The 'Recruit'

[Raz0r6ack]

But that challenge would have been all upper arms and shoulders. What does it matter that you weigh more, if it's all in your legs and torso?

My guess is that Semmel would have gone close to having the biggest arms/shoulders in that group and that is why I expected him to win that challenge. It just seems like something that the prototypical 'tanks' would be better at, which may have been illustrated by the fact that Voss looked like he wasn't even in the slightest bit of discomfort, when Wagner finally dropped out (not sure if Voss started at the same time as the others though).

Being a 'tank' doesn't mean you have great resistance though because being bulk comes from lifting heavier weights at lower rep range (6-12) with rest breaks in between sets. Just because someone can bench 100kg on 10 repetitions doesn't necessarily mean they can do 50 reps on 80kg because it's all muscle memory. If there is no muscle memory for doing resistance training then generally the much bigger overall body will supersede over the smaller one, considering that they were all holding up the same amount of weight and the bricks weren't adjusted to suit the player's weight ratio.

 

[dogs105]

Does anyone know who's the club that was interested in taking the winner

Interested is probably a bit too strong.

I have heard that GWS is the club (having their arm twisted) to take the winner.

 

[ItsAllAboutMe]

Interested is probably a bit too strong.

I have heard that GWS is the club (having their arm twisted) to take the winner.

The AFL will be paying the salary and it's not in the cap so I reckon clubs won't need arms twisted.

 

[Young Gun #6]

Surely Joey is a lock..

 

[MC Extra Dollop]

Mark Bolton played 100 games, Ed Curnow plays as a pure tagger, doesn't have a heap of ability but has a good tank and runs all day restricting his opponent, this is the role I imagine Moreland would play if he got picked up.

Mark Bolton was one of the most highly rated U18s in the country and was 6'6 with the best endurance at his AFL club. He went #4 in the draft. To compare these guys to him is a stretch, to put it mildly.

 

[MC Extra Dollop]

Surely Joey is a lock..

It depends. I'd say a lower-placed club would want Wagner, while a club like Sydney would probably be more interested in Foster.

 

[Young Gun #6]

It depends. I'd say a lower-placed club would want Wagner, while a club like Sydney would probably be more interested in Foster.

I'd be happy for us to take Wagner. Seemed to be the only player burgess liked as well.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

Hard to get a read on them with the snippets of play we see but Wagner looks like he has something, albeit with concerns over recovery with his back injury. Would this be a good marketing opportunity for a club, or would more qualified player resent the attention the winner might get?

 

[Mr Magic]

Hard to get a read on them with the snippets of play we see but Wagner looks like he has something, albeit with concerns over recovery with his back injury. Would this be a good marketing opportunity for a club, or would more qualified player resent the attention the winner might get?

Agree, what surprised me is at the end in the promotional stuff for next week presumably they said Joey was 190cm half forward type. That pricked my ears up! With his body shape it didn't look he was that tall in the show.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

Agree, what surprised me is at the end in the promotional stuff for next week presumably they said Joey was 190cm half forward type. That pricked my ears up! With his body shape it didn't look he was that tall in the show.

I actually thought he looked about 192cm early on. Definitely looked a full forward type. I guess there's no way at AFL level. Still, the elite speed, good goal sense and ability to spot up a target, definitely has been interested. Where's the risk? Cat B rookie. Would struggle to get elevated at the Northern Blues though.

 

[Billyc]

I think they picked the right top 3.

Wagner is the best in the competition. I am surprised to learn he is 190cm also. Combined with his pace and clear determination he could make the grade, though his pace will stand out less at AFL level. Back injury a bit of a worry too.

Foster is the pick of the 'project players.' Has all the athletic tools if a club wanted to take a punt but at 25 I think he has too much to learn. Long odds to ever play AFL for mine.

Moreland I think could play as a run with player. Struggle to see him being anything more than a plodder but if his attitude is right he could get games.

 

[Mr Magic]

I actually thought he looked about 192cm early on. Definitely looked a full forward type. I guess there's no way at AFL level. Still, the elite speed, good goal sense and ability to spot up a target, definitely has been interested. Where's the risk? Cat B rookie. Would struggle to get elevated at the Northern Blues though.

Looking at the show I assumed he was around 184cm at most maybe. But 190cm surprised me. I think Brady might get a shot at some level to even if a rookie. His body shape for 205cm interests me cause it looks like he has the base to develop physically in terms of capability plus there is the footy gene factor from his father.

Moreland dunno but apparently he has skill and Reece, just don't know either but he kicked a goal in the show so he is not incompetent. Hard to tell where Reece has come from, didn't play before, and how far he has progressed. Only industry people will know.

Padraig, I don't mind in terms of how he presented. One of his kicks was a bit dodgy in the match vision but don't know where he has come from either. Apparently he is young and industry people will know how to iron out kicking issues with Irish projects. Some say he is young and Voss said he his initial problem was attitude not skill so who knows he might get a rookie spot.


Interesting show to watch anyway and I think it will get a re-run, possibly bigger format next year! I thought it was fairly professionally run.

I can see a lot of guys, particularly from the country taking an interest because some otherwise will be thinking trying to make it from afar outside normal footy hotspots is too hard and fluky(unrealistic) but in this type of shortened format where application is assessed many lost diamond will have a crack! The difference in this format is potential wild candidates know they will be exposed, support is there if good enough at a independent professional level and they have enough time to make it happen in terms of application if good enough.


Smart move by the AFL and a far more productive show program than some of these music talent search shows anyway!

For example, I can see why guys like Joey off the radar are missed because its been happening for years!

Seriously, I can see some fathers in outback saying to sons don't waste your time to much in the young bush grades, put 5-6 months in prior to recruit applications and then let loose, meanwhile concentrate on study!

If they are 18-19 from the real bush they can have a crack at the recruit, even if the fail, they know in their own minds how far they are off the actual real deal, have a better idea of what is required and if they still think they can make it, push on, maybe move to certain footy support cities to develop in local leagues or otherwise pursue another path in life.

 

[ItsAllAboutMe]

Yeah has been a ratings success so they will definitely go again, and I suspect they have already earmarked a few candidates. they may need to relax the rules in terms of non state league players otherwise it could just turn into only project players.

 

[Willo_]

There is an article on Moreland in today's Geelong Addy, he said the top 3 all met with every club but it was like speed dating and just a 10 minute chat. He said after that 3 clubs have been in contact with him. He also said he has been training with Vossy the last 9 weeks and has gotten his beep test up to 15.8.

http://m.geelongadvertiser.com.au/s...r-chris-moreland/story-fnjuhsge-1227054204118


As for the winner while Yoey looks the clear choice at the end of the day it depends on what the club wants and how much they believe each player can improve/make an impact. If they don't think Yoey has much improvement in him they may prefer Bradie who is a free hit really and has huge potential upside.

Remember the way it works is all clubs do a 3 - 2 - 1 and the winner is from that, then the player gets to pick from the club that wants him. I would have thought given Eddies connection that at worst the Pies would say they want the winner

 

[Scotland]

Yeah it was. Fairly sure that was the weekend the SANFL played the VFL so neither team's reserves would have played that weekend, hence the scratch match.

Crows won by about 12 goals from memory.

Oh OK that makes more sense.

 

[Scotland]

Yeah has been a ratings success so they will definitely go again, and I suspect they have already earmarked a few candidates. they may need to relax the rules in terms of non state league players otherwise it could just turn into only project players.

I don't think there is much benefit to project players over the age of 25/26. Bradie looks alright (he's about that age IIRC) but most AFL players careers are over by 30/31, so if you're coming in at 25/26 not knowing what you're doing you are realistically looking at 2-3 good years of footy tops. Mike Pyke started at 25 with the Swans and was hopeless, wasn't until 2012 he really looked like he would make it and he was 28 then. Someone like Padraig I think has a lot of appeal because he is only 21. Give him the couple of years it will take to get used to the game and you might get 5-6 years of good footy out of him.

I don't think The Recruit full of current SANFL/VFL/WAFL players would be particularly interesting. The AFL clubs watch these comps each week and know what your Myles Sewells, your Kane Mitchells etc. can do. I don't think you should be black listed just for having been on a state league list though.

 

[ItsAllAboutMe]

I don't think there is much benefit to project players over the age of 25/26. Bradie looks alright (he's about that age IIRC) but most AFL players careers are over by 30/31, so if you're coming in at 25/26 not knowing what you're doing you are realistically looking at 2-3 good years of footy tops. Mike Pyke started at 25 with the Swans and was hopeless, wasn't until 2012 he really looked like he would make it and he was 28 then. Someone like Padraig I think has a lot of appeal because he is only 21. Give him the couple of years it will take to get used to the game and you might get 5-6 years of good footy out of him.

I don't think The Recruit full of current SANFL/VFL/WAFL players would be particularly interesting. The AFL clubs watch these comps each week and know what your Myles Sewells, your Kane Mitchells etc. can do. I don't think you should be black listed just for having been on a state league list though.

Yes its hard to think what the right formula for the show is, I think the age bracket is too high and should be 24ish max, most players take 2 or 3 preseasons before they have a tank capable of playing at AFL level and players like Luke Balll are finished by the age of 30.

 

[Starburns_]

Surprised that Bradie got the nod over Padraig, they really played it up as though Pardraig was a genuinely good prospect.

Though in the end, it's not surprising to see Wagner and Bradie in the final 3. Clubs aren't looking to unearth a superstar, whereas Bradie is an athletic tall (which don't grow on trees), and Wagner is already that high half-forward type with good speed and skills. They're both effectively role players, making them far more capable of working their way into an AFL team than the midfield types of which clubs have plenty already.

The AFL will be paying the salary and it's not in the cap so I reckon clubs won't need arms twisted.

^^This. It's not paid for the by the clubs, and it's not even a true rookie spot, I imagine most clubs would have a look at it.

It also makes Fitzy's suggestion about more than one getting drafted very likely, clubs can have up to 3 category B rookies, though most would probably only have 1. If a club has money (I doubt the AFL pays the salary of anyone but the winner), it's worth a punt as it doesn't really hit them from a salary cap or list perspective.

Yeah has been a ratings success so they will definitely go again, and I suspect they have already earmarked a few candidates. they may need to relax the rules in terms of non state league players otherwise it could just turn into only project players.

It'll be interesting to see what they do next time. I imagine seeing how far short Semmell and Jackel fell would put off players in that age bracket. I wouldn't be surprised to see a few more project players, don't think you can relax the rule on state players though, kind of defeats the purpose.

 

[Big Bryza]

Wouldn't want to be relying on those cadets in a warzone if they can't beat a ragtag bunch of country footballers.

What's the bet that they were told to let them win the first challenge just to make it interesting.

 

[Big Bryza]

Bradie must of beaten Pradraig in the match for him to get selected. They were never going to take 2 ruckman

Saw one highlight if that's what you'd call it of Padraig kicking the ball. It was ****ing awful.

 

[Big Bryza]

But that challenge would have been all upper arms and shoulders. What does it matter that you weigh more, if it's all in your legs and torso?

My guess is that Semmel would have gone close to having the biggest arms/shoulders in that group and that is why I expected him to win that challenge. It just seems like something that the prototypical 'tanks' would be better at, which may have been illustrated by the fact that Voss looked like he wasn't even in the slightest bit of discomfort, when Wagner finally dropped out (not sure if Voss started at the same time as the others though).

It was a muscular endurance test. No doubt Semmel could probably bench as much and if not more than any of the others but standing there holding a brick above your head is a different kettle of fish.

 

[Bailey01]

I'd be happy for us to take Wagner. Seemed to be the only player burgess liked as well.

Burgess loved Bradie

 

[akneal]

I'd be really keen to know where they rated Gossy without injury. My guess is he'd be second to Wagner

 

[Bailey01]

Thank god Padraig is gone

 

[Some Idiot]

I'm no expert, but I would have thought it was a similar concept to bench press, where the shorter, stockier people have an advantage over the guys with long arms, who have to push (in this case hold) the weight further away from their chest. I'm guessing the bench press champ at most AFL clubs is seldom a ruckman.

It's usually Key Position players, but ruckmen are certainly up there.