Mega Thread The Random Thoughts Thread Part 1

[Eddie Dingle]

#youaintnomuslimbruv

 

[Lagooner]

You know there could be a connection between those two paragraphs.

No it's clearly Sony's fault for not making the phone Pappagallo-proof!

 

[Portology]

Since it was brought up, the soccer fans engaging in this protest are a pack of f***wits.

All but a handful of the people who have been banned from attending the soccer have been banned because they absolutely deserved to be banned and have no business behaving the way they behaved at the football.

The A-League (which I have no love for at all, btw) was founded on the principle of reducing this sort of violence and fear, and creating a family friendly atmosphere. People starting fights, bringing weapons into the ground and lighting flares goes against what the A-League want in a crowd.

You don't get this at footy games, you don't get this at the cricket. This is purely ******* idiots who have watched Green Street Hooligans a few too many times and think they can behave that way because they're at the soccer. Ban every single one of the campaigners who causes trouble. If we don't, we'll end up like Europe where fans get bashed and stabbed to death and people wont wear their team's colours for fear of attack at some grounds.

Sure, there are a handful of people who probably didn't deserve bans as severe as what they got, but those people are a drop in the ocean compared to the people who absolutely deserved their ban and shouldn't be allowed at games.

If A-League admin had any balls or any brains, they'd use the get-tough crowd clean-up as a bigger draw for families etc. They ought to find it even easier to fill their grounds once the d***ckheads have been removed. Their game's growth depends on doing that, surely, as general fan idiocy and administrative idiocy have been holding back Australian soccer for generations.

Instead they're tentatively negotiating an appeals process with hundreds of sporting "terrorist" clowns (absolutely no "racial profiling" intended) who know full well that intentionally clogging up the system will force the FFA to back off enforcement, ejecting fewer rowdy or dangerous fans.

Fair old free kick for AFL promoters in there somewhere. Let's hope our code's admins have the brains to use it.


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[edgie]

Why is soccer so poisonous?

 

[Dylan8]

Why is soccer so poisonous?

its dems bloody wogs terrorists the lot of em

 

[ozph1870]

Why is soccer so poisonous?

the game is so boring, nothing happens might as well get fked up and start a rumble

 

[Jim Dixon]

Why is Australian soccer so poisonous?

Here in Canada people follow the MLS and have a good time and there's no dramas at all. It is quite a contrast.

 

[Kickpuncher]

the game is so boring, nothing happens might as well get fked up and start a rumble

Nothing wrong with the sport itself. It's just a majority of Australian soccer fans are total ****wits.

 

[ozph1870]

Nothing wrong with the sport itself. It's just a majority of Australian soccer fans are total *******s.

yeah theres never been any trouble at a soccer match overseas...

 

[Portology]

Why is soccer so poisonous?

IMO it starts with different factors in different cultures/societies, plus a couple of things unique to the sport, and thanks to 100 years of ever improving media and transportation technology, soccer fandom itself is now an international vector of a culture of its own...

Soccer was for generations the only easily available "release" for people living in poor countries or under regimes where they had little joy in their lives other than their layers of tribal identity and group belonging. I imagine this at play even in old school Australian Rules footy crowds say up to the 1930s Depression era. Read descriptions of classic 1930s VFA crowd riots. Housebricks, fence pickets and iron bars for the lads; hatpins and sharp umbrellas for the ladies... rather than pissant little flares. Today's A-League "tooligans" would have run off with their tails between their legs.

But there has to be more to it than that.

the game is so boring, nothing happens might as well get fked up and start a rumble

The Nature of the Play: you have a large, dense, relatively low-attention-span crowd watching a relatively short game where there is very little on field action for 99% of game time, where you can safely ignore most of the game without missing the infrequent, sudden "orgasms" of excitement, all in winter weather, where excitement = warmth. In those conditions, some people seeking a bit of release will blow up unless there are strong cultural barriers to it. Cricket is slightly different, the game is longer, weather hotter, people are eventually more tired than hyped up, and even though (in Tests) little seems to happen for long periods, you *know* something can happen at any time, IMO there's a slightly stronger "driver" to watch more of the bloody game versus singing tribal songs. AFL and Rugby codes IMO demand a viewer's attention even more and there are differences in the nature of the action as well as the quantity and distribution of it...

Footy, NRL, Union and even cricket, give off a constant feeling of potential "physicality" or "brutality" on field that just doesn't exist in soccer (%^*$ing Kevin Muscat aside). Even genteel cricket: think bouncers, sword like batting strokes, a batsman hit, or even a ball driven into a short fielder. Some of the frustrations you bring into the gate are physically taken out by one side on the other, in a way that IMO just doesn't happen in soccer.

its dems bloody wogs terrorists the lot of em

Tribal layers in soccer crowds can be national (Greeks v Turks), religious (Rangers/Celtic), social (Boca/River Plate), regional (Liverpool/Man U, Spurs/Arsenal), political (Real/Barca) or ethnic (Beograd/Croatia crowds of my experience in SA soccer!), and they overlap (as with Spurs being long associated with North London's Jewish community). You don't get many chances to win a war, soccer has always been abused as a proxy by populists. Mussolini bought referees in a World Cup to ensure Italian victory. Hungarians still bear grudges over the 1954 World Cup final. Honduras invades Guatemala over a soccer match. Croats at Euro games wave a subtle variation of their national "checkerboard" pattern that makes it a replica of their fascist WWII flag. All sources of very strong underlying emotions. Australia vs NZ or vs England is simply not a war no matter how controversial the game (Bodyline, Underarm, etc). You'd struggle to find differences worth regular mass punch ups in an Australian football crowd unless oh, a Great Depression or something ratcheted up any small societal tensions. We joke about toffs from Sturt vs working lads of the Port but that became a stereotype more than reality generations ago, and it is and was mostly a bit of a joke.

Here in Canada people follow the MLS and have a good time and there's no dramas at all. It is quite a contrast.

Like AFL and cricket, US football and baseball don't have a history of crowd riots either. I think that says something about open societies, social mobility, and the overwhelming net "good" of migration-heavy societies as a salad bowl and melting pot.

Nothing wrong with the sport itself. It's just a majority of Australian soccer fans are total *******s.

The sport is what it is, IMO that contributes psychologically and culturally, but the current degenerate subset of A-League fans is mostly a small bunch of entitled d***heads copying overseas trends, and also copying **** they saw their dads doing in the 1970s and 1980s in any number of countries, including here and also are letting themselves be led by an even smaller core of idiot leaders. The response ought to be zero tolerance and not to negotiate with them but soccer admin here has a history of shooting itself in the foot.

 

[Steve Dore]

Why is soccer so poisonous?

Soccer clubs in Australia are effectively formed along ethnic lines so the old hatreds of generations in Europe are carried on even though the vast majority of the protagonist are second or third generation Australians.

 

[Powerstufff]

Soccer clubs in Australia are effectively formed along ethnic lines so the old hatreds of generations in Europe are carried on even though the vast majority of the protagonist are second or third generation Australians.

Makes it actually sound interesting. I thought their main purpose was to make the continued production of marine flares economically feasible.

 

[68vette]

 

[SilenceOz]

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...What
Do you really need an ambulance for such things?

 

[Doctor Feel]

...What
Do you really need an ambulance for such things?

Yes.

 

[Doctor Feel]

 

[HugeJohnson]

Have a spare ticket to Chris Cornell at 8 tonight at festival theatre, real short notice but peanut butter is a pretty good spread isn't it?
The only downside is you'll have to sit next to me

 

[HugeJohnson]

Thought I'd task myself with leaving it to the last day and finding some Sheila to ask but then I got pissed at the pub and left myself with 53 minutes

 

[HugeJohnson]

Can I find someone in that time? The challenge is on. It's like the amazing race but it's almost nothing like it at all

 

[HugeJohnson]

There's a cuteish girl on the train I could ask, she's the only other person on the carriage, could be a sign from a higher being?

 

[HugeJohnson]

Wait never mind, I just did a double take, she looks a bit like a bullfrogs skeleton

 

[HugeJohnson]

Shit I'm working up a sweat here this is a lot of pressure, otherwise I'll have an empty seat next to me and the whole audience might stand up and laugh at me or Chris Cornell might point out there's an empty seat next to me and dedicate a song to me called Loneliness

 

[HugeJohnson]

But I'm not actually lonely just to be clear I just don't want the ticket to go to waste if there's someone wants to go. Then again everyone who actually wants to go would have already bought a ticket

 

[HugeJohnson]

I'm rambling mama gimme sum dat peanut butter slap it on my bum and I'll smear it with my thumb


Uh oh

 

[Dylan8]

No update in 8 minutes I'm concerned