Analysis The Sack List: who stays, who goes in an AFC cleanout?

[jackster83]

Time for a few of you to change your votes?

 

[Troy87]

Campo Burton Chapman Pyke Roo & Hart all need to move on and the AFC a fresh start. Its overdue. Fagan needs to grow a pair and start making big calls.

 

[1970crow]

Campo Burton Chapman Pyke Roo & Hart all need to move on and the AFC a fresh start. Its overdue. Fagan needs to grow a pair and start making big calls.

Fagan is as much a problem as every muppet that we have in the board room and footy department. “Right people in the right seats”.

 

[Anzacpaul]

Fagan is as much a problem as every muppet that we have in the board room and footy department. “Right people in the right seats”.

Unfortunately he was talking about the supporters filling AO seats every week......

40k+ plus at the game is a win in the eyes of the AFC, regardless of the scoreboard.

 

[Rotayjay]

Changed my votes (sorry if the job titles are out of date). Fagan, Chapman, Smart and the entire board to go as well.

Oh wait that's right, Chapman is unsackable because he would have to fire himself. F*** me.

 

[Crow till I die]

In reality the board members should be wanting everyone’s heads, how can they be happy that this sort of s**t is going on?
It was obvious our injury management would get worse as soon as Burton & Haas was hired, a simple google search could see that they failed in their past roles at Brisbane.

We are the equivelent of a pub footy team

 

[SaltPeter]

Can anyone think of someone capable of coming into the club and sort this s**t out?
I’m all for having heads roll over this but we also need competent people to replace them.

Mmmm .. Ernst & Young, I'd like to see the club undertake a comprehensive review

 

[Crow_68]

Pyke will go together with anyone else who grew up outside a 50km radius from West Lakes.
Everyone else, business as usual.

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[Eagleboy2011]

Fagan needs more pressure on him. He is the only one that can start the ball rolling for change. If his job is under pressure he will react, if the football department is under pressure he doesn't care, that's someone else's problem.

 

[Vhaluus]

Can I suggest it'd be a better poll to ask who we'd keep?

Because it's a very small list right now.

 

[Morning_Fog]

Fagan needs more pressure on him. He is the only one that can start the ball rolling for change. If his job is under pressure he will react, if the football department is under pressure he doesn't care, that's someone else's problem.

Where does the pressure come from?

Every influential past player is employed by the club. Every influential person who supports the club is an ambassador and the club control the narrative via the media by discrediting anti crows reporters (Cornes and Rucci), and we don’t have a Giniver or Tredrea mouth piece in the media and if we do, they come across like idiots in Jarman or Rowe or only have nice stuff written by pro crows journalists.

They don’t listen to supporters.

Where will the pressure come from?

 

[Mike Smyth]

Number 1 Sack Chapman and have an interstate external company review the remainder.
Number 2 Stop any ex-Player (apart from mattner) from having any decision making power in the football dept. They can hold cones or sign footballs but they make no decisions which impact the onfield team. Therefore goodbye to Burton, Hart, Roo Clarke.
Number 3 Stop recruiting short people and stick figures. Players with toughness, size and aggression.

 

[Crowhorse]

Nothing is going to happen folks, this one will ride out until the end of the season. Even if Pyke gets the sack early, nothing will change around him.

It will take a real dire 2020 (bottom 4) to get things moving and drive real change.

 

[Eagleboy2011]

Where does the pressure come from?

Every influential past player is employed by the club. Every influential person who supports the club is an ambassador and the club control the narrative via the media by discrediting anti crows reporters (Cornes and Rucci), and we don’t have a Giniver or Tredrea mouth piece in the media and if we do, they come across like idiots in Jarman or Rowe or only have nice stuff written by pro crows journalists.

They don’t listen to supporters.

Where will the pressure come from?

bums on seats for a start. People threatening with memberships. More emails into the club.These guys will always look after their own ars- first.

 

[Eagleboy2011]

Can I suggest it'd be a better poll to ask who we'd keep?

Because it's a very small list right now.

Exactly and why we needed an external review of all facets of the club last year or earlier.

 

[Deaneus!]

Mmmm .. Ernst & Young, I'd like to see the club undertake a comprehensive review

NOT E&Y, and NOT Deloitte

 

[GreyCrow]

NOT E&Y, and NOT Deloitte

You just want the gig yourself

 

[DJ75]

On Gameday this morning it was suggested that Roo was canvassing players on their thoughts about what was happening in the club. Thats a very good way to erode confidence and undermine people. The questions is - who is he trying to undermine?

 

[Cap]

Where does the pressure come from?

Every influential past player is employed by the club. Every influential person who supports the club is an ambassador and the club control the narrative via the media by discrediting anti crows reporters (Cornes and Rucci), and we don’t have a Giniver or Tredrea mouth piece in the media and if we do, they come across like idiots in Jarman or Rowe or only have nice stuff written by pro crows journalists.

They don’t listen to supporters.

Where will the pressure come from?

Do you genuinely believe they don't feel the pressure?

Just have a think about it, you are in a job in the biggest sporting club in the state and they are doing shit. You know they are doing shit. Sure they don't listen to bigfooty users, who would. But they do listen to supporters hence the sacking of coaches the moment it gets tough. Easy way to placate the mob.

Also have you ever listened to Giniver and Tredrea? They are basically Rowie and Bicks on the other side.

As for the Rucci/ Cornes stuff, makes me laugh on this board. They are nuffties until sign of crisis at the AFC then all of a sudden bastions of truth.

 

[Crow_68]

Fages up and about after Gold Coast, but hasn’t tweeted again since just before the Essendon game.


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[Eagleboy2011]

I wonder if the guys looking after the SANFL team need reviewing as well. I would love to give some like Gooch, Jones etc a free run so they can show all their talent, instead we play the senior players in favoured positions to give them a run into the first team.

 

[Crow_68]

I wonder if the guys looking after the SANFL team need reviewing as well. I would love to give some like Gooch, Jones etc a free run so they can show all their talent, instead we play the senior players in favoured positions to give them a run into the first team.

This would be a directive from above.


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[Morning_Fog]

Do you genuinely believe they don't feel the pressure?


Just have a think about it, you are in a job in the biggest sporting club in the state and they are doing s**t. You know they are doing s**t. Sure they don't listen to bigfooty users, who would. But they do listen to supporters hence the sacking of coaches the moment it gets tough. Easy way to placate the mob.

The coaches, Pyke and Camporeale would be feeling the pressure but Chapman and Fagan would be going about business as usual. I don’t, I honestly don’t think they feel they are under any type of pressure. They are not accountable to anyone and and winning a flag doesn’t seem to be part of any KPI they much meet.

Sacking Pyke is the easy answer right now. That is the process we always take. That has become engrained into our club culture. Once the club feels external pressure, falls Dow the ladder the coach gets fired. No one outside of the coach is held to account.

They must resist this and stick fat with Pyke and find 3 to 5 replacement assistant coaches. That is where we will tell if they are serious. Make offers to the best available assistant coach. and get them to move to Adelaide. Don’t settle for an SANFL coach. Find someone who will get the team better.

 

[Morning_Fog]

bums on seats for a start. People threatening with memberships. More emails into the club.These guys will always look after their own ars- first.

I would imagine someone like Rob Chapman or Andrew Fagan would feel far more pressure if someone from Toyota or Optus rang the club and said they were pulling the pin on the sponsorship than the loss of 15,000 members.

 

[Cap]

The coaches, Pyke and Camporeale would be feeling the pressure but Chapman and Fagan would be going about business as usual. I don’t, I honestly don’t think they feel they are under any type of pressure. They are not accountable to anyone and and winning a flag doesn’t seem to be part of any KPI they much meet.

Sacking Pyke is the easy answer right now. That is the process we always take. That has become engrained into our club culture. Once the club feels external pressure, falls Dow the ladder the coach gets fired. No one outside of the coach is held to account.

They must resist this and stick fat with Pyke and find 3 to 5 replacement assistant coaches. That is where we will tell if they are serious. Make offers to the best available assistant coach. and get them to move to Adelaide. Don’t settle for an SANFL coach. Find someone who will get the team better.

I think they feel the pressure, every single conversation Chapman would have in his non footy role would have something about the Crows, i see people stopping him in the street to ask about the Crows.

But I agree, keep Pyke clean out around him. I just don't have the confidence in this club to be able to demonstrate that kind of leadership.