Club Mgmt. The Rebuild - where did it all go wrong?

[Yoda_]

And just like a moth to a flame you've been sucked into their crap. Big Media stays winning

weird take

I was disagreeing with what the media are suggesting

 

[Old Campaigner]

weird take

I was disagreeing with what the media are suggesting

Yep, and the fact you're even tuning in means they've won

 

[ant555]

Bump


Seen a few people questioning the drafting of Perkins, Cox, Jones in a recent article on FoxSports




Just dont know how much these 'experts' appreciate the different drafting under the new regime has been going on. Obviously we can't change 40-odd players in one off season, but the fact we have turned over a pretty significant chunk shows we dont rate what we have.


I think the injuries forcing a rebuild is good and something the club hasn't experienced in some time

With another handful of top 40 (potential) picks in this draft, we could see positive results sooner than later.

So Kingy, Jon Ralph, Leigh Montagna, Jason Dunstall questioning us being crap right now, we'll be a force in time

Of course they are questioning it. These are the same people who have continued to say we have an okay list but we underachieve.
Let’s face it they are only 9 months behind the point of time when Rosa and Vozzo called in Scott and went with a new plan.

 

[JayJ20]

Honestly the 2020 draft in general was not great. If Reid stays on the park, he can easily be top 5 of that draft

 

[Yoda_]

Yep, and the fact you're even tuning in means they've won

not really 'tuning in'

 

[Milanista28]

time when Rosa and Vozzo called in Scott and went with a new plan

Is this you reading between the lines? I agree it looks like a decision was made last year to start a new path, just curious if you know of an actual meeting taking place and if Rosa and/or Vozzo initiated it?

 

[faible]

Is this you reading between the lines? I agree it looks like a decision was made last year to start a new path, just curious if you know of an actual meeting taking place and if Rosa and/or Vozzo initiated it?

I have a recollection of an article floating around about it, I think a similar time to when the Scott extension came out. They were talking about Rosa presenting a multi-year list management strategy and Vozzo and Scott all getting on-board, and the extra year was to align Scott's contract with Rosa's plan.

 

[faible]

I have a recollection of an article floating around about it, I think a similar time to when the Scott extension came out. They were talking about Rosa presenting a multi-year list management strategy and Vozzo and Scott all getting on-board, and the extra year was to align Scott's contract with Rosa's plan.

Found it:

Think this is a pretty good summary,

Rosa's strategy and list build plan is 3 years, if your coaches contract is up part way through that vision, and you all understand where the clubs at so results are somewhat secondary to the building of good practices, it makes sense to align the coach with the vision piece.

 

[Milanista28]

I have a recollection of an article floating around about it, I think a similar time to when the Scott extension came out. They were talking about Rosa presenting a multi-year list management strategy and Vozzo and Scott all getting on-board, and the extra year was to align Scott's contract with Rosa's plan.

Love it, don't care about Scott as much as I care that Rosa has a plan, glad he's got a vision, I hope we back him 100%, let the man cook.

 

[King Patty]

Lets hope Rosa can have a cracker draft this year, but he also needs to make some tough calls on moving players on as well.

 

[ant555]

Is this you reading between the lines? I agree it looks like a decision was made last year to start a new path, just curious if you know of an actual meeting taking place and if Rosa and/or Vozzo initiated it?

I can not confirm it 100% but the way I have heard it from a couple of sources is that after we choked again last year Rosa went to Vozzo and pretty much said that the current group was not going to take the next step which Vozzo agreed with. They then had a meeting with Scott and McPherson and it was put on the table and the agreement was yes we need to go back to the draft and try and bring some new blood in. It is why they extended Scott for an extra year to align with the build plan. Anyway that is what i have heard but obviously there could be some variance in the actual facts of the matter but it is clear they took a new direction after we stunk it up again last year.

 

[Call Me Cake]

Title is falsehood. We didn't rebuild before, and 2020+ was not a rebuild, rebuilds aren't adjudicated on within 24 months and the 3 picks were a matter of circumstance forced on us (player exits) and not a deliberate plan to go into a rebuild.

2023+ is the first time we've gone into a deliberate plan to rebuild the list.

 

[BomberManU]

It's a weird place to be - we know it's a rebuild and weekly results don't really matter...but we still want to win, of course, and get 'emotional'/disappointed when we lose.
A few wins in the run home would be good for the confidence though, especially for the recent debutants.
Having the rebuild in the hands of historically non-Essendon people is such a relief.

 

[Call Me Cake]

It's a weird place to be - we know it's a rebuild and weekly results don't really matter...but we still want to win, of course, and get 'emotional'/disappointed when we lose.
A few wins in the run home would be good for the confidence though, especially for the recent debutants.
Having the rebuild in the hands of historically non-Essendon people is such a relief.

I think it's less about losing but more about how. I went into the Fremantle game expecting a loss. A closer loss means more of your less experienced players have opportunities to show glimpses of what could be, which makes an expected loss more salvageable in the bigger picture sense.

 

[eth-dog]

Title is falsehood. We didn't rebuild before and 2020+ was not a rebuild, rebuilds aren't adjudicated on within 24 months and it was a matter of circumstance forced on us (player exits) and not a deliberate plan to go into a rebuild.

2023+ is the first time we've gone into a deliberate plan to rebuild the list.

This is a false statement. Just because it wasn't planned doesn't mean it wasn't a rebuild. Yes, it was forced on the club but the club decided then and there to rebuild the list.

Richmond traded in Taranto and Hopper in 2022. Then were forced into a rebuild a year later despite obviously planning on staying on top. Does this mean that doesn't count?

We went into a draft focus and shedding senior players in 2020. We only went after players from other clubs that were either free agents (and therefore wouldn't cost draft capital), cheap depth at their clubs that wouldn't cost much draft capital (see Wright and Hind) or young enough to be around long term (see Caldwell and Duursma). That screams rebuild to me.

 

[Shanghaistu]

It's a weird place to be - we know it's a rebuild and weekly results don't really matter...but we still want to win, of course, and get 'emotional'/disappointed when we lose.
A few wins in the run home would be good for the confidence though, especially for the recent debutants.
Having the rebuild in the hands of historically non-Essendon people is such a relief.

Thank goodness we don’t have to play the teams that always ragdoll us like Geelong and the Dogs again in the run home ….. oh wait…

 

[King Patty]

it's also how we win, would rather not fall over the line against north playing the veterans chipping sideways.

But the kids playing daring footy like against Brisbane and winning would be good.

The lower draft pick the better, so hopefully not too many more wins. But competitive losses.

 

[Call Me Cake]

This is a false statement.

Nope. It is correct. The only thing false is the thread's title.

Just because it wasn't planned doesn't mean it wasn't a rebuild. Yes, it was forced on the club but the club decided then and there to rebuild the list.

Richmond traded in Taranto and Hopper in 2022. Then were forced into a rebuild a year later despite obviously planning on staying on top. Does this mean that doesn't count?

I didn't say a rebuild was forced on us, I said the circumstance in which entailed us to three draft picks in 2020 was forced upon us. Those three picks landed in our lap due to one off-season's departures and mind you, were on the table for a players like Dunkley. We had our picks, yes, but it wasn't off the back of trading players away to begin a rebuild nor start one.

You also forgot the part where I said that rebuilds aren't adjudicated as a failure within 24 months, seeing as we sacked Rutten for obvious reasons at the end of 2022. Even if 2020 was a rebuild, which it wasn't, rebuilds don't last 2 years.

From 2023 onwards we've gone onto a deliberate rebuild and we've stuck to it.

 

[eth-dog]

Nope. It is correct. The only thing false is the thread's title.



I didn't say a rebuild was forced on us, I said the circumstance in which entailed us to three draft picks in 2020 was forced upon us. Those three picks landed in our lap due to one off-season's departures and mind you, were on the table for a players like Dunkley. We had our picks, yes, but it wasn't off the back of trading players away to begin a rebuild nor start one.

You also forgot the part where I said that rebuilds aren't adjudicated as a failure within 24 months, seeing as we sacked Rutten for obvious reasons at the end of 2022. Even if 2020 was a rebuild, which it wasn't, rebuilds don't last 2 years.

From 2023 onwards we've gone onto a deliberate rebuild and we've stuck to it.

Yes, it is. No, it isn't.

No, you didn't. I was correcting/disagreeing with you. The rebuild was forced upon us due to those players leaving. I can understand how you fail to see the difference, you're used to thinking that you're right no matter what and that people can't possibly disagree with you. The fact is, we entered the rebuild at the end of 2020.

No, I ignored it. There's a difference. Because I disagree. But your ego doesn't handle that people can disagree with you so you just pass it off as "forgetting" because that way you can keep it in tact.

We entered a rebuild at the end of 2020. We are continuing it today. We changed the approach slightly at the end of 23 but it is still the same rebuild.

 

[ant555]

Yes, it is. No, it isn't.

No, you didn't. I was correcting/disagreeing with you. The rebuild was forced upon us due to those players leaving. I can understand how you fail to see the difference, you're used to thinking that you're right no matter what and that people can't possibly disagree with you. The fact is, we entered the rebuild at the end of 2020.

No, I ignored it. There's a difference. Because I disagree. But your ego doesn't handle that people can disagree with you so you just pass it off as "forgetting" because that way you can keep it in tact.

We entered a rebuild at the end of 2020. We are continuing it today. We changed the approach slightly at the end of 23 but it is still the same rebuild.

I like it when cake disagrees with me

 

[Phone]

guys i covered this earlier, we started a rebuild in 2008 but then we sacked Matthew Knights

Matthew Knights

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54

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79kg

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21.3

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12.0

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3.0

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2.2

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18.4

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10.8

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4.4

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1.6

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for James Hird and then 34 players got suspended for doping, thereby ruining everything

 

[Milanista28]

guys i covered this earlier, we started a rebuild in 2008 but then we sacked Matthew Knights for James Hird and then 34 players got suspended for doping, thereby ruining everything

If only Jay Neagle didn't play on, it's all his fault.

 

[boncer34]

If only Jay Neagle didn't play on, it's all his fault.

Jay doesn't play on, Tayte kicks the goal and Lovett doesn't leave, we beat Geelong round 1, roll Freo round 2 due to the confidence it gives us, belt Carlton, momentum carries us against West Coast and all of a sudden Knights is a genius.

 

[fairbump_playon]

guys i covered this earlier, we started a rebuild in 2008 but then we sacked Matthew Knights for James Hird and then 34 players got suspended for doping, thereby ruining everything

WHAT

How did I miss this

 

[Old Campaigner]

I like it when cake disagrees with me

It's usually a pretty good sign you're on the right track