The Phantom Menace

[Dippers Donuts]

Originally posted by Thrawn


Err... Dipper, do you know who Carlton_Rocks! actually is? I'll say that he's definatly not a "quality" poster...

Yeah I know, he's God, Carton_Boy etc etc. In this thread he has behaved himself though.

Next time I'll put that winkie smiley thing in

Like that.

 

[Mr Ripper]

Watched an hour and a bit; went to bed. Gawdawful.

 

[gPhonque]

Originally posted by Dippers Donuts
It's up there with Showgirls now...

Hey! Showgirls is a pisser!

Whether they meant it to be or not, it's one of the funniest films ever made!

The sex scene in the pool - classic!

 

[Rusty Brookes]

Great call, Thrawn.

I'm a huge Star Wars fan but you are spot on as to why Phantom Menace basically sucked. There is no way that little blond haired snot could turn into the villanous tyrant that ruled the galaxy. Plus I can suspend belief but suggesting Anakin built C3PO (my favourite all time gay robot) is even too much for a sci-fi film.

 

[clucas91]

Good stuff Thrawn.
Has anyone seen the "Phanton Edit"?
You can get it off KaZaa.

 

[NICK THE PIE MAN]

Originally posted by Carlton_Rocks!
Major payne

cats and dogs

shrek

Now review these tv shows

Neighbours

themole

Home and away

Hey CR,
mind if I give you my thoughts?

Major Payne- Laughed myself silly the first time! Damon Wayans (I think his name is) was incredible funny. Just a bit of fun. 3 Stars

Cats and Dogs- Corny but well done.

Shrek- very overrated

Neighbours- Don't mind Neighbours, just a bit of light entertainment. Still find it incredibly funny when an actor leaves the show (usually a son or daughter of one of the families) they say the character has gone interstate or overseas to work/study, and their on-screen parents never speak of them again! Its like they have disowned them! The only time they come up is: 1) An old friend comes along they haven't seen for ages..."Oh how's Billy?".."Oh he's great!" 2) A Wedding or Funeral.."Oh I just received word that Billy and Mal can't come to the wedding!" Still cracks me up!

The Mole- One of my favourite shows. Very underrated and I find it more gripping than Survivor and those other type of reality shows. The challenges are always fantastic and its obvious that alot of work goes into it.

Home and Away- Don't watch it, but from what I have seen in ads, its seems too melodramatic; a character dieing everyweek or some sort of scandal.

 

[Falchoon]

Re: Hmmm... Originals were much better IMO!

Originally posted by Thrawn
Okay... whilst I am a fan of Star Wars, Episode One didn't appeal to me as much as the orginals. In fact, I rate it as the worst out of the lot. Why? Well, there are several factors:

1) Jar Jar Binks. What was Lucas thinking? This character was so irritating, that it somehow spolit the movie for me. Yes, I know it appeals to the little kiddies, but Star Wars was never supposed to be all "cutsey". The comic releif is so awful, that even C3-P0 was better. I can tell you, that Star Wars was supposed to be a serious saga, and not have elements which ruin it. Apparently it has, now.

2) Jake Lloyd. Couldn't they come up with a better actor? I mean, he wasn't that bad... but those corny lines like "Uh-Oh", and "Woo-hoo" during the space battle scene was not needed. A better actor would of been Haley Joel Osmont, from The Sixth Sense. Now that kid can can act.

3) The Pod Racer Commentators. Why... oh why did they have to add in the cheesy "American Football Commentating Sound-Alike". It would of been much better if the voices were alien.

4) To much appealing towards kids. We all know how much we hate stupid stuff that only kids laugh at. This was evident in the whole movie... I mean, there are other less stupid ways for the movie to appeal to kids.

5) The death of Darth Maul. How dare Lucas kill him off! He was such a cool character in the movie, and I would of loved to see fight between him and Anakin in Episode Two for a place in Palpatine's side.

5) Darth Sidious. This was to obvious... everyone knew that he was Senator Palpatine. Lucas should of done more to conceal his true identity.

That's about all I guess. And you can blame Lucas' son, Jet for Jar Jar. I believe he came up with the concept. George, George, George... you are the storyteller! Don't let your kids ruin the movie for you!

I have a feeling that Episode Two will be far superior than Episode One. From what I've seen, it looks amazing., and hopefully Jar Jar Binks will perish. Perhaps that will make it up for the sins of humanity he has created in the Phantom Meance. Can't wait for Boba Fett!

They're all yours Dan!

"There was no father" Spat up my popcorn, you can't be serious?

 

[grimlock]

Re: Hmmm... Originals were much better IMO!

Originally posted by Thrawn

2) Jake Lloyd. Couldn't they come up with a better actor? I mean, he wasn't that bad... but those corny lines like "Uh-Oh", and "Woo-hoo" during the space battle scene was not needed. A better actor would of been Haley Joel Osmont, from The Sixth Sense. Now that kid can can act.

He was absolutely terrible, timing was misplaced, lines were poorly delivered. How old was he meant to be anyway? Looked like 4 years old to me

5) Darth Sidious. This was to obvious... everyone knew that he was Senator Palpatine. Lucas should of done more to conceal his true identity.

I think its pretty hard to conceal since most people knew that Palpatine becomes the Emperor in Eps 4-6.

Can't wait for Boba Fett!

Boba Fett's father, Jango Fett is in Ep 2, played by Temuera Morrison.

 

[wagstaff]

The first five minutes of it were enough for me. I felt like I was watching an inter-galactic WTO meeting.

 

[Mr Eagle]

Re: Hmmm... Originals were much better IMO!

Originally posted by Thrawn
5) The death of Darth Maul. How dare Lucas kill him off! He was such a cool character in the movie, and I would of loved to see fight between him and Anakin in Episode Two for a place in Palpatine's side.

The most criminally under-used character in the history of film, bar none. He was hyped up to be every bit the baddie that Vader was, looked damn cool....and got absolutely stuff all screen-time (relatively speaking) and even less of the actual script. Totally funking criminal.

 

[jod23]

Re: Hmmm... Originals were much better IMO!

Originally posted by Thrawn
Okay... whilst I am a fan of Star Wars, Episode One didn't appeal to me as much as the orginals. In fact, I rate it as the worst out of the lot. Why? Well, there are several factors:

1) Jar Jar Binks. What was Lucas thinking? This character was so irritating, that it somehow spolit the movie for me. Yes, I know it appeals to the little kiddies, but Star Wars was never supposed to be all "cutsey". The comic releif is so awful, that even C3-P0 was better. I can tell you, that Star Wars was supposed to be a serious saga, and not have elements which ruin it. Apparently it has, now.

2) Jake Lloyd. Couldn't they come up with a better actor? I mean, he wasn't that bad... but those corny lines like "Uh-Oh", and "Woo-hoo" during the space battle scene was not needed. A better actor would of been Haley Joel Osmont, from The Sixth Sense. Now that kid can can act.

3) The Pod Racer Commentators. Why... oh why did they have to add in the cheesy "American Football Commentating Sound-Alike". It would of been much better if the voices were alien.

4) To much appealing towards kids. We all know how much we hate stupid stuff that only kids laugh at. This was evident in the whole movie... I mean, there are other less stupid ways for the movie to appeal to kids.

5) The death of Darth Maul. How dare Lucas kill him off! He was such a cool character in the movie, and I would of loved to see fight between him and Anakin in Episode Two for a place in Palpatine's side.

5) Darth Sidious. This was to obvious... everyone knew that he was Senator Palpatine. Lucas should of done more to conceal his true identity.

That's about all I guess. And you can blame Lucas' son, Jet for Jar Jar. I believe he came up with the concept. George, George, George... you are the storyteller! Don't let your kids ruin the movie for you!

I have a feeling that Episode Two will be far superior than Episode One. From what I've seen, it looks amazing., and hopefully Jar Jar Binks will perish. Perhaps that will make it up for the sins of humanity he has created in the Phantom Meance. Can't wait for Boba Fett!

They're all yours Dan!

Ok ... point 1 - Fair enough, Jar Jar was annoying but he is bearable and they needed the character to bring the whole script together. Still he could have been less annoying.

2 - Jake Lloyd i thought was ok, not even a quarter of the actor that Hayley Joel Osment is and im pretty sure he went for the part and missed. An absolute crime. But you cant blame the "Uh oh" and "Woo Hoos" on him. Thats in the script, he has to say them, bad writing though.

3 - I loved that commentator! "That little human being is ... Out of his mind"

4 - Gotta agree....he had to realise that the people that fell in love with the original trilogy were not kids and certainly aint kids now, unless they miraculously aged backwards..which i doubt. His target audience was more 12 and upwards, why he threw in all the kiddie jokes was a bit of a mystery and a disappointment.

5 - LOL...he had to be killed, you cant have him hanging around when the Emperor is trying to turn Anakin. There can only ever be 2, a master and an apprentice. You cant have three.

6 - again LOL...anyone who is even a slight Star Wars fan knows that Senator Palpatine is the Emperor, you cant hide it.

But overall i loved the movie. The good bits far outweigh the bad bits and although it isnt as good as the original trilogy it was still awesome. The pod race was visually stunning, the lightsabre battles were taken to a new level, you see some historic meetings. Anakin and Obi Wan meeting for the first time. C3P0 and R2D2 meeting for the first time. Answers the questions on why droids were replaced by stormtroopers. Etc etc etc It was a great film.

Episode 2 though looks awesome!

 

[Thrawn]

Well...

I think its pretty hard to conceal since most people knew that Palpatine becomes the Emperor in Eps 4-6.

Actually... Palpatine becomes Emperor before A New Hope, just to clear that up for you.

5 - LOL...he had to be killed, you cant have him hanging around when the Emperor is trying to turn Anakin. There can only ever be 2, a master and an apprentice. You cant have three.

I stated that there should of been a fight between Darth Maul and the older Anakin for a place on Palaptine's side (ie. apprentiship). So whoever wins, they become the apprentice, and would've been sweet. I think the comics, The Tales of the Jedi, had a master and an army of apprentices under his command, think it was during the Sith War.

6 - again LOL...anyone who is even a slight Star Wars fan knows that Senator Palpatine is the Emperor, you cant hide it.

I said it was too obvious between Sidious and Palaptine... and Palpatine wasn't the Emperor in Episode One, he was a Senator... then the High Chancellor in the end. He's not the big bad tyrant yet.

 

[elt]

Re: Hmmm... Originals were much better IMO!

Originally posted by Thrawn
Okay... whilst I am a fan of Star Wars, Episode One didn't appeal to me as much as the orginals. In fact, I rate it as the worst out of the lot. Why? Well, there are several factors:

1) Jar Jar Binks. What was Lucas thinking? This character was so irritating, that it somehow spolit the movie for me. Yes, I know it appeals to the little kiddies, but Star Wars was never supposed to be all "cutsey". The comic releif is so awful, that even C3-P0 was better. I can tell you, that Star Wars was supposed to be a serious saga, and not have elements which ruin it. Apparently it has, now.

2) Jake Lloyd. Couldn't they come up with a better actor? I mean, he wasn't that bad... but those corny lines like "Uh-Oh", and "Woo-hoo" during the space battle scene was not needed. A better actor would of been Haley Joel Osmont, from The Sixth Sense. Now that kid can can act.

3) The Pod Racer Commentators. Why... oh why did they have to add in the cheesy "American Football Commentating Sound-Alike". It would of been much better if the voices were alien.

4) To much appealing towards kids. We all know how much we hate stupid stuff that only kids laugh at. This was evident in the whole movie... I mean, there are other less stupid ways for the movie to appeal to kids.

5) The death of Darth Maul. How dare Lucas kill him off! He was such a cool character in the movie, and I would of loved to see fight between him and Anakin in Episode Two for a place in Palpatine's side.

5) Darth Sidious. This was to obvious... everyone knew that he was Senator Palpatine. Lucas should of done more to conceal his true identity.

That's about all I guess. And you can blame Lucas' son, Jet for Jar Jar. I believe he came up with the concept. George, George, George... you are the storyteller! Don't let your kids ruin the movie for you!

I have a feeling that Episode Two will be far superior than Episode One. From what I've seen, it looks amazing., and hopefully Jar Jar Binks will perish. Perhaps that will make it up for the sins of humanity he has created in the Phantom Meance. Can't wait for Boba Fett!

They're all yours Dan!

Excellent post. Precisely why I rate Episode One as the worst of the series.

I do think Ep 2 will be a vast improvement though.

 

[Dan26]

BSA,

Your exaggerrations are way over the top. Episode 1 was not as good as the original Star Wars or the Empire Strikes Back, but it was miles better than Return of the Jedi.

You can think what you want about Jar Jar, but there were enough other "cool" moments in the movie to entertain the average viewer. The music was once again awesome. I don't know if you know the theme "Duel of the Fates", but when it blasts into full orchestra it is spine tingling. The Pod Race is obviously sensational, and the end battle (4 battkes at once) is very well done.

I could do without Jar Jar steeping in sh*t and getting farted on. I also think Jake Lloyd (Anakin) wasn't the greatest actor. Liam Neeseon though was fantastic.

Phantom Menace suffers from expectation, but as a movie in it's own right, it is entertaining and I had fun with it. You've got to remember that it's the only "happy" movie in the prequel trilogy, and it will get darker (and better) as we move through Epsiode's 2 and 3.

Words such as "awful" are so over the top as to be hilarious. Phantom Menace has some great moments and is a very watchable film - not in the class of Episodes 4 and 5, but good nontheless. To use the words "howler" and "stinker" is so childish by you as to be ridiculous. What an incredibly childish exaggreration. There were many good moments in the film that you failed to acknowledge. The three-way duel? The Pod Race? The underwater city? The music? yes, there were some below par moments, but anyone who thinks the whole film was like that clearly hasn't sat and watched it fully and taken it all in.

To be honest, The Phantom Menace is the kind of film that has flaws, but due to it's many other cool moments it still rates between a 6-7 out of 10. This is nowhere near as good as Episodes 4 and 5, but still entertaining.

My ratings

Ep.5 - 10
Ep.4 - 8.5
Ep.1 - 6.5
Ep. 6 - 4

You'll find most genuine fans of the series would have similar results (give or take.) Your analysis is simply blinkered and exaggerationary.

If anyone wants to see the review for Episode 2,click on this link One lucky man has seen it.

 

[Dan26]

Re: Hmmm... Originals were much better IMO!

Originally posted by Thrawn
4) To much appealing towards kids. We all know how much we hate stupid stuff that only kids laugh at. This was evident in the whole movie... I mean, there are other less stupid ways for the movie to appeal to kids.

This is the only movie that will have the natural appeal to kids given that the darker tones of Epidoes 2 and 3 will no doubt make them more serious.

Originally posted by Thrawn
5) The death of Darth Maul. How dare Lucas kill him off! He was such a cool character in the movie, and I would of loved to see fight between him and Anakin in Episode Two for a place in Palpatine's side.

Darth Maul HAD to die. When you see Christopher Lee (the new apprentice in Episode 2 (his name is Darth Tyrranus) you will forget all about Maul. Tyrranus is a complex character, and among other things sledges and ricuiclules Anakin during their lightsare fight. Maul was just eye-candy.

Originally posted by Thrawn
6) Darth Sidious. This was to obvious... everyone knew that he was Senator Palpatine. Lucas should of done more to conceal his true identity.

Lucas is not trying to conceal his identity. The viewers watching the movie know, but the charcters in the movie don't know. This forces us to think, "No, he's an evil Sith Lord. Get away from him." George knows what he's doing with this aspect.

 

[Dan26]

Originally posted by Mr Ripper
Watched an hour and a bit; went to bed. Gawdawful.

Then you really don't have an opinion if you havn't watched the film.

 

[Jars458]

Originally posted by Dan26


Then you really don't have an opinion if you havn't watched the film.

Don't be stupid Dan

One hour is enough to know what a load of crap it was

I watched the whole thing and can confrm it doesn't get any better

Its a really poor movie - your love of Star Wars clouds your view.

Hopefully the second one will be better.

 

[mantis]

Originally posted by Dan26
My ratings

Ep.5 - 10
Ep.4 - 8.5
Ep.1 - 6.5
Ep. 6 - 4

You'll find most genuine fans of the series would have similar results (give or take.) Your analysis is simply blinkered and exaggerationary.

 

[clucas91]

I am a Star Wars nut and I HATED Episode one...
My love for the films is not clouding my judgement.
Episode one was crap.

 

[Mr Ripper]

Originally posted by Dan26
Then you really don't have an opinion if you havn't watched the film.

Sorry, Daniel. Saw enough of it to recognise it as the waste of celluloid it is.

 

[Asgardian]

Dan26, I cringe these days when I see you launch into a tirade of absolutes, perhaps if you accepted that "YOUR" opinion is not necessarily the correct one, and that everything you like is maybe not the best ever, then we all could take your posts a little more seriously.

Then again I too may be wrong? lets ask the rest of BigFooty

 

[Dr Zaius]

Originally posted by Dippers Donuts


Hype, marketing, the genuine anticipation of fans etc etc.

(I ask that question about Titanic as well, which is also on my worst films ever seen list).

George Lucas has one more chance as far as I am concerned. A repeat of The Phantom Menace and I think we should call for justice Saudi Arabian style. Can't make films without hands.

As for the amount of money it grossed, this may be due to people like me who saw the movie twice because I was unable to comprehend just how bad the movie was the first time.

I couldn't wait to see that film and George let me down. Damn you George, damn you to hell!!!!

 

[Dippers Donuts]

Hey dan26 - could you explain to me please what "exaggerationary" means?

 

[Dan26]

Originally posted by Jars458


Don't be stupid Dan

One hour is enough to know what a load of crap it was

We have a winner for the stupidest, most idiotic comment ever posted on bigfooty. Ummmm, a 2 hour film needs to be watched in its entireity before judgement can be passed, Jars. Perhaps one could miss the last 5 minutes, but for you to claim that 60 minutes is enough is one of the most ludicrous and ill-informed comments I have heard - ever.

And what's this "load of crap" garbage.? Fair enough it's your opinion, but I'm sick of these over the top exaggerations. Fair dinkum some people only see the word in black and white, right and wrong - with no in between. You act as though it was one of the worst movies in the history of motion pictures, which is clearly not the case, even if you were disappointed with it.

Originally posted by Jars458
I watched the whole thing and can confrm it doesn't get any better.

It does. The last hour is the best part of the movie. I don't mind the first hour either, although I prefer the ending sequence of events.

Originally posted by Jars458
Its a really poor movie - your love of Star Wars clouds your view.

Rubbish it clouds my view. If you can read, you will notice I gave Return of the Jedi a 4 out of 10. If my love of Star Wars clouds my view, why would I give one of the movies such a low ranking? And I gave The Phantom Menace a 6.5 - hardly a glowing endorsement, but there are enough cool things within the movie to make it more than worth the admission fee.

The Phantom Menace wasn't as good as Episodes 4 and 5, but boy oh boy, was it better than Jedi. (Which wasn't hard mind you)

There are about 140-150 scenes in any 2-hour film, and I'm sure everyone can find certain scens they enjoyed within it. The over the top exaggerations are ridiculous. Opinions are one thing, but going way over the top is absurd. One interesting note is that the person who reviewed Episode-2 (click here) states that Episode 1 becomes a better film after viewing Episode-2.

The Phantom Menace is really only the the first sixth of a 12-hour movie.

Originally posted by Jars458
Hopefully the second one is better

Click on the link

 

[Dan26]

Originally posted by Asgardian
Dan26, I cringe these days when I see you launch into a tirade of absolutes, perhaps if you accepted that "YOUR" opinion is not necessarily the correct one, and that everything you like is maybe not the best ever, then we all could take your posts a little more seriously.

I'm not launching into a series of absolutes. I have no problem with peoples opinions - just the exaggerated nature of them.

BSA initially critcised The Phantom Menace for Ralph Finnes performance (Ralph Finees wasn't it in) and secondly for shabby set design.

I don't know what planet he was on, but one thing Star Wars movies DON'T have is shabby set design. The visual aspect is their strongest asset. Criticise Jar Jar and Jake Lloyd's acting all you want, but if someone criticises the film for having "shabby set design" they clearly have no idea what they're talking about. I agree the film has faults and I accept the broad opinions of the various people, but I don't accept the massive "over the top" exaggerations. The film had many good things about it, but with the "over the top" crap we have here, you'd think there wasn't one good scene of the 150 scenes in the film.

You'll find the broad opinion of Star Wars fans is The Phantom Menace ranks as the third best Star Wars film. Individuals may have their own opinions, but on various sites where you can vote on those "click" things, you will find that it is regarded as the 3rd best film. I agree with this - others may not, but the general feelong among many people is that it ranks third. There are dozens of entertaining aspects to the film over the course of the 120 minutes. The Pod Race itself could be argued to be the most exhilarting chase scene ever complied. I like The French Connections's car chase myself, but the visual aspect of Pod's going 900 miles-per-hour was extroardinary. For people to claim there wasn't one good scene in the movie is very ignorant IMHO, mate.