The Perth Thread

[Teriyakicat]

Supply and demand when it comes to teachers looking for jobs.

And I have a good mate who has been struggling to get a permanent job as a primary school teacher, despite having a D average across her degree and doing a masters because getting jobs has a lot to do with 'who you know'.

That's pretty bad. The schools are crying out for good teachers but nobody seems to put them on permanency- they're all contracts. And they get moved on once the regular teachers come back from LSL or maternity leave or whatever.
It's hard to get a good start as a young graduate teacher.

 

[Teriyakicat]

I'm pretty sure OBE was imported from some other country, and was adopted here to fit in with the other states because it was the newfangled way to do things.

and hasn't it all come full circle? My older kids went through the 'first steps' program, I think it was called. our school was one of the pilot schools.

And we are forever adopting methods of education that have failed both overseas and in the Eastern States. Can't, for the life of me, see why!!

 

[Scotland]

The whole 'do two years in the country and you'll get permanency in Perth' isn't even guaranteed any more, too. As gaskin stated, there isn't much incentive to move out there.

Isn't that what I said?

Take away the incentive to go. Create more incentives available to those who stay. Not hard to see what will happen.

It's another philosophical question though. Do we want Rossmoyne headhunting the best teachers to maintain a school that parents want their kids to go to, or do we want Balga SHS and Halls Creek DHS to have teachers other than the those who can't get gigs elsewhere?

 

[Teriyakicat]

Yes, Silver City is still is a thing, yes, I suspect most teachers agree that outcomes based education was a complete disaster for all involved, and yes I start to suspect public servants (not just in education) come up with these newfangled things so they have something to do in their 9-to-5 Monday to Fridays cubicle life.

Aren't the ones in the education city control centres all people who've moved up the academic ranks so far that they've removed themselves totally from being in touch with teachers and students and the actual education of our kids?

 

[The_Reaper]

Had some very good ones but a lot of the teachers in public schools are completely useless and ****ing stupid. Seriously don't know how some of them managed to even get qualified.

I've mentioned it here before but I'm still pissed off about failing an essay in year 10 because Japan and the Soviet Union were irrelevant in WWII

 

[Scotland]

And we are forever adopting methods of education that have failed both overseas and in the Eastern
States. Can't, for the life of me, see why!!

So some feminist-lesbian-left wing-do gooder-idealogue in Silver City can work up to a juicy level 6 desk job?

 

[Teriyakicat]

I've mentioned it here before but I'm still pissed off about failing an essay in year 10 because Japan and the Soviet Union were irrelevant in WWII

Wow? really? So my dad fought in New Guinea for nothing?? Poor bugger. Luckily he's dead now 'cos I wouldn't want to be the one breaking the news to him

 

[Scotland]

I've mentioned it here before but I'm still pissed off about failing an essay in year 10 because Japan and the Soviet Union were irrelevant in WWII

Did you argue for/against that claim?

 

[Teriyakicat]

So some feminist-lesbian-left wing-do gooder-idealogue in Silver City can work up to a juicy level 6 desk job?

hahahaaa -yeah, but there are also the Big Knob males who yearn to push pens in Head Office, too

 

[Scotland]

hahahaaa -yeah, but there are also the Big Knob males who yearn to push pens in Head Office, too

I'd rather a 'big knob male' with a cane teaching my fictitious kids than some nuffy Germaine Greer wannabe with a basket full of rainbows.

 

[Forward Press]

Isn't that what I said?

Take away the incentive to go. Create more incentives available to those who stay. Not hard to see what will happen.

It's another philosophical question though. Do we want Rossmoyne headhunting the best teachers to maintain a school that parents want their kids to go to, or do we want Balga SHS and Halls Creek DHS to have teachers other than the those who can't get gigs elsewhere?

Oh, I don't disagree with doing more to keep teachers in rural and remote areas. But in reality you have to incentivise it heavily - there is a reason why they are called remote. And the government is mindful of interfering too much with the hiring processes of independent public schools.

The answer isn't simple.

 

[UFO Tatsu]

She graduated in 2007 too. had many temporary and casual roles as a relief teacher and after hours ed support etc. and had to resort to part time work at a liquor store for a few years until the end of last year and now doing some temp FIFO work on the side.

Funny if her kids tried to buy some liquor from her store

 

[Kram]

I'm really sorry to hear that. Unfortunately, like with every other workplace, there are incompetent people at all levels. I hope when you have kids they don't go through the same thing.

I mean I'm certainly no genius and just a simple tradesman but geez.. Had one bloke in primary school that spelt time wasted as time 'waisted' and left it up there on the whiteboard for a week before someone decided to point it out to him. Another in Y12 discrete maths, I swear with this woman you just had to pretty much teach yourself. Had to buy a couple of good example books to work through problems at home and only 2 others and myself passed.. A geography teacher that thought Geographe Bay was named after the subject and spelt the exact same way with a y. Mum currently still works as a teacher assistant and **** me some of the stories she has told us about stupid shit they have written on the board, reckons it's actually really awkward when you have to actually point something out without embarrassing them too much. And this is from a woman that initially coming from the bush that left school at 14.

Had some that were great as well, but the problem I always assumed was that living in smaller towns that are less desirable locations you just get sent all the spuds.

If I ever have kids and can afford it would definitely look at sending them to a private school.

 

[The_Reaper]

Did you argue for/against that claim?

We had to write an essay on WWII.

Basically just on what happened. And I got marked down for including sections on Japan and the eastern front.

Though I complained when I got my mark and ended up passing anyway

 

[Borry]

Funny if her kids tried to buy some liquor from her store

I got a taxi driver who was a relief teacher for a few of my classes when I was in year 11 and 12, just thought it was kinda weird at the time but that's the reality for many graduates when they need to pay bills unfortunately.

 

[Scotland]

Yes

Errrr, right.

 

[Silent Alarm]

I mean I'm certainly no genius and just a simple tradesman but geez.. Had one bloke in primary school that spelt time wasted as time 'waisted' and left it up there on the whiteboard for a week before someone decided to point it out to him. Another in Y12 discrete maths, I swear with this woman you just had to pretty much teach yourself. Had to buy a couple of good example books to work through problems at home and only 2 others and myself passed.. A geography teacher that thought Geographe Bay was named after the subject and spelt the exact same way with a y. Mum currently still works as a teacher assistant and **** me some of the stories she has told us about stupid shit they have written on the board, reckons it's actually really awkward when you have to actually point something out without embarrassing them too much. And this is from a woman that initially coming from the bush that left school at 14.

Had some that were great as well, but the problem I always assumed was that living in smaller towns that are less desirable locations you just get sent all the spuds.

If I ever have kids and can afford it would definitely look at sending them to a private school.

I remember we had a woman straight out of Mauritius. She would send people out when we pointed out "becouse" was "because" and "therfour" was "therfore." Prick of a thing.

Nothing like the woman, an S&E teacher, who thought the USSR still existed and Ireland and Eire were different countries and Ireland was in Great Britain.

Scary, scary shit.

 

[Silent Alarm]

Also, why do people get the violins out when a teacher has to get a second job? This is 2015. There are no jobs. Too many people go to uni and unemployment is rife and we all have to eat some humble pie and realise retail or bar work is what you have to settle for straight out of school. Why is it any different for teachers? Who cares! Everyone struggles!

 

[Teriyakicat]

I'd rather a 'big knob male' with a cane teaching my fictitious kids than some nuffy Germaine Greer wannabe with a basket full of rainbows.

I'm happy with big knobs and canes- the 'big knobs' I referred to were the self-serving blokes (yes, women, too but you'd already mentioned them) who have their eye solely on a job in the city and don't want to be teachers but pen pushing bureaucrats who don't have to have anything to do with kids or parents anymore.

 

[Teriyakicat]

I mean I'm certainly no genius and just a simple tradesman but geez.. Had one bloke in primary school that spelt time wasted as time 'waisted' and left it up there on the whiteboard for a week before someone decided to point it out to him. Another in Y12 discrete maths, I swear with this woman you just had to pretty much teach yourself. Had to buy a couple of good example books to work through problems at home and only 2 others and myself passed.. A geography teacher that thought Geographe Bay was named after the subject and spelt the exact same way with a y. Mum currently still works as a teacher assistant and **** me some of the stories she has told us about stupid shit they have written on the board, reckons it's actually really awkward when you have to actually point something out without embarrassing them too much. And this is from a woman that initially coming from the bush that left school at 14.

Had some that were great as well, but the problem I always assumed was that living in smaller towns that are less desirable locations you just get sent all the spuds.

If I ever have kids and can afford it would definitely look at sending them to a private school.

Don't put yourself down, Kram. I've never yet met a 'simple tradesman'. I certainly couldn't imagine being an electrician, a plumber, a carpenter, an aircon man, etc. What you guys do is WAY beyond me.

 

[Silent Alarm]

Some tradies have a better vocabulary, awareness of the world, perspective, and sense of humour than pencil necked twats at Comm Bank et al.

 

[Teriyakicat]

Some tradies have a better vocabulary, awareness of the world, perspective, and sense of humour than pencil necked twats at Comm Bank et al.

And MUCH better manners!!

 

[Scotland]

Also, why do people get the violins out when a teacher has to get a second job? This is 2015. There are no jobs. Too many people go to uni and unemployment is rife and we all have to eat some humble pie and realise retail or bar work is what you have to settle for straight out of school. Why is it any different for teachers? Who cares! Everyone struggles!

When you say second job do you mean instead of teaching or on top of?

 

[drummond2fevola]

Tradies get the ladies.

Unfortunately I am no tradie.

 

[Scotland]

Some tradies are dim-witted, lazy, self-entitled campaigners.