The Real AFL MVP - 2025 Edition

[Fadge]

Jeepers.

We're going 'average coaches votes per game' now in 2025?

But that wasn't a thing in 2023?

The hypocrisy knows no boundaries.

 

[bzparkes]

So, Daicos not even the best player on his team yet his coach is crying he didn't win the Brownlow.

Weird when he himself thought Cameron was better this year.

 

[South of the Yarra]

Holmes and Dunkley are vastly superior players to Darcy Cameron. Daicos as the clear standout midfielder of his side somehow still didn't win the BnF.

Ablett Senior won, one B and F and no Brownlow's. How is he is GOAT discussions?

 

[Lunchtime]

Jeepers.

We're going 'average coaches votes per game' now in 2025?

But that wasn't a thing in 2023?

The hypocrisy knows no boundaries.

Just like you are obssessed with average brownlow votes per game in regards to Nick Daicos. Works both ways old boy.

 

[Fadge]

Holmes and Dunkley are vastly superior players to Darcy Cameron. Daicos as the clear standout midfielder of his side somehow still didn't win the BnF.

'Vastly superior'?

Holmes and Dunkley in the AA squad without getting a guernsey, Cameron an unlucky omission from the AA squad, after making it in 2024.

 

[Fadge]

Just like you are obssessed with average brownlow votes per game in regards to Nick Daicos. Works both ways old boy.

Except....

It only works with Mr Meow when it suits him.

Which is my point.

 

[bzparkes]

 

[Mr Meow]

Ablett Senior won, one B and F and no Brownlow's. How is he is GOAT discussions?

Probably his hundreds of amazing goals. He polled poorly in every voting system known to man. In general it's tougher for forwards and especially ones that are pricks.

 

[Fadge]

Just like you are obssessed with average brownlow votes per game in regards to Nick Daicos. Works both ways old boy.

And when rating the 'Real MVP', I've never referenced 'average votes per game' - it's always been about 'season output'.

Because I don't use data differently when it suits a certain narrative.

Unlike others.

 

[Mr Meow]

Except....

It only works with Mr Meow when it suits him.

Which is my point.

Pot, kettle.

It's still hardly a clearly dominant season relative to peers with the information I presented. Throw a bit of finals weighting on and McCluggage is ahead on coaches votes total too.

 

[South of the Yarra]

Probably his hundreds of amazing goals. He polled poorly in every voting system known to man. In general it's tougher for forwards and especially ones that are pricks.

Sorry his own club did not recognise him, only 1 B and F. Unfortunately, cannot be considered now. His own coaches rated him only once as the best at his club. Lockett seemed to do ok winning a Brownlow.

 

[Fadge]

Pot, kettle.

I've pointed out 25 different ways that you've been inconsistent with your data analysis in this thread alone, just to suit your preferred conclusion.

Feel free to point out where I've been inconsistent across the 3 years I've been awarding the full season MVP, or even when retrospectively awarding them.

The formula is there for a to see.

 

[Mr Meow]

'Vastly superior'?

Holmes and Dunkley in the AA squad without getting a guernsey, Cameron an unlucky omission from the AA squad, after making it in 2024.

Holmes was far unluckier to miss the 22 than Camerom was to miss the 44. Back to back BnFs for the 2nd best team of the 2024-2025 period: once as a defender, once as a midfielder.

Dunkley stands up in big games time and time again during this Brisbane run. His defensive duties mean he'll never be a Brownlow fancy etc but he is arguably the best player in the league in his accountable midfielder role.

Both much better players than Darcy Cameron.

 

[Mr Meow]

Sorry his own club did not recognise him, only 1 B and F. Unfortunately, cannot be considered now. his own coaches rated him only once as the best at his club. Lockett seemed to do ok winning a Brownlow.

No problem with any of that.

Like I said Ablett isn't talked about because of Brownlow or BnF wins. Nor is Lance Franklin.

 

[Fadge]

Holmes was far unluckier to miss the 22 than Camerom was to miss the 44. Back to back BnFs for the 2nd best team of the 2024-2025 period: once as a defender, once as a midfielder.

Dunkley stands up in big games time and time again during this Brisbane run. His defensive duties mean he'll never be a Brownlow fancy etc but he is arguably the best player in the league in his accountable midfielder role.

Both much better players than Darcy Cameron.

You'd better send a memo to the players and tell them how wrong the were voting Daicos their MVP.

And the umpires for voting Nick 2nd.

And the Coaches for voting Nick 4th.

And Channel 9 for voting Nick 1st.

 

[Mr Meow]

You'd better send a memo to the players and tell them how wrong the were voting Daicos their MVP.

And the umpires for voting Nick 2nd.

And the Coaches for voting Nick 4th.

And Channel 9 for voting Nick 1st.

Channel 9 haha. Scraping the barrel now.

The players rewarded Daicos' fine few seasons. I presented the data concerning the game by game voting systems (tallies and averages). Now we are simply watching your brain implode.

 

[Lunchtime]

You'd better send a memo to the players and tell them how wrong the were voting Daicos their MVP.

And the umpires for voting Nick 2nd.

And the Coaches for voting Nick 4th.

And Channel 9 for voting Nick 1st.

Who takes media awards seriously? Channel awards = just token really.

 

[Fadge]

The players rewarded Daicos' fine few seasons.

Is that what they told you?

Cool.

 

[Fadge]

I presented the data concerning the game by game voting systems (tallies and averages). Now we are simply watching your brain implode.

You haven't yet explained why finals were barely considered in 2023, but they were the major influencing factor in 2025.

Or why average coaches votes were referenced in 2025, but not in 2023.

I could go on....

 

[Fadge]

Who takes media awards seriously? Channel awards = just token really.

Just yet another reference point.

I'm sure you guys would be the first to reference it if Daicos DIDN'T win it.

I mean, you had jumped on every thread on BigFooty announcing that Daicos had been knocked off in the Copeland within two minutes of the count finishing.

 

[Mr Meow]

You haven't yet explained why finals were barely considered in 2023, but they were the major influencing factor in 2025.

Or why average coaches votes were referenced in 2025, but not in 2023.

I could go on....

Actually I did cover it. Daicos had 7 coaches votes finals (pre-GF adjustment) in 2023. Less than half of McCluggage this season. 4th on the Ayres leaderboard (pre-GF adjustment) for McCluggage in 2025, 15th for Daicos in 2023.

A clear BOG in an away prelim for Hugh. Daicos with some equal 3rd and 4th BOGs in home prelim/GFs.

Hopefully your basic maths ability can work out the rest.

 

[Fadge]

Actually I did cover it. Daicos had 7 coaches votes finals (pre-GF adjustment) in 2023. Less than half of McCluggage this season. 4th on the Ayres leaderboard (pre-GF adjustment) for McCluggage in 2025, 15th for Daicos in 2023.

A clear BOG in an away prelim for Hugh. Daicos with some equal 3rd and 4th BOGs in home prelim/GFs.

Hopefully your basic maths ability can work out the rest.

And you've still fallen short of explaining it.

How did your 2023 winner fare in finals? What was the gap pre finals?

What about my second question - reference to 'average coaches votes' in one season and not another?

 

[Mr Meow]

And you've still fallen short of explaining it.

How did your 2023 winner fare in finals?

What about my second question - reference to 'average coaches votes' in one season and not another?

I've explained it and your inability to accept it is something you'll need to journal about.

Bontempelli finished 2nd in coaches votes average in 2023. Daicos is down in 7th for 2025. I think you should be top 5 to qualify for this award if you're a midfielder.

Daicos did finish equal 19th in the Finals MVP this season. Can we use that?

 

[Fadge]

Daicos did finish equal 19th in the Finals MVP this season. Can we use that?

Again, selectively ignoring my question about Bont's finals in 2023.

Where did he finish in the Finals MVP in that year?

Oops, I forgot. That was the year when finals weren't considered as important...

 

[Mr Meow]

Again, selectively ignoring my question about Bont's finals in 2023.

Where did he finish in the Finals MVP in that year?

Oops, I forgot. That was the year when finals weren't considered as important...

Refer to my previous post. A top 4 finish and more than twice as many Ayres medal votes for McCluggage in 2025 is worth much more than Daicos' 2023 finals series. 16 coaches votes (pre GF adjustment) in back to back to back knockout finals for Hugh. 7 for Nick in 2025.