain moard thread to help?

 

[Val Keating]

Why not get a bunch of your in no way Nazi pro Ukraine mates off the bain moard thread to help?

Oh no, don’t question the actual Nazis

 

[ferball]

A lot of people including historians think that WW2 was inevitable because of what the allies did to Germany after WW1.

There may be some truth in that. The response after ww2 was very different.

 

[ferball]

He’s quoting people and referring to the mindset of that time.

Even turn of the century English Zionists looked at Jewish people like a "problem".

Its a minefield tho cos people on the far right will look for any legitimacy they can get and some people, especially certain groups of zionists, want to control the narrative of the holocaust for their own political ends.

I've been called a holocaust denier for pointing out the real death toll and that other ethnic groups were targeted by the Nazis, along with political prisoners. They also targeted people on the basis of religion, sexuality and disability.

There are some real arseholes out there who deny that stuff then call other people holocaust deniers.

 

[Val Keating]

There may be some truth in that. The response after ww2 was very different.

May be? There’s no question.

 

[Val Keating]

Even turn of the century English Zionists looked at Jewish people like a "problem".

Its a minefield tho cos people on the far right will look for any legitimacy they can get and some people, especially certain groups of zionists, want to control the narrative of the holocaust for their own political ends.

I've been called a holocaust denier for pointing out the real death toll and that other ethnic groups were targeted by the Nazis, along with political prisoners. They also targeted people on the basis of religion, sexuality and disability.

There are some real arseholes out there who deny that stuff then call other people holocaust deniers.

Absolutely. Cooper has addressed that many times in his podcasts, as has Dan Carlin, but if someone is going to do an authentic history podcast, they can not shy away from facts just because they’re uncomfortable.

 

[Val Keating]

 

[Val Keating]

 

[big_e]

A lot of people including historians think that WW2 was inevitable because of what the allies did to Germany after WW1.

I'd be interested to see some contemporaneous sources from the 1920s that said a world war was inevitable, rather than with the benefit of hindsight.

 

[Val Keating]

I'd be interested to see some contemporaneous sources from the 1920s that said a world war was inevitable, rather than with the benefit of hindsight.

They were greedy and didn’t factor in the “revenge of the vanquished”

 

[big_e]

They were greedy and didn’t factor in the “revenge of the vanquished”

Doesn't necessarily mean there was going to be a world war, though.

If the Depression didn't hit at that precise moment, would the Nazis have risen to power? Maybe, maybe not. And if it wasn't for them, would there have been a world war? Again, maybe, maybe not.

It all feels logical when you look backwards, but "inevitable" is a strong word.

 

[ferball]

I'd be interested to see some contemporaneous sources from the 1920s that said a world war was inevitable, rather than with the benefit of hindsight.

It wasn't the only factor but it certainly contributed.

1920s Germany was incredibly progressive, open minded, had some of the most amazing science in history happening and within a decade was Nazi Germany. Worth remembering for people who think it can't happen here or anywhere else.

Then the depression happened and when people have nothing cos they've lost it its easier to stoke resentment (which is how far right revolutions happen. Far left ones seem to happen when people have nothing to begin with. Generalisation but close enough to the truth.)

Anyway Keynes predicted it in 1919 based on the terms of the treaty of Versailles. The Commander of the French Military did as well and maybe Woodrow Wilson if the US didn't join the pre ww2 version of the UN - The League of Nations.

 

[Val Keating]

Doesn't necessarily mean there was going to be a world war, though.

If the Depression didn't hit at that precise moment, would the Nazis have risen to power? Maybe, maybe not. And if it wasn't for them, would there have been a world war? Again, maybe, maybe not.

It all feels logical when you look backwards, but "inevitable" is a strong word.

Ok, so first off id just like to state that I am in no means an educated person on these complicated issues. I only became interested in history and geo politics about 10 - 15 years ago….

I’m not the sort of person that pretends to be knowledgeable by going and reading up on a topic being discussed, and then repeat what I’ve just read like I always knew it, that’s just fake.

Anyway ..

Yeah saying a world war was inevitable is strong. trying to force Germany to collapse after ww1 was a terrible mistake and like it or not, WW2 wouldn’t happened without it.

 

[Val Keating]

So yeah, stating that another world war was inevitable is strong, even hyperbolic, but stating that Germany would eventually fight back and start a war is pretty reasonable, and considering the global tension at the time it’s not that far fetched to make the argument that it would trigger another world war.

Just one example, Japan felt disrespected after being left out of the land grab after WW1, which was their main motivation for joining with Germany in WW2.