Mega Thread The Random Thoughts Thread Part 1

[raman]

Nobody is "jumping on the gay marriage bandwagon" like people jumped on the Kony bandwagon. People already support this stuff en masse. It's not really a lot different to putting your bat out for Phil Hughes or wearing pink to the 3rd day of the Sydney test for breast cancer.

It must be tough being a conservative. Basically you're consenting, by definition, to being on the wrong side of history in absolutely everything. lawl

 

[bomberclifford]

Labor are just populist douchebags who stand for nothing at the moment. They go with what they think is popular politically and have zero core values.

True, but their reluctance to touch the issue as well points to a deeper issue than just "Tony Abbott and the Christian right".

Unfortunately, I think that it's the majority of Australians that are, at best, 'not for it', and both major parties know it.

 

[El_Scorcho]

True, but their reluctance to touch the issue as well points to a deeper issue than just "Tony Abbott and the Christian right".

Unfortunately, I think that it's the majority of Australians that are, at best, 'not for it', and both major parties know it.

No, I think the parties have cottoned on to the fact that Australians are for it, which is why Labor has changed their tune.

The Coalition are dogmatic enough conservatively to fight til the bitter end though.

 

[edgie]

I don't think most Australians are for it. Just the noisy ones on social media. The great unwashed are just as intolerant as ever.

 

[raman]

Unfortunately, I think that it's the majority of Australians that are, at best, 'not for it', and both major parties know it.

I don't think most Australians are for it. Just the noisy ones on social media. The great unwashed are just as intolerant as ever.

 

[edgie]

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Because all 20 million people were aware of that and jumped on the net to do that poll.

Edit: just seen the fine print. 1400 people. Less than an SANFL match. Small sample size.

 

[raman]

Because all 20 million people were aware of that and jumped on the net to do that poll.

Edit: just seen the fine print. 1400 people. Less than an SANFL match. Small sample size.

Oh shit, you'd better call this 40 year old international market research company and school them on the concept of a representative sample.

 

[Andre]

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Quoting a Fairfax poll to support a Left position is like quoting a Fox News one to support a Right position. Just stick the damn question as a referendum question alongside the next Federal election, with it clear if it doesn't pass it won't be considered again for at least 10 years. Either it's done or we can stop having the arguments going round in circles. There's a win there either way.

 

[LukeSA]

Because all 20 million people were aware of that and jumped on the net to do that poll.

Edit: just seen the fine print. 1400 people. Less than an SANFL match. Small sample size.

I always used to laugh at the galaxy polls near election time that says that X party is gaining ground, these polls mean absolutely nothing.

 

[raman]

Quoting a Fairfax poll to support a Left position is like quoting a Fox News one to support a Right position.

I'm not quoting a poll to support any position other than my position on where the public opinion dial is pointing. If you can provide a recent poll by a major media outlet and/or research company which says something else, out with it.

 

[Doctor Feel]

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I wonder if they put the "i dont give a shit" into the support column.

 

[Steve Dore]

baffles me why any living breathing thing wants to get married

What baffles me is why so many people that hold a similar view to that are so strongly opposed to marriage equality.

 

[raman]

I wonder if they put the "i dont give a shit" into the support column.

I hope they did. It's absolutely the correct position for anyone except gay people who want to get married.

 

[Dylan8]

I'm justglad we stopped Kony by liking all those pages

What's he up to these days

 

[Dylan8]

I hope they did. It's absolutely the correct position for anyone except gay people who want to get married.

I would like gay people to have the same right to miserable monogamy as I have. It's not something I think about massively but it does slightly annoy me that we're holding back from it for one reason: religion. When is that ever a good thing.

 

[Doctor Feel]

I hope they did. It's absolutely the correct position for anyone except gay people who want to get married.

I agree. Not opposing it is really the same as supporting it. I just want our politicans to do the same as 'murica so that we can move on to other things.

Big moment in modern history though, and I can appreciate that. Even though I'm a conservative.

 

[raman]

I would like gay people to have the same right to miserable monogamy as I have. It's not something I think about massively but it does slightly annoy me that we're holding back from it for one reason: religion. When is that ever a good thing.

No question. My point is it only becomes an issue in the first place because of the opposition. So it's disingenuous of the likes of Dr. Feel to carry on about how the whole thing is no big deal when it's only the types of twats he votes for making it a big deal.

 

[Doctor Feel]

I would like gay people to have the same right to miserable monogamy as I have. It's not something I think about massively but it does slightly annoy me that we're holding back from it for one reason: religion. When is that ever a good thing.

Religion really isn't a basis for the argument i agree, I don't even rate marriage personally as at all important. My misses begs to differ though

I think their position is understandable in a way given their party is meant to be conservative. They are holding true to that, but given the increasing support I wouldn't think they can hold onto that much longer.

 

[edgie]

I would like gay people to have the same right to miserable monogamy as I have. It's not something I think about massively but it does slightly annoy me that we're holding back from it for one reason: religion. When is that ever a good thing.

Are we? Plenty of intolerant atheists. Don't let the shroud of religion take all the heat. Sure, a lot of people are religiously motivated, but a lot aren't.

 

[Dylan8]

Are we? Plenty of intolerant atheists. Don't let the shroud of religion take all the heat. Sure, a lot of people are religiously motivated, but a lot aren't.

What have atheists done to influence policy in a negative way? Subjective of course but atheists aren't lobbying en masse to hold back somewhat basic privileges of other people.

 

[chiwigi]

No question. My point is it only becomes an issue in the first place because of the opposition. So it's disingenuous of the likes of Dr. Feel to carry on about how the whole thing is no big deal when it's only the types of twats he votes for making it a big deal.

Part of the issue in America is that it's an undemocratic decision, there has been no majority vote on it in many places where it has been put to vote.
As for Australia being 'behind' we are one of very few countries who recognise de facto rights of same sex couples and civil unions. This does make is strange that we still don't allow 'marriage', though that will be shortly changed.

 

[tribey]

Are we? Plenty of intolerant atheists. Don't let the shroud of religion take all the heat. Sure, a lot of people are religiously motivated, but a lot aren't.

Issues such as gay marriage, stem-cell research and abortion are always couched in religious dogma, whereas religious freedoms allow you to pursue your personal beliefs (within reason - you can't pull out the pinking shears and indulge in a little FGM, for instance).

Me? I wouldn't mind a game of footy on Fish Friday.

 

[Dylan8]

I actually don't understand what your question (are we?) is even responding to in my post

 

[chiwigi]

What have atheists done to influence policy in a negative way? Subjective of course but atheists aren't lobbying en masse to hold back somewhat basic privileges of other people.

There are plenty of homophobic atheists. It's not a religious disease.

 

[JimmyBeerCans]

What baffles me is why so many people that hold a similar view to that are so strongly opposed to marriage equality.

Not me brother you could all marry gerbils for all I care