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[jwikked]

However they do it they need to change gun laws. Like cars need a licence they need to at least make it a lot more difficult to obtain them without checks and balances.

Most people need a car for transport, I can't think of many people outside farmers and hunters that need a gun and especially a semi automatic military weapon. The right to bear arms was from another time. It's in the constitution but it's a relic.

It’s in the constitution, which is all that matters to them. I like that, it helps prevent an erosion of rights that governments around the world are engaging in.

In a few months time, anyone wanting to watch pr0n in Australia will need to show their ID. That goes for more than just pr0n.
Our rights are being eroded, I’m not surprised there are people in the US willing to fight for their rights and not have them taken away

 

[Armoooo]

It’s in the constitution, which is all that matters to them. I like that, it helps prevent an erosion of rights that governments around the world are engaging in.

In a few months time, anyone wanting to watch pr0n in Australia will need to show their ID. That goes for more than just pr0n.
Our rights are being eroded, I’m not surprised there are people in the US willing to fight for their rights and not have them taken away

Their constitutional right to bear arms isn't unlimited.

For starters, it is framed within the context of maintaining a well regulated militia. Says nothing about people needing them for hunting or even home protection.

There are also caveats that the arms cannot be restricted. If a private citizen wanted a nuclear war head, I don't think 2a would help them out too much.

 

[Stan_Darsh72]

It’s in the constitution, which is all that matters to them. I like that, it helps prevent an erosion of rights that governments around the world are engaging in.

In a few months time, anyone wanting to watch pr0n in Australia will need to show their ID. That goes for more than just pr0n.
Our rights are being eroded, I’m not surprised there are people in the US willing to fight for their rights and not have them taken away

They have the national guard walking the streets, private equity is owning their farms and homes as well as planetier owning most Americans data.

If the gun were used to keep rights, more c suite people would be getting Luigi'ed.

You will own nothing in oligarch America.

 

[nikkig98]

It’s in the constitution, which is all that matters to them. I like that, it helps prevent an erosion of rights that governments around the world are engaging in.

In a few months time, anyone wanting to watch pr0n in Australia will need to show their ID. That goes for more than just pr0n.
Our rights are being eroded, I’m not surprised there are people in the US willing to fight for their rights and not have them taken away

I agree with rights jwikk, but you gotta understand that the constitution and those laws were written in an era when the musket was the pinnacle of gun technology. Im not saying they should be scrapped, but do you really think the people who wrote those laws wouldnt change their minds if they saw a metal machine being used to fire 100's of bullets at kids in less than a minute.

These people aren't fighting for their rights either jwikk, . Trump has rapidly cut finding to PBS, actively using Palantir to steal peoples data, just look at the cronies in Meta and Peter Thiel that support him. That's my problem with that specific government. I would say im more conservative than liberal. They do not promote the conservative values they claim to preach, they're actively responisble for more invasions of rights. Trump is selling merch and buying Qatari planes, and actively shipping arms to israel whilst preaching non-interventionism.

Trumpism =/= conservatism, which is what i hate. He has broken the constitution more than any previous president, yet these same people are ignoring that.

You can't pick and choose imo

 

[jwikked]

They have the national guard walking the streets, private equity is owning their farms and homes as well as planetier owning most Americans data.

If the gun were used to keep rights, more c suite people would be getting Luigi'ed.

You will own nothing in oligarch America.

So just voluntarily give everything up?

 

[nikkig98]

So just voluntarily give everything up?

Nah you should fight for your rights, but don't put billionaires on a pedestal. People are fighting for figureheads, not themselves. Thats whats happening. Both left and right.

 

[jwikked]

You can't pick and choose imo

Agree with most of what you said, but it’s not about picking or choosing. Some people draw a line and refuse to go past that line. That’s all it is.

You bring up government overreach and the invasion of peoples rights, yet expect people to give up more rights because of that?

 

[Stan_Darsh72]

So just voluntarily give everything up?

I never said that.

But I am saying the seppos gave up rights a long time ago.

 

[nikkig98]

Agree with most of what you said, but it’s not about picking or choosing. Some people draw a line and refuse to go past that line. That’s all it is.

You bring up government overreach and the invasion of peoples rights, yet expect people to give up more rights because of that?

So you agree with drawing the line at guns, but ignoring literally everything else?

 

[Saint Shags]

Murder is not acceptable in any form.

The strange thing is that there are some that try to make out that this is some new occurrence in the US.

The history of the US as a nation is built on violence and political violence has been at the forefront.

This is not some new thing of left v right.

The only difference is that in terms of recent history. Eg. 30 or so years the political violence has been to a degree dormant.

 

[jwikked]

So you agree with drawing the line at guns, but ignoring literally everything else?

I’m not drawing the line at anything, but I do think their constitution is worth fighting for. And I think they would be incredibly foolish if they destroyed some of the fundamental points of it.

Maybe it’s outdated, maybe it doesn’t help a well armed militia when a future government might use fighter jets on the population. But giving up what is their right is insanity.

We need (in the western world) less government restrictions on citizens, not more. The only reason the US doesn’t resemble the hellscape the UK have created for their citizens is the constitution.

 

[nikkig98]

Agree with most of what you said, but it’s not about picking or choosing. Some people draw a line and refuse to go past that line. That’s all it is.

You bring up government overreach and the invasion of peoples rights, yet expect people to give up more rights because of that?

Anyway I feel like we're just gonna disagree on this so no point arguing any further. At the end of the day, you're allowed to have your opinion and that's fine, I promise im not looking to demonise you or anything and no hard feelings

 

[jwikked]

I never said that.

But I am saying the seppos gave up rights a long time ago.

What point are you trying to make, then? They’ve given up rights, so giving up more is ok?

I’d say they’ve given up too much and giving any more isn’t worth it.

 

[Stan_Darsh72]

What point are you trying to make, then? They’ve given up rights, so giving up more is ok?

I’d say they’ve given up too much and giving any more isn’t worth it.

They gave up their rights to capital a long time ago.

You talk government but hate to break to you but after citizens united, Corpetations have more rights than people in the US.

Want rights back they have to go after companies.

 

[Winmar2Lockett]

I’m not drawing the line at anything, but I do think their constitution is worth fighting for. And I think they would be incredibly foolish if they destroyed some of the fundamental points of it.

Maybe it’s outdated, maybe it doesn’t help a well armed militia when a future government might use fighter jets on the population. But giving up what is their right is insanity.

We need (in the western world) less government restrictions on citizens, not more. The only reason the US doesn’t resemble the hellscape the UK have created for their citizens is the constitution.

Maaaate, their constitution is being ignored/pissed on on a daily basis right now. For all intents and purposes, it doesn't exist.

They're not fighting for it because the government that is walking all over it says spicey racistey stuff that a lot of them agree with.

Their fantasy to be armed to fight against an oppressive government is laughable... how do you reckon their pissy little AR15s would go against the US Army & a swarm of unmanned drones? It may have been a thing 275 years ago but now?

Let's be honest, 2A is a marketing ploy led by the NRA & funded by weapons manufacturers. The fact that they fight against even the most basic licensing and character checks proves that they don't give AF about kids being shot up let alone a loudmouth podcaster.

If you reckon the UK is a hellscape then FMD, what is the US?

 

[StFly]

It’s in the constitution, which is all that matters to them. I like that, it helps prevent an erosion of rights that governments around the world are engaging in.

In a few months time, anyone wanting to watch pr0n in Australia will need to show their ID. That goes for more than just pr0n.
Our rights are being eroded, I’m not surprised there are people in the US willing to fight for their rights and not have them taken away

Just on this bit, find it a bit rich really just because some spoof their way to such ventures the rest of everyone has to DMV being an adult to random services they might use is a bit archaic, just goes to show how little shit government gives to services and support in the long term to their populaces.

Everyone has an ISP they connect with, relatively easy for gov to go "oi, ISP, this location have adults in it yeah?" but nah, too hard apparently.

Can see it going down swimmingly and likely getting repealed since it's not like you can actually enforce it.

 

[mighty_sainters]

I’m actually really thankful that I don’t have one bit of interest in any form of politics.

 

[bergholt]

Assassinations and conspiracy theories have gone hand in hand a lot longer than the internet has been around.

The most sensible explanation is that it's a crazy lone wolf, regardless of their political affiliation.

But are you telling me that you'd be shocked if it turned out to be a false flag, Israel, Russia, China, Iran or North Korea trying to create more civil unrest.

The guy didn't have the sort of security a political leader does, but he had similar weight in the culture wars. Nobody on either side of the aisle benefit from his death, but people with a vested interest in American disunity do.

Also, there are other places you can read about geopolitical shenanigans from the past... they're called books and sometimes when you read enough of them you start seeing potential parallels between current events and events from the past. If you read even more of them, you don't even need to have podcasters tell you what to think, it's crazy.

Yeah so because of geopolitical shenanigans, personally I choose not to draw any conclusions from this sort of shit or even pay too much attention to it, because I know I'll never know the actual truth.

It's sad that a dude got killed, it's sad when anyone gets killed. But we don't have to pick sides on it. It's not an ironclad rule of the world that we all have to be on one side or the other of every possible issue, even though the internet makes it seem that way.

 

[MUFKilda]

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While you're right jwikked, I find it tough to find sympathy for someone who said this after a school shooting in 2023. You reap what you sow. Especially when you use it to profiteer from peoples suffering and make money grifting.

Very true. The guy said many things I found disgusting. I think he was a crank by the standards of Britain and Australia, but it's America, where crazy is mainstream. He gave me the creeps, but he didn't deserve to be murdered. The footage of his death is horrendous to see: just a fraction of a second and it was done.

A couple of days have passed, so I'm surprised the authorities don't yet have a suspect named. It will come, somebody will recognise him. It certainly seems to have been well planned. To have done that with several thousand people around requires daring.

America is so polarised just now, and, to be honest, Kirk made his contribution to sowing division. He reveled in it and made a lot of money from it. He also made a lot of enemies along the way, but there is no justification for what happened. Who knows what the ramifications might be.

 

[Geary Is GOAT]

It was all over social media.

Was it though? I literally had to google key words to even know what was being talked about here.

Social media algorithms have a lot to answer for.

 

[gringo2011]

It’s in the constitution, which is all that matters to them. I like that, it helps prevent an erosion of rights that governments around the world are engaging in.

In a few months time, anyone wanting to watch pr0n in Australia will need to show their ID. That goes for more than just pr0n.
Our rights are being eroded, I’m not surprised there are people in the US willing to fight for their rights and not have them taken away

They are already gone but they like to feel free. Most western nations are doing the shit we used to accuse China and Russia of. Mass surveillance, political arrests, blocking rights to protest etc.

 

[gringo2011]

So just voluntarily give everything up?

The patriot act was the start of it. Now they use data to know more about you than you know yourself. They can track everything you do through your mobile phone. Any sense of freedom is an illusion already and it will only get more so.

 

[gringo2011]

Murder is not acceptable in any form.

The strange thing is that there are some that try to make out that this is some new occurrence in the US.

The history of the US as a nation is built on violence and political violence has been at the forefront.

This is not some new thing of left v right.

The only difference is that in terms of recent history. Eg. 30 or so years the political violence has been to a degree dormant.

It's really bizarre how much media coverage of him there is. It's like a monarch died. Most Aussies would never have heard of him. I only know him from seeing him being reposted saying controversial rage bait shit.

 

[Stan_Darsh72]

The patriot act was the start of it. Now they use data to know more about you than you know yourself. They can track everything you do through your mobile phone. Any sense of freedom is an illusion already and it will only get more so.

Smart devices pretty much mean you are under watch.

I don't need an app for my fridge, it just needs to keep my beer cold.

Also Dash Cam Videos Australia might be the GOAT Australian internet content, even more than our shitposting on meme pages.

 

[gringo2011]

I’m not drawing the line at anything, but I do think their constitution is worth fighting for. And I think they would be incredibly foolish if they destroyed some of the fundamental points of it.

Maybe it’s outdated, maybe it doesn’t help a well armed militia when a future government might use fighter jets on the population. But giving up what is their right is insanity.

We need (in the western world) less government restrictions on citizens, not more. The only reason the US doesn’t resemble the hellscape the UK have created for their citizens is the constitution.

The free speech one is interesting Trump looks like he'll take that away or at least erode it. It's one thing I wish we had. We have really ridiculous defamation laws here where it's really easy to win cases compared to most countries too.

I don't want to fight with a gun but I'd love to be able to say what I thought without repercussions.