The Replacement....

[Tetris]

K-Rudd?

Kevin 11.

Best idea i've heard all day!!!

 

[BuntonRules]

Yeah, agreed. Like I said, the difference between a season ticket and a voting rights membership is 40 dollars. Chuck that as an optional extra on the armchair membership and Bob's your uncle.

Would quite happily pay the extra. Throw in the thing I miss - a members badge cost $2 - and you got me.

Personally, I think that the guideline for giving someone voting rights should be based on whether or not the club includes them in the official membership total. Simply put, the club can call you a supporter or a donor but they can't claim (and count) you as a member unless they give you a vote.

I want to be classed as a member. The fact I cannot attend games is not the main point. As stated, I would be willing to pay the money so my membership is counted.

My main issue really was that fact that I wasn't being heard (even though I am a member), I would prefer to have voting rights, but that wasn't my main issue. When the whole 'jumper-gate' thing happened, I voiced my opposition and was pretty much told that my opinion didn't matter, and wasn't worth a sack of crap.

I have to tell you, at that time I was ready to walk away from the club, and not return until Bowers was gone I was that livid with not only my treatment, but the treatment of fellow Lion members and fans. But my love for the club is stronger then my dislike for Bowers.

When Tony Kelly called Fitzroy 'irrelavent', that basically summed up for me what Kelly and Bowers thought of the Fitzroy contingent. To me, that was wrong. I love the fact that we are a unique club, I love the Fitzroy connection, I love the Bears connection... our club is blessed to be in a position of having all these components that make us, us!

I thought under Bowers and Kelly, we lost that veiw. Which saddened me, as Ireland did so much to cherish it.

dannitori, that is what I felt but could not put into words. You have summed the whole saga up perfectly. Lets hope that Angus Johnson (& the new CEO)realises the damage done & acts accordingly. If the right attitudes are shown we can come out of this debacle stronger & more united than any time since the threepeat.

I doubt I would have excercised voting rights before last year. Did not know enough about the people or club's operation to have a meaningful say. But when jumpergate, the treatment of members/supporters & the whole logo/Fitzroy thing hit the fan I despaired that I could not have a say on people that, IMO, were taking my club in the wrong direction.

Back on topic. I feel that between AJ, Reid & Wright I will have confidence in who ever they endorse. But my heart says Mickey Conlon. What a rallying point for our club, coming out ofthtese dark days.

 

[dannitori]

I think the most important thing for this chief executive to be able to deliver on is financial stability. As such, whilst a football background would be advantageous, I don't believe it is mandatory. I want someone to deliver in terms of financial performance, so us supporters can go back to just thinking about the on-field stuff, rather than worrying about whether we'll have the money to pay promoted rookies.

I like the idea of any of Cook, Conlan or Pert. But I think we need to be open to people from outside traditional football circles.

I think we do need someone who has a grasp of AFL club culture. Bowers wasn't from a football background, and I think that is why he was ignorant to the fans objections to the jumper change and so forth... I follow both the NRL and AFL, in the NRL, a jumper change really isn't a big deal as it pretty much happens every year, but in AFL, its a different scenario.

I don't think being from a football background is the be all and end all, as first and for most we need someone who has a more business/admin brain... but I certainly think it's a massive advantage. Especially since a lot of trust has been broken between the members/fans and the former admin... we need someone who can help repair that.

 

[Sin City]

Is Alastair Lynch an option?

 

[Hollow Knight]

Is Alastair Lynch an option?

Thought crossed my mind, but Velocity Sports is going gangbusters and he seems to enjoy his commentary/media work on the side.

Both of these things would have to go by the wayside if he took the CEO role, and I can't see it happenning.

 

[Sin City]

Thought crossed my mind, but Velocity Sports is going gangbusters and he seems to enjoy his commentary/media work on the side.

Both of these things would have to go by the wayside if he took the CEO role, and I can't see it happenning.

Fair enough, maybe one for the future once his career has advanced a bit more.

 

[Gibbo_88]

I like the idea of any of Cook, Conlan or Pert. But I think we need to be open to people from outside traditional football circles.

I think we should be more focused on getting someone that has football experience. Don't want to see another Bowers situation and all the good work of this review turn into nothing in 5 years.

 

[Hollow Knight]

Collingwood CEO: Gary Pert (football background)
Geelong CEO: Brian Cook (football background)
Richmond CEO: Brendan Gale (football background)
West Coast CEO: Trevor Nisbett (football background)
Essendon CEO: Ian Robson (football background)
Carlton CEO: Greg Swann (football background)

Seems a pretty decent pattern there for the big clubs. Don't want to risk another outside-football CEO who just doesn't get the difference between a business and a footy club.

 

[nigelicious]

We need a shrewd mind.. football experience... remarkable business acumen. Hmmm.... Jamie Charman?

(Now THAT is facetious, BR )

 

[BuntonRules]

We need a shrewd mind.. football experience... remarkable business acumen. Hmmm.... Jamie Charman?

(Now THAT is facetious, BR )

Nelson says "Ha Ha"

 

[roostersgal4eva]

sure I did go overboard a bit but it was such a nice feeling to have been see the same value as animals but there you go...

I have to pay extra well so be it but im not going to have idiots tell me that in not a real supporter because I cant have a full membership as you put it!

Is Alastair Lynch an option?

TBD made good points with his media/business/managing going so well.
Also with it being such a stressfull job I would be worried his Chronic Fatiuge might play up again so I dont think he will risk it

 

[Hollow Knight]

sure I did go overboard a bit but it was such a nice feeling to have been see the same value as animals but there you go...

I have to pay extra well so be it but im not going to have idiots tell me that in not a real supporter because I cant have a full membership as you put it!

No one said anything even close to those two statements in bold.

Not nice to call people idiots either, especially if you have taken what they've said out of context and given no regard to their attempts to clarify their thoughts further for your benefit and/or to avoid confusion.

As a side note, people ARE animals.

 

[roostersgal4eva]

out of context my arse....i know what I read

and what was that 'now you want to to give pets voting rights as well' comment from another poster.....that is hardly a compliment is it?

the idea was put that interstate members were given some rights but some were against that becaue of what we pay - if that's not thinking we are less valuable the full paying members I dont know what is!

You dont have to use those exact words verbatem to put that message across - you and other posters were able to in different way and then insulting my intellengence by telling me that is not what you meant.

if you going to insult people at least have the balls to say it straight rather than take the senic route

 

[nigelicious]

out of context my arse....i know what I read

and what was that 'now you want to to give pets voting rights as well' comment from another poster.....that is hardly a compliment is it?

I made that comment. Yes you have taken it completely out of context. Get down off your high horse.

My comment was in specific reference to the suggestion that a $60 membership should be worth full member voting rights. I was saying that next the cheaper pet memberships should be included. Where do you draw the line? People who buy player badges?

Comparing you to an animal? Are you joking? You've taken a and b and made them equal c, just so you could have a rant. Don't try and rope me into the chip on your shoulder.

No I don't think members with an armchair membership should have voting rights. That's the view I hold and I don't think I am alone in thinking it. I pay quite a lot for that right and I think if you want it, you should give significant financial support to the club.

 

[Hollow Knight]

out of context my arse....i know what I read

and what was that 'now you want to to give pets voting rights as well' comment from another poster.....that is hardly a compliment is it?

the idea was put that interstate members were given some rights but some were against that becaue of what we pay - if that's not thinking we are less valuable the full paying members I dont know what is!

You dont have to use those exact words verbatem to put that message across - you and other posters were able to in different way and then insulting my intellengence by telling me that is not what you meant.

I've repeatedly tried to restate my position over and over again for your benefit and you jsut won't have a bar of it. Fortunately other people understood the point I was trying to make.

I'm not going to try and explain any further. What's the point? You are determined to take everything as a personal slight regardless of its intent.

Not feeding your ridiculous and irrational martyr complex any more, nor am I going to be called an idiot (again).

Waste of everyone's time.

if you going to insult people at least have the balls to say it straight rather than take the senic route

Where is the scenic route exactly? anywhere near the Veteran's board?

No more from me in this silly, silly, silly sideshow. Continue howling at the moon if you like.

 

[thedaz47]

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[acuguy]

A member is a member, interstate or full season member, the fact is you have paid extra money on top of your season ticket/or you absence of one gives you voting rights in my opinion.


Clubs like Collingwood and Essendon are so popular because they are leaders in the market when it comes to embracing fans all over Australia, they sell their club as a national brand.

Footy clubs are footy clubs, financially the must be run like businesses but the heart and soul that are the supporters must be at the forefront of every footy business decision. Disenfranchising non South East QLD based supporters is poor business. Unfortunately if we look at our bottom line for many years one can only assume our current strategies have been a failure.

Therefore the justifications for the voting membership should definitely be reviewed.

 

[acuguy]

BTW Nigelicious i thought your comment regarding handing voting rights for pet memberships was a great way to devalue the financial and emotional investment armchair members have in our club.

Problem with bigfooty- too many bigtime posters with no real footy club or football experience. My concern would be the armchair only viewers of footy having any say in our club! Guess money can buy anything!

A few posters here should volunteer some of their time and join a local footy club, learn how to strap, run the water, get on a committee, do some coaching etc etc but get some real inside knowledge on footy and how clubs work at the grassroots. Then they might have more appreciation of the position of other posters!

 

[nigelicious]

Footy clubs are footy clubs, financially the must be run like businesses but the heart and soul that are the supporters must be at the forefront of every footy business decision. Disenfranchising non South East QLD based supporters is poor business. Unfortunately if we look at our bottom line for many years one can only assume our current strategies have been a failure.

I agree, they must be run like businesses. You are right, every decision must be made while considering what the club means to MEMBERS and FANS. But there is a difference between those two. How does the footy club keep the electricity on? By taking the passion of supporters and putting a price ticket on that.

It is my personal opinion that they should hold full membership at a higher premium than the current value of an armchair membership.

So, if interstate members are passionate enough to want full membership (they are) but feel that the $445 that I pay is too high when they are unable to attend games, there should be a "Full Interstate Member" option. A way for them to give greater financial support to the club. A few on here have expressed they would be happy to pay this to have that right.. people that aren't from Brisbane. Are you saying that them having that opinion is fine but because I am from Brisbane, I am setting out to "devalue interstate members" by sharing the same opinion?

Do I imply that they should exclude interstate members at all? No. I am saying they should have a better option for members who want the voting rights and ability to give greater financial support to the club (as I do).

BTW Nigelicious i thought your comment regarding handing voting rights for pet memberships was a great way to devalue the financial and emotional investment armchair members have in our club.

Ridiculous. Implying I had any intent to devalue interstate members is just insulting. I have no reason for, or gain no benefit from, doing so.

Pet Membership : $42
Supporter Membership : $62
Premium Membership : $445

It is clear the connection I was making. The cost of the pet membership is not far off that of a supporter membership, so where do you draw the line? If you are passionate enough about your club to want voting rights, you should be paying a premium for that passion.

Problem with bigfooty- too many bigtime posters with no real footy club or football experience. My concern would be the armchair only viewers of footy having any say in our club! Guess money can buy anything!

A few posters here should volunteer some of their time and join a local footy club, learn how to strap, run the water, get on a committee, do some coaching etc etc but get some real inside knowledge on footy and how clubs work at the grassroots. Then they might have more appreciation of the position of other posters!

This kind of ad hominem attack on the credibility of my opinion really adds no value to the discussion, acuguy. I'm no "bigtime poster", whatever the hell that is trying to imply. I have a particular opinion on financially supporting the club and that is mine to hold and express freely. One thing that is universal about footy clubs is that they need passionate supporters to survive.. but unless that passion is harnessed for financial benefit, they will not thrive.

 

[POBT]

I think there has been a fair attempt by posters to explain what they mean. If any offence was caused by original posts, then the following explanation should surely have clarified things.

Fighting for the sake of fighting is tedious for the rest of us. Attacking a poster to try and make your point is not on.

Pull your heads in, one and all. If you can't have a debate on this issue in a calm and rational way, then walk away from the argument.

 

[POBT]

Problem with bigfooty- too many bigtime posters with no real footy club or football experience. My concern would be the armchair only viewers of footy having any say in our club! Guess money can buy anything!

A few posters here should volunteer some of their time and join a local footy club, learn how to strap, run the water, get on a committee, do some coaching etc etc but get some real inside knowledge on footy and how clubs work at the grassroots. Then they might have more appreciation of the position of other posters!

This is uncalled for. I am sick and tired of this artificial line between football people and non-football people. It is an invalid argument and, what is more, is totally irrelevant to this debate.

We have people from all walks of life, with different experiences both in footy and not. If this is the "problem" with BigFooty, then I think it is a pretty good problem to have. If posters cannot accept that we have a diverse group, then it is my view that there is no place for them on this board.

 

[BuntonRules]

Ridiculous. Implying I had any intent to devalue interstate members is just insulting. I have no reason for, or gain no benefit from, doing so.

Pet Membership : $42
Supporter Membership : $62
Premium Membership : $445

It is clear the connection I was making. The cost of the pet membership is not far off that of a supporter membership, so where do you draw the line? If you are passionate enough about your club to want voting rights, you should be paying a premium for that passion.

Maybe because supporter members can talk & think & form an opinion and other things that human beings can do?

I still want Mickey Conlon. I think my goldfish do too,after I showed them his resume.

 

[Hollow Knight]

I think a lot of confusion probably comes from the club calling the Armchair package an "Armchair Membership" when they don't actually consider it a membership in the traditional sense i.e. in terms of voting rights and in terms of including it in their official membership tallys.

Perhaps if they called it Armchair Supporter's Club or something, it would avoid the confusion. I remember when I signed up for the Armchair thing when I lived O/S that the promotional documentation made it pretty clear that there were no voting rights included.

I did think though that the hat, season guide, season review and magazine subscription was pretty good value for 60 bucks. It's basically a subscription to get some swag every year. Considering the stuff you get, I can't imagine the club making a huge profit on them, but it's a revenue stream, and gives the marketing team a demographic to work with to pitch ticketed memberships to.

Like a few of us have suggested in the thread, an optional purchaseable voting right on top of that is a fair approach. That is basically what us ticketed members do as well in choosing full membership instead of season ticket holder and paying the extra 40 or so bucks that goes with it.

Maybe because supporter members can talk & think & form an opinion and other things that human beings can do?

Well that disqualifies you for Collingwood voting rights.

 

[Bobby Beecroft]

Anyway back to the replacement............

 

[Hollow Knight]

Anyway back to the replacement............

Going to take some time I suspect. Club is reportedly interviewing for the GM of Football role next week.

They normally advertise most admin appointments on Seek, but there is nothing up there for the CEO role yet. Maybe for a role of this calibre they will use a headhunting consultant.

Almost certain that the new permanent CEO wont be in place for the AGM which is a bit of a shame.