The Perth Thread

[The Speaker]

All are still in the top 10 public schools in Perth. Perth Mod siphoned up a lot of them, though.

Yet couldn't come first this year.

And All Saints' is right next door to RSHS too. Revenge of the Real Golden Triangle.

If Applecross is no longer in the top 50, yet is in the top ten public schools, then have they been hit harder by the return of Perth Mod as a selective school? And have public schools in general lost more students to Perth Mod than private schools?

 

[Teriyakicat]

Applecross SHS draws from Ardross, Applecross, Mt Pleasant, Winthrop primary schools and I think Brentwood. Maybe Attadale but I don't think so.

And my year still had people from other schools who got in through the academic program which soon got scrapped.

There were a handful of Asians from Booragoon, Ardross etc and the intake from Winthrop was majority Asian

I've seen their primary school- yep- there is a high concentration of Asians there.

 

[Forward Press]

Not too hard for Perth Mod to do that- they exclusively take kids in the top 5% of the state. They SHOULD cream all of the schools!!

And yet, St Hilda's and St Mary's are still beating them out. I hate how the government is trumping it as how the public school system can compete with the private system - no s*** it damn well should if you take the best of the best from every primary school.

Kids there are brilliant - mostly.

 

[Teriyakicat]

Yet couldn't come first this year.

And All Saints' is right next door to RSHS too. Revenge of the Real Golden Triangle.

If Applecross is no longer in the top 50, yet is in the top ten public schools, then have they been hit harder by the return of Perth Mod as a selective school? And have public schools in general lost more students to Perth Mod than private schools?

I would guess that could be a problem for the public schools. I don't think private school parents that I've spoken to are really interested in Perth Mod (maybe their kids aren't bright enough? ) but I know a few public school parents of bright-ish kids who were keen to have them tested by Perth Mod.

 

[Teriyakicat]

And yet, St Hilda's and St Mary's are still beating them out. I hate how the government is trumping it as how the public school system can compete with the private system - no s*** it damn well should if you take the best of the best from every primary school.

Kids there are brilliant - mostly.

I think many of the kids are there for whatever specialist programs they offer, too- e.g. they are very much into music. I'm not sure what else is their forte.

 

[Teriyakicat]

Might be correct, I do know there's a metric f***ton of PRC students here.



Properties here bought by Chinese investors are just fronts for money laundering and corruption by Communist Party officials and their families anyway.

Source: me.

I trust you. I'm hanging on every word that you say and every stat that you quote!

 

[The Speaker]

I would guess that could be a problem for the public schools. I don't think private school parents that I've spoken to are really interested in Perth Mod (maybe their kids aren't bright enough? ) but I know a few public school parents of bright-ish kids who were keen to have them tested by Perth Mod.

The thing is, what Perth Mod is doing now was already being done by a bunch of public schools for years. The top kids would go into ATP, and would be able to stay in their local area at their local school - or at least a school more local than Perth Mod.

Perth Mod might be better for the individuals, but I'm not sure it's better for the state.

 

[The_Reaper]

Yet couldn't come first this year.

And All Saints' is right next door to RSHS too. Revenge of the Real Golden Triangle.

If Applecross is no longer in the top 50, yet is in the top ten public schools, then have they been hit harder by the return of Perth Mod as a selective school? And have public schools in general lost more students to Perth Mod than private schools?

Applecross in recent years

Year    Rank  
2014      55  
2013      41  
2012      55  
2011      36  
2010      35  
2009      26
2008      38

2009 was my year but from memory that had fallen from previous years as well.

From what I have heard Applecross has lost the top students who could compete for GEs and awards in major subjects.

They've probably gone to Perth Modern

 

[The_Reaper]

The thing is, what Perth Mod is doing now was already being done by a bunch of public schools for years. The top kids would go into ATP, and would be able to stay in their local area at their local school - or at least a school more local than Perth Mod.

Perth Mod might be better for the individuals, but I'm not sure it's better for the state.

Like Rossmoyne's LOTE program

 

[Forward Press]

Yet couldn't come first this year.

And All Saints' is right next door to RSHS too. Revenge of the Real Golden Triangle.

If Applecross is no longer in the top 50, yet is in the top ten public schools, then have they been hit harder by the return of Perth Mod as a selective school? And have public schools in general lost more students to Perth Mod than private schools?

Heh, same thing I said in my post just then.

If you go to Mod, you'd swear it was a school in Asia. Loads of Asian students - Chinese and Indian being the two biggest I think. I tend to agree it hurt the schools that traditionally had the Asian kids pumping up their ATAR scores - Applecross and Rossmoyne spring to mind.

I think overall, though, private schools are taking a disproportionate amount of the talent. And as a side issue, I think it's a bit ludicrous that the State government still funds private schools in spite of the gap in performance.

 

[Teriyakicat]

Has it? Perhaps Willetton took its place, although as far as I'm aware Willetton's been good a for a long time as well.

I think you have to sit an exam to get into one of Willetton's specialist programs, too (IT, basketball, etc.)

 

[The_Reaper]

I think you have to sit an exam to get into one of Willetton's specialist programs, too (IT, basketball, etc.)

Most are like that.

 

[Forward Press]

I would guess that could be a problem for the public schools. I don't think private school parents that I've spoken to are really interested in Perth Mod (maybe their kids aren't bright enough? ) but I know a few public school parents of bright-ish kids who were keen to have them tested by Perth Mod.

If you had a kid that qualified, send them to Mod. No questions asked. You also save tens of thousands in school fees. Best education in the state and the teachers there are supremely dedicated.

 

[Teriyakicat]

Got beat by Albany two years in a row now and no longer in the top 50.

Always see Applecross students in Garbo during school hours all the time now, which used to be pretty heavily clamped down on when I was a student.

And the Maccas giraffe in garbo was stolen by Applecross students from what I heard

I used to go to Southlands a fair bit and it was ALWAYS full of Willetton kids during their breaks. Don't know of many private schools who let their kids wander in and out as they please- is this a public school thing?

 

[Teriyakicat]

If you had a kid that qualified, send them to Mod. No questions asked. You also save tens of thousands in school fees. Best education in the state and the teachers there are supremely dedicated.

Dammit! Too late. My kids are almost finished now. There'd be no way they'd have left their friends at Primary school to go there, nor would I have been able to ship the kids out to different schools... Much too hard.

 

[The_Reaper]

I used to go to Southlands a fair bit and it was ALWAYS full of Willetton kids during their breaks. Don't know of many private schools who let their kids wander in and out as they please- is this a public school thing?

Well with Applecross Garden City is like 50 metres away from the edge of the oval.

 

[Forward Press]

I think many of the kids are there for whatever specialist programs they offer, too- e.g. they are very much into music. I'm not sure what else is their forte.

The music specialist program at Mod only draws in a relatively small percentage. It's much more focused on the ATAR pathway now.

And yes, to echo what some have said, you are tested for entry into public school specialist programs, including Gifted and Talented at several selected public schools like Rossmoyne, Churchlands, Duncraig etc.

 

[Teriyakicat]

Obviously your anecdotal data and my statistical data conflict a little. Meh, not a big thing.



Historically, migrant communities tended to settle where there was already a population of migrants from their own ethnicity and country, which explains why a lot are there in the Golden Triangle/Quadrangle/whatever. In my research and studies, though, the best explanation I can come up with as to why they chose that area in the first place is because in the 1970s, when the White Australia Policy began getting phased out, that area was the outskirts of metro Perth and it was cheaper and easier to settle there. It also explains why the first Vietnamese refugees in the 1970s settled in Mirrabooka/Balga/Girrawheen etc.

So that would be our version of Footscray, etc. over in Vic?

 

[Teriyakicat]

The music specialist program at Mod only draws in a relatively small percentage. It's much more focused on the ATAR pathway now.

And yes, to echo what some have said, you are tested for entry into public school specialist programs, including Gifted and Talented at several selected public schools like Rossmoyne, Churchlands, Duncraig etc.

Are those programs run outside of school hours or within the school? I know a lady who had to go and pick her daughter up and drop her once or twice a week to go to a central school for that program- can't remember what it was called, though.

 

[The_Reaper]

Are those programs run outside of school hours or within the school? I know a lady who had to go and pick her daughter up and drop her once or twice a week to go to a central school for that program- can't remember what it was called, though.

In school.

Just an extension program.

I made the Rossmoyne one but didn't go because I was going to have to study Japanese (and not Chinese) and my mother was going on about how my grandmother would be rolling in her grave about her grandson getting forced to learn Japanese (WWII memories)

 

[The Speaker]

Like Rossmoyne's LOTE program

I think you have to sit an exam to get into one of Willetton's specialist programs, too (IT, basketball, etc.)

Yeah, there are two different types of scholarships.

You'd have the local ones, which is whatever the particular school specialises in, like the ones you've pointed out. AFAIK the schools themselves decide on those, and run the tests themselves

But there is also a goverment run program for the basic classes - maths, English, science, S+E - which puts all the kids who did well in the test together, just like Perth Mod. At these schools: http://www.det.wa.edu.au/curriculum...vigation/parents/selective-academic-programs/

So there is really no need for Perth Mod to be selective.

The schools that don't do it through the govt may do their own as well.

EDIT: I believe the Rossmoyne LOTE program is govt run too. But not the rest that they do.

 

[Teriyakicat]

Yet couldn't come first this year.

And All Saints' is right next door to RSHS too. Revenge of the Real Golden Triangle.

If Applecross is no longer in the top 50, yet is in the top ten public schools, then have they been hit harder by the return of Perth Mod as a selective school? And have public schools in general lost more students to Perth Mod than private schools?

Are houses in the Rossmoyne catchment area still in as high demand as they were 10 years ago? I remember being told that people were renting houses in the area, just to be accepted into the school, then moving out once they were registered there. Indians and Asians for the most part. The kids are often super-bright but being at a top school doesn't guarantee success.

 

[The_Reaper]

Are houses in the Rossmoyne catchment area still in as high demand as they were 10 years ago? I remember being told that people were renting houses in the area, just to be accepted into the school, then moving out once they were registered there. Indians and Asians for the most part. The kids are often super-bright but being at a top school doesn't guarantee success.

Not how I'd describe most of them

 

[Forward Press]

The thing is, what Perth Mod is doing now was already being done by a bunch of public schools for years. The top kids would go into ATP, and would be able to stay in their local area at their local school - or at least a school more local than Perth Mod.

Perth Mod might be better for the individuals, but I'm not sure it's better for the state.

ATP/AEP/whatever the schools call it can only do so much - kids are more likely to achieve to their potential if they're in a whole school environment that encourages academic achievement. Yeah you get really, really good kids at the not-so-good public schools, but they don't get the time spent on them that they need to nurture their gifts and turn it into talents. Too much time spent on the 'turds' - as some put it.

Perth Mod is good for the State when it comes to the school league tables as it means a public school is in the top 10 every year, guaranteed. But the students have to come from somewhere and they are taken out of other public schools.

 

[Teriyakicat]

Yeah, there are two different types of scholarships.

You'd have the local ones, which is whatever the particular school specialises in, like the ones you've pointed out. AFAIK the schools themselves decide on those, and run the tests themselves

But there is also a goverment run program for the basic classes - maths, English, science, S+E - which puts all the kids who did well in the test together, just like Perth Mod. At these schools: http://www.det.wa.edu.au/curriculum...vigation/parents/selective-academic-programs/

So there is really no need for Perth Mod to be selective.

The schools that don't do it through the govt may do their own as well.

Thanks for that info, Speaker.

My kids school used to ask for the results of their WALNA (now NAPLAN) testing at the end of year 7 but then not stream the kids until about year 10. Weird! They started to loosely group the kids when my youngest got to year 7 at high school- I think they had 8 streams which were roughly 3 top groups, 3 middle, 2 needing extra help.