The Official 2012 NBA Draft Thread

[Messenger]

Read that. Thank god that he wont be there for us to potentially draft him.

My thoughts exactly.

 

[raffrox]

Whats the story with the promises. I just don't see the advantage in it to be honest.

 

[sblack]

Whats the story with the promises. I just don't see the advantage in it to be honest.

In what way?

Player or team perspective?

 

[Messenger]

Whats the story with the promises. I just don't see the advantage in it to be honest.

I have no idea. Not all GM's do it. In most cases it amounts to a promise not to let a player pass them.

 

[smashh]

Whats the story with the promises. I just don't see the advantage in it to be honest.

Again, no idea. Could have a thing to do with a team being really high on a player who they think will, during workouts and etc go up on other peoples radar and trying to secure them like that. From a player perspective skipping workouts because of a promise... I don't know..?

 

[smashh]

My thoughts exactly.

You guys wouldn't be happy with Rivers in the late teens? I haven't seen a lot of his play but definitely seems worth it at that range. Going through draft interviews, Rivers is the guy I was most impressed with. Spoke like a pro, not that it amounts to much, but was still impressed

 

[Messenger]

You guys wouldn't be happy with Rivers in the late teens? I haven't seen a lot of his play but definitely seems worth it at that range. Going through draft interviews, Rivers is the guy I was most impressed with. Spoke like a pro, not that it amounts to much, but was still impressed

That's like drafting Wes Johnson because has a winning smile and a firm handshake. Oh wait.....

I won't hold myself out as a college ball expert, I rarely watch it, but one of the sites I visit to contribute (but mostly learn) has a strong stats bias. I posted the link earlier. They reckon Rivers is all show, no substance. Same with Barnes.

 

[raffrox]

Again, no idea. Could have a thing to do with a team being really high on a player who they think will, during workouts and etc go up on other peoples radar and trying to secure them like that. From a player perspective skipping workouts because of a promise... I don't know..?

As long as the team does what they'll say they'll do I don't see a risk for the player but there's gotta be a risk for the team. ie...



Got to suck missing out on a HOFer.

I'm with you as well smashh. Rivers in the late teens would be a good pick up.

 

[raffrox]

That's like drafting Wes Johnson because has a winning smile and a firm handshake. Oh wait.....

I won't hold myself out as a college ball expert, I rarely watch it, but one of the sites I visit to contribute (but mostly learn) has a strong stats bias. I posted the link earlier. They reckon Rivers is all show, no substance. Same with Barnes.

Fair enough but Rivers seems to have pretty good handle and the ability to penetrate/ beat his player. I have heard Barnes being called the SF version of Nick Young.

 

[Messenger]

raffrox I think Atlanta might have stuck themselves with Marvin Williams (with the next two picks being Chris Paul and Deron Williams). hamG might like to relive it for us....

 

[Messenger]

Fair enough but Rivers seems to have pretty good handle and the ability to penetrate/ beat his player. I have heard Barnes being called the SF version of Nick Young.

He can certainly get into the lane and draw fouls. But shots 65% from the line.

 

[OrdinaryJoel]

He can certainly get into the lane and draw fouls. But shots 65% from the line.

Also, many scouts believe his shot is fair dodgy and can have tunnel vision (not good with creating for team mates) Hence the 2.1 assist average only. I'd compare him to a poor mans O.J. Mayo...

 

[sblack]

Fair enough but Rivers seems to have pretty good handle and the ability to penetrate/ beat his player. I have heard Barnes being called the SF version of Nick Young.

Average handle.

And as Mess said, his biggest strength (drawing fouls) is completely disvalued with his poor FT shooting.

He doesnt rebound, and doesnt create for others.

Also pretty average defensively.

Barnes is no Nick Young. Barnes has potential to be a first option scorer.

 

[Stiffy_18]

Average handle.

And as Mess said, his biggest strength (drawing fouls) is completely disvalued with his poor FT shooting.

He doesnt rebound, and doesnt create for others.

Also pretty average defensively.

Barnes is no Nick Young. Barnes has potential to be a first option scorer.

I like Barnes but he is more of a systems guy than a first option scorer. When I say systems guy, I think of guys like Rip Hamilton, Kevin Martin, Peja Stojakovic et al.

The guys that can be effective scorers in the right system designed to get them free. We are talking about guys who cannot create their own shot but need a system in place to run them off screens and spot up situations of kick outs that make them effective.

Barnes is not the guy you give the ball to and let him go to work. He is the guy where you call out a play and he comes off a screen or a double screen to create enough separation to get the shot off.

Those sort of guys are VERY rarely first option on winning team and that's assuming you would call Hamilton #1 option on the Detroit teams which I am not convinced is the case.

First option guy are the ones that are able to create for themselves and others and Barnes is not that guy. Not at this stage at least.

 

[sblack]

I like Barnes but he is more of a systems guy than a first option scorer. When I say systems guy, I think of guys like Rip Hamilton, Kevin Martin, Peja Stojakovic et al.

The guys that can be effective scorers in the right system designed to get them free. We are talking about guys who cannot create their own shot but need a system in place to run them off screens and spot up situations of kick outs that make them effective.

Barnes is not the guy you give the ball to and let him go to work. He is the guy where you call out a play and he comes off a screen or a double screen to create enough separation to get the shot off.

Those sort of guys are VERY rarely first option on winning team and that's assuming you would call Hamilton #1 option on the Detroit teams which I am not convinced is the case.

First option guy are the ones that are able to create for themselves and others and Barnes is not that guy. Not at this stage at least.

Barnes has all the tools to be exactly that guy.

 

[Messenger]

I like Barnes but he is more of a systems guy than a first option scorer. When I say systems guy, I think of guys like Rip Hamilton, Kevin Martin, Peja Stojakovic et al.

The guys that can be effective scorers in the right system designed to get them free. We are talking about guys who cannot create their own shot but need a system in place to run them off screens and spot up situations of kick outs that make them effective.

Barnes is not the guy you give the ball to and let him go to work. He is the guy where you call out a play and he comes off a screen or a double screen to create enough separation to get the shot off.

Those sort of guys are VERY rarely first option on winning team and that's assuming you would call Hamilton #1 option on the Detroit teams which I am not convinced is the case.

First option guy are the ones that are able to create for themselves and others and Barnes is not that guy. Not at this stage at least.

Provided you have the main pieces in place, a guy like that is invaluable. Efficient without requiring a high usage rate to do it.

 

[Stiffy_18]

Provided you have the main pieces in place, a guy like that is invaluable. Efficient without requiring a high usage rate to do it.

I don't disagree with that at all. In the right team, Barnes could be a very valuable player just like RIP was in Detroit and Peja was in Sacramento.

Not the franchise guy you build around but a very effective and valuable piece in the puzzle. Players that can score their 20ppg without demanding the ball are very valuable on a contender. That's why Peja was super important in Sacramento as Webber's side kick and why RIP was such an integral part of Detriot's run.

While Barnes has the physical tools to be a franchise player, he still lacks the skills that a player requires to be one. Doesn't mean that he can't develop them but it means that he does not have them now and likely won't have them in 2-3 years time.

 

[Scully2Folau]

Chad Ford: Cavs tried trading for Anthony Davis.

Sources say the Cavs offered (the Hornets the) No. 4, No. 24, No. 33 and No. 34 for No. 1. And sources said the Cavs got a firm and quick “No!”

 

[silverscope]

Haha. 4 draft picks for the #1. Wow.

I'm sure if they offered Irving and #4 it'd be a deal though

 

[raffrox]

Yeah, worth a try if you're the Cav's but definitely no deal.

Looks like I was wrong about Beal slipping if you believe this...

Florida guard Bradley Beal is only working out for teams inside the top four picks.
Beal's camp is obviously confident that he'll be a top four pick, and it's hard to argue with that belief at this time. Beal is expected to be considered by the Bobcats, Wizards and Cavs, the teams that hold picks No. 2, 3 and 4 after the Hornets draft first overall. Jun 11 - 9:36 AM
Source: Sports Illustrated

 

[hamG]

raffrox I think Atlanta might have stuck themselves with Marvin Williams (with the next two picks being Chris Paul and Deron Williams). hamG might like to relive it for us....

I sure can. We went for the player with the highest ceiling - an off the chart athlete who is a deadly shooter. However I think they forgot to test his athletic ability while bouncing a basketball and also his ability to create his own shot. So we ended up with a guy who can get to his favourite spot on the floor really fast and stand on it waiting for the ball.

CP3 and Darren would have floundered with us anyway trying to work around Iso-Joe. This is the same team who still hasn't figured out how to get Josh Smith to his potential after like 8 years.

Also we gave a draft guarantee to Shelden Williams. Probably did not even test him, just watched footage of him dominating all those other college centres who are like 6'6 and white.

 

[mitchzz]

http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLB767D5FCB08E26C0&feature=plcp

Some good videos here.

 

[sblack]

http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLB767D5FCB08E26C0&feature=plcp

Some good videos here.

Also can be found on the DX site.

 

[Shade]

That cavs offer demps would have probably laughed at

drop 3 spots to pick up another mid first rounder

lol

 

[hamG]

Here is our workout list for this year:

http://blogs.ajc.com/hawks/2012/06/12/atlanta-hawks/?cxntfid=blogs_hawks

At least we are pretending to be looking at centers by working out Plumlee, Melo, Ezeli and some other guys.

I would like Wroten because he would automatically be the most aggressive player on the team. His handle will improve over time and his shot mechanics are ok so his shooting will get better as well. Would make the 2nd unit semi-interesting to watch him try to be Reke.