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[DougalHoward]

Genuinely curious to see how far off track he can get. Eagerly awaiting response

I'm not going to give you a response you don't deserve one

 

[Dard Ball Get]

 

[George]

so i have recieved extensive training in regards to this surrounding conscious & unconscious bias in a an employment situation ... you cannot make a call on a persons assertivness or empathy based off their gender as its not a trait that is inherently gender dominant ...
my industry has been historically male dominant and bias against females in the industry has always been based off beliefs that a woman is weaker, a woman is less methodical and overly emotional , the thing is when we knocked down those walls we were able to implement ideas such as lifting aids that have improved safety and lowered injury rates - we have seen improvments around process and quality ....
there is also a big point in future planning you have to look at potential not just the now , regardless of gender an employee might be great for the role short term but are at their peak right now where taking a shot on a person with a large potential upside to improve well beyond is always a good bet to work on ...
studies have shown organisations with higher diversity employees rate much higher in key areas such as innovation, safety and worker satisfaction ...

Yes you can, people make calls based on probability all the time. It's correct to say that males, on average, are more assertive than females. It's also correct to say that females, on average, are more empathetic than males. That doesn't mean businesses can't make mistakes during the hiring process, but people use the law of averages all the time to make the best decision that they think they can make given the available evidence infront of them.

And yes, traits like assertiveness and empathy are in fact gender dominant, like many other traits. Same goes for what men and women typically want from life. Men on average are more inclined to work longer hours and dedicate their lives to their work, whereas women on average are more focused on creating and nurturing family. There's good and bad in both, like I said before it's the market that drives the type of people the workplace is looking for. Men and women are different and that's totally okay, in fact it's needed.

Your point on your own workplace is a good one but has nothing to do with gender. You had too many of the same people with the same strengths and blindspots in your team. As soon as you bring in people, male or female, that display what you lack, the team improves. People too often get gender mixed up with personality as is the case here. Organisations work well not because of gender diversity but because of diversity of thought and a good balance of psychological traits.

My point anyway is that it's more about the types of people you're hiring as opposed to what their gender is.

 

[st_trav_ofWA]

The whole point in responding to that article is that StKilda were wanting 20% of their workforce to be neither male or female. Everything you've written ignores that

not at all if you add transgender into the mix then the ineqity is ten fold .. the bias against them is even worse so there certainly needs to be work done in society as a whole on how we become more understanding and accepting of people how ever they identify .
the thing with work environments by having more diversity in the workplace and it becoming common place it again breaks down walls in acceptance
we have such a long way to go in this area ... you just need to read the comments section on any story discussing Danni Laidley to see the ignorance that is so widely accepted

 

[NoisyMinor]

 

[bergholt]

FMD
I'm in a lot of trouble now.
My latest 3.60kg bad boy salami should well and truly put me in a diabetic coma!

Anyone who relies on research based on food questionaires needs their head examined!
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I thought dick pics were banned on here

 

[George]

I'm not going to give you a response you don't deserve one

Get REKT Dard Ball Get

How humiliating!!

 

[George]

not at all if you add transgender into the mix then the ineqity is ten fold .. the bias against them is even worse so there certainly needs to be work done in society as a whole on how we become more understanding and accepting of people how ever they identify .
the thing with work environments by having more diversity in the workplace and it becoming common place it again breaks down walls in acceptance
we have such a long way to go in this area ... you just need to read the comments section on any story discussing Danni Laidley to see the ignorance that is so widely accepted

Good to see you back posting anyway, hope it continues

I think people have misinterpreted what the club said. I don't think it's 20% trans I think it's 20% anything (man, woman or beast). Either way looks a bit silly, should be hiring best available with best fit.

 

[Dard Ball Get]

Get REKT Dard Ball Get

How humiliating!!

 

[PoppedCorn]

I've gotta lose 21 kilos in 4 weeks to make weight. Even still, never crossed my mind to get on the pissy grass diets

U said u were on weight about a week ago wtf?

 

[George]

U said u were on weight about a week ago wtf?

I shoulda said on track, still had weight to lose but was on top of it. ****ed my knee up last Friday and haven't been doing much, not sure I'll make it but will give it a whirl xx

 

[st_trav_ofWA]

Yes you can, people make calls based on probability all the time. It's correct to say that males, on average, are more assertive than females. It's also correct to say that females, on average, are more empathetic than males. That doesn't mean businesses can't make mistakes during the hiring process, but people use the law of averages all the time to make the best decision that they think they can make given the available evidence infront of them.

And yes, traits like assertiveness and empathy are in fact gender dominant, like many other traits. Same goes for what men and women typically want from life. Men on average are more inclined to work longer hours and dedicate their lives to their work, whereas women on average are more focused on creating and nurturing family. There's good and bad in both, like I said before it's the market that drives the type of people the workplace is looking for. Men and women are different and that's totally okay, in fact it's needed.

Your point on your own workplace is a good one but has nothing to do with gender. You had too many of the same people with the same strengths and blindspots in your team. As soon as you bring in people, male or female, that display what you lack, the team improves. People too often get gender mixed up with personality as is the case here. Organisations work well not because of gender diversity but because of diversity of thought and a good balance of psychological traits.

My point anyway is that it's more about the types of people you're hiring as opposed to what their gender is.

sorry mate but that is utter rubbish .... that is historical sterotyping of gender roles in society
if you follow principles such as DISC personality both males and females are equally divers in where they sit in the personality quadrants ... in the past yes there was a divide but in the moder society the lines are no longer as clear cut as that, Females are empowerd and have drive that was in the past seen as a negative but in modern society are seen as strong traits , males are more intouch with their emotions and are now not shunned for showing empathy

 

[George]

On that, anyone know a remedy for aching and tenderness on the kneecap hehe

 

[PoppedCorn]

21 kilo



Yeah that ain't happening.

 

[NoisyMinor]

On that, anyone know a remedy for aching and tenderness on the kneecap hehe

Switch roles for a while.

 

[PoppedCorn]

 

[George]

sorry mate but that is utter rubbish .... that is historical sterotyping of gender roles in society
if you follow principles such as DISC personality both males and females are equally divers in where they sit in the personality quadrants ... in the past yes there was a divide but in the moder society the lines are no longer as clear cut as that, Females are empowerd and have drive that was in the past seen as a negative but in modern society are seen as strong traits , males are more intouch with their emotions and are now not shunned for showing empathy

Rubbish? Mate you are talking to a guy that does this for a living lol. DISC isn't a psychometric tool that was built specifically for recruitment. It gives you a light, fun and brief overview of your personality in general, but it's unethical to use it in a recruitment setting.

There's other psychometric tools for recruitment purposes - namely the California Psychological Inventory (70 years of research behind it) or Emotional Intelligence (hugely popular in organisational development and especially leadership development) tools that are designed to be used in these settings.

I keep saying to you that it's the market that drives what types of people employers look for. For women to win roles in male dominated industries they need to display the traits required to do so (as do men), typically those traits are seen more in males on average, that's why it's male dominated. Same goes for men that want to win roles in female dominated industries (as do females). They need to bend to the requirements to give themselves the best possible chance.

I'm getting the impression that you think I'm criticising women or something. Perhaps see the comments for what they are. This happens all the time for men and women.

Ultimately an organisation is doomed to fail if they have a group of people who all think and act the same way...man woman or otherwise.

 

[George]

Switch roles for a while.

Might need to get on your sissy leaves diet Chief

 

[gringo2011]

The issue with these studies is what constitutes “red meat”. I’ve seen studies where hamburgers have been classed at red meat.
Not saying it is the case with the link you posted, can’t be stuffed reading it, but the ReD mEaT cAuSeS cAnCeR crowd is laughable.

Eat grass fed and finished, locally sourced beef and watch your jaw square, biceps pop and balls drop.

Yeah, losing processed foods is the best way to stay healthy. Processed meats are pure shit too though. Bacon will give you a heart attack if not eaten in moderation. Keto is probably not a great long term diet but good for some weight loss.

The Mediterranean diet is low carb but high vegetable and complex carbs. Not pasta or potatoes like some think. You can still eat fats and some meat but pretty limited. Works similar to Keto. Not as bad for you long term.

 

[George]

Yeah, losing processed foods is the best way to stay healthy. Processed meats are pure s**t too though. Bacon will give you a heart attack if not eaten in moderation. Keto is probably not a great long term diet but good for some weight loss.

The Mediterranean diet is low carb but high vegetable and complex carbs. Not pasta or potatoes like some think. You can still eat fats and some meat but pretty limited. Works similar to Keto. Not as bad for you long term.

Just one more thing the Greeks had on point ️

 

[George]

Anyway I tried lol, can't be arsed. Back to the Random thread for some drivel

 

[DougalHoward]

Yeah, losing processed foods is the best way to stay healthy. Processed meats are pure s**t too though. Bacon will give you a heart attack if not eaten in moderation. Keto is probably not a great long term diet but good for some weight loss.

The Mediterranean diet is low carb but high vegetable and complex carbs. Not pasta or potatoes like some think. You can still eat fats and some meat but pretty limited. Works similar to Keto. Not as bad for you long term.

Keto makes you lose weight but you end up losing a lot of muscle by restricting carbs. Pretty bad for your kidneys and heart long term and hard to sustain because the food is disgusting.

The healthiest populations get the majority of their calories from carbs. People will avoid things like fruit, sweet potatoes and carrots because of the sugar content which is insane. You don't have to eat like a type 2 diabetic.

 

[Dard Ball Get]

Yeah, losing processed foods is the best way to stay healthy. Processed meats are pure s**t too though. Bacon will give you a heart attack if not eaten in moderation. Keto is probably not a great long term diet but good for some weight loss.

The Mediterranean diet is low carb but high vegetable and complex carbs. Not pasta or potatoes like some think. You can still eat fats and some meat but pretty limited. Works similar to Keto. Not as bad for you long term.

Yes agreed re: processed.

Re: bacon it is possible to source local, high quality nitrate free, free range which as long as you don’t burn it doesn’t carry with it the side effects of the usual store bought garbage.

Re: “diets”, it’s a bastardised term unfortunately. And sweeping generalisations do nobody any good either. What works for one will not necessarily work for the next campaigner.
To say med is better than keto is silly and cannot be proven. I have no allegiance to any “diet” btw, I’m just enjoying your usual role of mansplaining fwiw

Blue zones and other oft referenced outliers are not a pure science either. Stress levels of tanned Greeks doing fa but eating tomatoes and feta sitting on a terrace have something to do with life expectancy also.

 

[Dard Ball Get]

Keto makes you lose weight but you end up losing a lot of muscle by restricting carbs.

I know I didn’t deserve it, but boy oh boy did I enjoy it!

 

[George]

eVeRyThiNg iN mOdeRaTiOn iS wHaT i aLwAyS sAy!