Mega Thread The Random Thoughts Thread Part 1

[Killer Power]

It is self centered but I would challenge anyone not to be in that situation. The Qld floods impacted thousands, this is 8 houses.

 

[JimmyBeerCans]

I'm struggling to feel sympathy for people who build or buy a pins head off the shoreline sorry.

 

[Steve Dore]

This is one of my favourite sketches.

That's one of my favourites also

 

[Steve Dore]

I'm struggling to feel sympathy for people who build or buy a pins head off the shoreline sorry.

I really felt for the poor women on the news the other night blaming it all on the local council for not spending millions of rate payers' dollars to build an enormous sea wall to protect her investment.

 

[Killer Power]

I'm struggling to feel sympathy for people who build or buy a pins head off the shoreline sorry.

The houses weren't put there yesterday. Were they meant to foresee this issue?

 

[Killer Power]

I really felt for the poor women on the news the other night blaming it all on the local council for not spending millions of rate payers' dollars to build an enormous sea wall to protect her investment.

Gee, anyone would think that nothing had changed in the climate meaning houses previously not at risk were now subject to previously unseen water levels.

 

[Dylan8]

Gee, anyone would think that nothing had changed in the climate meaning houses previously not at risk were now subject to previously unseen water levels.

Our governments acting on climate change? Are you having me on here matey?

 

[Killer Power]

Our governments acting on climate change? Are you having me on here matey?
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Everyone's favourite homphobic, anti-Islamist conservative. Don't even get me started on the beat up of the risk of terrorism and the personal liberties we have dispensed with in the name of keeping Australia safe.

 

[Lagooner]

Our governments acting on climate change? Are you having me on here matey?
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The only green thing that should bear Cory Bernardi's moniker is Soylent Green.

 

[Doctor Feel]

I'm struggling to feel sympathy for people who build or buy a pins head off the shoreline sorry.

You would think if they had 4 million to buy the place, they would have spare cash for reports on erosion and the possibility of building barriers. You live on a cliff you idiot.

 

[Janus]

The houses weren't put there yesterday. Were they meant to foresee this issue?

If you do research, you'll discover that coastal erosion has destroyed homes along the foreshore for decades.

“So then, anyone who hears these words of mine and obeys them is like a wise man who built his house on rock. The rain poured down, the rivers flooded over, and the wind blew hard against that house. But it did not fall, because it was built on rock.

“But anyone who hears these words of mine and does not obey them is like a foolish man who built his house on sand. The rain poured down, the rivers flooded over, the wind blew hard against that house, and it fell. And what a terrible fall that was!”

If they knew back in the 1st century not to build on sand because it's ****ing stupid, then yeah, they were meant to foresee this issue.

 

[Killer Power]

And finally someone has come out and said what the real issue is. Not that they were silly to live there, not that they are self centered....but that they have money so screw them. Tall poppy syndrome is alive and well.

 

[Killer Power]

If you do research, you'll discover that coastal erosion has destroyed homes along the foreshore for decades.

“So then, anyone who hears these words of mine and obeys them is like a wise man who built his house on rock. The rain poured down, the rivers flooded over, and the wind blew hard against that house. But it did not fall, because it was built on rock.

“But anyone who hears these words of mine and does not obey them is like a foolish man who built his house on sand. The rain poured down, the rivers flooded over, the wind blew hard against that house, and it fell. And what a terrible fall that was!”

If they knew back in the 1st century not to build on sand because it's ******* stupid, then yeah, they were meant to foresee this issue.

And yet these houses have been there for decades and not been impacted previously. Adjacent areas up and down that coast have had protective seawalls put in place. They are now being asked to pay $140k each to contribute to a seawall to stop it happening again. I'm fairly certain that if poor Joe Citizen living in the vicinity of the Georges River was flooded out and a levy built to stop it happening again that they wouldn't be told "user pays".

 

[Lagooner]

If you do research, you'll discover that coastal erosion has destroyed homes along the foreshore for decades.

“So then, anyone who hears these words of mine and obeys them is like a wise man who built his house on rock. The rain poured down, the rivers flooded over, and the wind blew hard against that house. But it did not fall, because it was built on rock.

“But anyone who hears these words of mine and does not obey them is like a foolish man who built his house on sand. The rain poured down, the rivers flooded over, the wind blew hard against that house, and it fell. And what a terrible fall that was!”

If they knew back in the 1st century not to build on sand because it's ******* stupid, then yeah, they were meant to foresee this issue.

Exactly.

Don't your build your house on the edge of the world and it won't fall off. Simples.

 

[Doctor Feel]

And yet these houses have been there for decades and not been impacted previously. Adjacent areas up and down that coast have had protective seawalls put in place. They are now being asked to pay $140k each to contribute to a seawall to stop it happening again. I'm fairly certain that if poor Joe Citizen living in the vicinity of the Georges River was flooded out and a levy built to stop it happening again that they wouldn't be told "user pays".

Yet they didn't. Smart. They should know that their insurance doesn't cover this as an act of god, they can opt for specified insurance to cover this if they wanted to however.

Second bolded bit, I think you'll find flooding is covered by insurance and you are comparing apples with oranges.

 

[Janus]

And yet these houses have been there for decades and not been impacted previously. Adjacent areas up and down that coast have had protective seawalls put in place. They are now being asked to pay $140k each to contribute to a seawall to stop it happening again. I'm fairly certain that if poor Joe Citizen living in the vicinity of the Georges River was flooded out and a levy built to stop it happening again that they wouldn't be told "user pays".

Garry Egger lost the family beachfront home to the ocean 38 years ago, and says nothing has changed since then in terms of protection from erosion.

The Egger family home at Terrigal on the NSW Central Coast, and the house beside it, made international headlines in June 1978, when the sand dunes beneath them vanished and they were swallowed by the sea in the wake of a June storm.

Dr Egger says the “rich man’s rip” left the house vulnerable.

“The council approved an apartment block about three houses from us. When they were first hit by the erosion, council approved a rock wall in front. That made the ocean come around the side in what is now called a ‘rich man’s rip’,” says Dr Egger, who now lives “on a hill” in Manly.

He said rich man’s rips were perhaps the reason councils were reluctant to let locals go it alone when it comes to protecting millionaires’ rows of beachfront homes.

Erosion in front of South Narrabeen SLSC in 1966. Courtesy Dee Why LibrarySource:Supplied

The loss of the Egger family home is often revisited when it comes to millionaires’ rows by the sea — not because the Eggers paid a lot for it (Dr Egger says it was bought in the 1950s by his schoolteacher father when it wasn’t common to live by the beach), but because it was one of the first cases of the sea swallowing a property built on sand dunes.

And also because Dr Egger sued Gosford Council for approving units and the sea wall.

The case dragged on for 10 years, ending in 1987.

“We won on the facts and lost on the law, which set up a precedent for councils in NSW dealing with this problem,” Dr Egger says of the case which canvassed how an emergency seawall built to protect the unit block further up the beach essentially directed the pounding surf towards the Egger home.

And 38 years on, as he’s watching the same happen at Collaroy.

“Then, as now, it was seen as an act of God, so even though you’ve paid insurance for 40 years as we had done you lose,” he says.

Despite his own experience, Dr Egger says councils should not be responsible for protecting private homes from the sea. And nor should citizens be allowed to erect their own protection.

“Once you’ve got rock down in front of a property you either have to put it all along the beach or not at all — it’s all or nothing,” he said.

“Almost four decades on we haven’t got much further than rich man’s rips — it’s a political problem when councils put money into building a wall to protect private property when people inland are screaming for money for facilities that can’t be paid for.

“In retrospect we should never have been allowed to build on the sand bank.

“The fact is you’ll never be able to legislate against, or build against or blame anyone for the power of the sea. You can’t sue, or legislate against Mother Nature.”

He believes the only solution is land buy backs or “planned retreats” but observes these are policies the land owners don’t seem keen on.

“They (private beachfront landowners) will spend a lot of time and energy and money trying to get their places protected but the fact is eventually many if not most of them will be encroached.”

http://www.news.com.au/national/is-...t/news-story/37842853b935d2e78faa4d4f7deb2ff2

 

[Doctor Feel]

Dylan8 be like "COP THAT BOOMER CAMPAIGNERS!"

 

[edgie]

Ummm, I'm fairly sure that if the house I worked all my life to buy was about to tumble into the ocean and that my insurance company was unlikely to cough up due to "act of the sea" that I would be thinking more about my own misfortune than that of others also. Context is important.

Nah it isn't. I wonder if these people have ever experienced human tragedy? Terminal illness, sickness, loved ones, friends and family dying before they get to collect a pension. Abuse and dysfunction. Conscripted to War.

It's just a house. They still own the land. It's value won't diminish permanently. People always gonna buy houses in areas like that, a freak storm in 2016 isn't gonna put anybody off in 2022.


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[Dylan8]

Dylan8 be like "COP THAT BOOMER CAMPAIGNERS!"

Man if you have that much money you have a pretty broad choice of places to live. Why live in a house likely to literally fall into the sea? Just..


It sucks for them, I guess.

 

[finbarr]

Gee, anyone would think that nothing had changed in the climate meaning houses previously not at risk were now subject to previously unseen water levels.

Yet they keep voting in a climate change denier as their local member.

 

[Doctor Feel]

Yet they keep voting in a climate change denier as their local member.

muh strata title investments

 

[tribey]

Yet they keep voting in a climate change denier as their local member.

As the century progresses and more of the extreme weather conditions predicted increasingly bite the interests of those who think the scientific consensus on anthropological climate change is something some "commie ****ter dreamt up at an atheists' convention", they'll blame Rudd and Gillard for not being getting Copenhagen and the Carbon Tax through.

Reminiscent of the SA Libs whining about increasing power bills for the past 15 years despite them privatising ETSA and falsely promising prices wouldn't go up.

Shameless.

 

[Killer Power]

Yet they keep voting in a climate change denier as their local member.

Yeah, will pay that one

 

[Killer Power]

Yet they didn't. Smart. They should know that their insurance doesn't cover this as an act of god, they can opt for specified insurance to cover this if they wanted to however.

Second bolded bit, I think you'll find flooding is covered by insurance and you are comparing apples with oranges.

Yeah it isnt and no im not

 

[Killer Power]

Nah it isn't. I wonder if these people have ever experienced human tragedy? Terminal illness, sickness, loved ones, friends and family dying before they get to collect a pension. Abuse and dysfunction. Conscripted to War.

It's just a house. They still own the land. It's value won't diminish permanently. People always gonna buy houses in areas like that, a freak storm in 2016 isn't gonna put anybody off in 2022.


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So back to the start and the irony of the original post which was effectively "why are these people who brought it on themselves so upset about their houses when they should be thinking about those people who chose to drive into flood waters despite much warning".

Do you think that becausepeople have money they don't experience these things? Money doesn't buy happiness.