The on topic thread 4.0

[Bojan KantKick]

This is the policing Sam Kerr grew up with:

The WA cops rounding up Indigenous kids: a 'toxic and racist environment'​

The police stories: Two former Western Australian and NSW officers speak out about what they saw during their time in uniform

www.theguardian.com

This is the state of UK policing

Met police found to be institutionally racist, misogynistic and homophobic​

Author of landmark report says Met can ‘no longer presume that it has the permission of the people of London to police them’

www.theguardian.com

"Casey revealed that one Muslim officer had bacon stuffed in his boots, a Sikh officer had his beard cut, minority ethnic officers were much more likely to be disciplined or leave, and Britain’s biggest force remains disproportionately white, in a capital that is increasingly diverse."

If anything "White bastard" is a weak descriptor of UK police.

UK police are no worse than Victorian police. As usual the Guardian omits key detail to help narratives form. I'm surprised Kerr found a copper to swear at. They are bloody hard to find.

Your childhood gives you little excuse to go to another country and abuse police. Just ignore the campaigners like everyone else

 

[Crouch]

What was racially derogatory about what she said? Including "white" in the comment is not racially derogatory in and of itself.

It involves using derogatory language based on the target's race.

It's no different than claiming society is run by old white men.

Claiming that society is run by old white men can be seen as a critique of power structures and societal inequalities rather than a direct racial insult. It reflects a criticism of the overrepresentation of white men in positions of power and influence, highlighting systemic issues related to gender and race.

You've asked a question in bad faith and are continuing in kind.

I'm sorry if my question came across as disrespectful or insincere. That was not my intention. I genuinely want to understand different perspectives.

 

[Bojan KantKick]

I thought society was run by Big Mike Obama?

 

[moomba]

FWIW Trevor Sinclair got 150 hours community service for a similar offence. More might come out about what Kerr said/did but it would seem a more minor infraction than Sinclairs.

He lost a few jobs as a result of the case but is back here and there on the media nowadays.

 

[Bojan KantKick]

Pissy pants got off lightly

 

[Art Vandelay_]

Okay so Sam can make racially derogatory comments and that's okay?

I understand that one situation would have more weight than the other but in the end it's the same offense being committed?

Lost all respect for Tex with what he did, and then sat there with that cringe interview with the victim as it became all about him and his struggles.

Nowhere near comparable to Kerr

 

[Art Vandelay_]

Pretty simple. If you bring up anyone's race in any context. You are a dirtbag. There is no space for it, nor any space for apologists of same.

Forgive me any smurfs out there for the use of 'blue'

 

[Bojan KantKick]

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Forgive me any smurfs out there for the use of 'blue'

 

[Crouch]

Lost all respect for Tex with what he did, and then sat there with that cringe interview with the victim as it became all about him and his struggles.

Nowhere near comparable to Kerr

I agree, what happened after was cringe and handled very poorly.

It remains to be seen how Kerr handles it.

However if I'm comparing the initial offenses they both seem to be identical? With the only difference being that Tex said the slur behind Young's back rather than directly to them in Kerr's case.

 

[Bradesmaen]

All I see is

 

[TheGreatBarryB]

I agree, what happened after was cringe and handled very poorly.

It remains to be seen how Kerr handles it.

However if I'm comparing the initial offenses they both seem to be identical? With the only difference being that Tex said the slur behind Young's back rather than directly to them in Kerr's case.

People have explained the other view ..you’re back to asking same question again.

May this article may help ..explains some points quite clearly.

As a lawyer I can’t see how the Sam Kerr race charges could hold up

The huge reaction to the charges against Kerr is understandable, due to the reference to race. But there’s more that the court will need to consider.

www.theage.com.au

 

[moomba]

People have explained the other view ..you’re back to asking same question again.

May this article may help ..explains some points quite clearly.

As a lawyer I can’t see how the Sam Kerr race charges could hold up

The huge reaction to the charges against Kerr is understandable, due to the reference to race. But there’s more that the court will need to consider.

www.theage.com.au

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Where do you draw the line though? Thats why the law has to be any reference to any race.

And when it comes down to it, there's no need to add a person's race to an insult whether it's black, white or brown.

 

[Crouch]

People have explained the other view ..you’re back to asking same question again.

Where? It has only been explained that I can't be serious, am ignorant, and that the comments were not racially derogatory, while given an example that was not a racial insult used in a derogatory manner and not really applicable to the current situation.

May this article may help ..explains some points quite clearly.

It's paywalled so I can't read it unfortunately. From that excerpt, I don't understand how the 'who cares' reasoning makes it less racist. Shouldn't it be right or wrong, and not encouraged whatsoever?

 

[chef]

 

[TheGreatBarryB]

Where? It has only been explained that I can't be serious, am ignorant, and that the comments were not racially derogatory, while given an example that was not a racial insult used in a derogatory manner and not really applicable to the current situation.


It's paywalled so I can't read it unfortunately. From that excerpt, I don't understand how the 'who cares' reasoning makes it less racist. Shouldn't it be right or wrong, and not encouraged whatsoever?

The excerpt states the core definition of racism whether you agree with it or not. You can’t say it’s also racist because by the definition it’s simply not the same. And in response to another poster you can definitely draw a line.

 

[SM]

Where do you draw the line though? Thats why the law has to be any reference to any race.

And when it comes down to it, there's no need to add a person's race to an insult whether it's black, white or brown.

The line is at white people, thought that was reasonably clear. White privilege is a gift and a curse, it means we can put up with a few mean words once every few years.

 

[moomba]

The line is at white people, thought that was reasonably clear. White privilege is a gift and a curse, it means we can put up with a few mean words once every few years.

I don't disagree and there is very little that you could say to me that would offend (get asked if I'm from New Zealand every now and then which comes close to crossing the line). But from a legal standpoint how can you justify one person calling someone a black bastard, that person responding by calling the other a white bastard and only one being found guilty of a crime?

And then you introduce different races/mix races which blur the lines a little more than a straight black vs white argument.

So you have to say that it's unacceptable to make any reference to race when you're insulting someone.

And really there is no reason to make a reference to race. Just call the cop a bastard if that's the path you're going to take.

 

[Crouch]

The excerpt states the core definition of racism whether you agree with it or not. You can’t say it’s also racist because by the definition it’s simply not the same. And in response to another poster you can definitely draw a line.

So with that logic, it's impossible for someone to be racist towards white people?

 

[SM]

So with that logic, it's impossible for someone to be racist towards white people?

Yep!

 

[Frank Bunn]

FWIW Trevor Sinclair got 150 hours community service for a similar offence. More might come out about what Kerr said/did but it would seem a more minor infraction than Sinclairs.

He lost a few jobs as a result of the case but is back here and there on the media nowadays.

Sinclair called the arresting officer a "white campaigner" (rhymes with blunt). When it went to court he pleaded guilty to racially abusing the officer. So there is precedent for whiteness to be treated as a racial group. Kerr calling someone a "stupid white bastard" would appear to be a similar level offence.

Ex-footballer Trevor Sinclair admits drink-driving charges

The court also heard Trevor Sinclair, 44, urinated in a police car during his arrest.

www.bbc.com

 

[chef]

This plus Alonso would be pretty awesone for Pool

 

[Zidane98]

Don't think Edwards is coming back.

 

[Art Vandelay_]

Tell me Gooners aren't still thinking Rice is better than this guy. He is literally City's barometer and kryptonite all in one.

 

[glenferry23]

I’ve genuinely never come across that line of thinking. Rodri is in a class of his own in that position.

 

[Art Vandelay_]

You have selective memory lol.
Cruyffy creamed himself that he was the best DM in the league and had some agreeing with him.