2nds The SANFL Thread

[JP Sauce]

So do we think anyone in the SANFL did enough to impress for AFL selection?

Seems like Grigg and Jaensch might have, although I didn't either game. Lyons and Wright appear to have done enough for selection without even playing.

Also the view I've always held is: selection is as much about players impressing to be picked as it is about players SCREAMING to be dropped, and we have several of the latter. It should be about punishing failure/poor form as well as rewarding success/good form.

 

[spenze]

Really? I would've thought that WWT have developed him nicely through his junior days to get him picked up by an AFL club. Please explain just how WWT are hindering his development at the moment.

Which team is paying his wages?

That team may have a different role they want to develop a player into, that I can understand the Eagles being reticent to go along with. Say for instance, Sando thinks that CEY would make an excellent replacement for Reilly as loose man at the back, he can suggest to WWT that he wants to play that role but WWT can say yes and then switch him from that role 5 mins into the game to suit their own needs ( and that is fair enough).

It isn't a rag on the SANFL clubs but it is silly to think that an AFL team can get the best development for their players, playing in a side with a different game plan, different structures and different development ideas for players

 

[chazwazza]

So is this happening with CEY? Does Adelaide actually have an issue here with CEY and WWT? Or is this just a hyperthetical? Details and facts please.

 

[hey shorty]

Graham is proving to be quite a reasonable SANFL ruckman, with Jacobs in such poor form it might be time for Grand Angus. Tambling the same, but as much as id love to see him succeed his time is done

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

I was listening to that and the way that Rucci kept non-stop talking over Shuts trying to prevent him from presenting his side of the debate was nothing short of despicable and rudeness at its peak.

It irritated me so much that I rang 5aa and spoke to the producer, asking them to tell Rucci that he is the rudest most ignorant bastard on earth and to shut his mouth when someone else is trying to express their point of view. I probably wasn't the only one because about 1 minute later they went to a break, after which Rucci restrained himself somewhat, giving Shuts half a chance to get a word in.

Rucci is nothing but an embarrassment to his "profession" (prostitutes are regarded as having a "profession" too), and I thought he descended into even lower levels than normal in this exchange.

Yes, he has become 1 man anti-Crows reserves in the SANFL parrot, who has not looked at all sides of the argument & shot anyone down who has the opposite view. He has been peddling the same crap daily!

Whilst, I'm pro-Crows reserves in the SANFL, I can acknowledge there are both sides to the argument. Now Rooch if you call yourself a professional journalist, you too would respect both sides of the argument. There's a challenge which I'm sure you will refuse to accept!

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

PS. With Lyons & Wright pulled from today's SANFL game, they both should come in next week!

 

[Mego Red]

So is this happening with CEY? Does Adelaide actually have an issue here with CEY and WWT? Or is this just a hyperthetical? Details and facts please.

The fact that Sanderson has demanded a reserves side for next year is clear evidence that Crows players aren't being a managed in the lower leagues in the way that he wants.

 

[Stinger...]

I'm all for the AFC having a reserves side! It makes sense no question. But no way should the AFC or Ports reserves sides play in the SANFL League competition!

The VFL comp makes more sense as its an already compromised league and is 50% an AFL ressies comp anyway! Otherwise, they play in the SANFL Reserves.

 

[chazwazza]

The fact that Sanderson has demanded a reserves side for next year is clear evidence that Crows players aren't being a managed in the lower leagues in the way that he wants.

Still no facts re CEY. Still waiting.

 

[Crow-eater]

PS. With Lyons & Wright pulled from today's SANFL game, they both should come in next week!

If we were truly resting Lyons, he shouldn't have played today regardless. But considering both were pulled, you would expect both to be right in the mix for a call up. Probably the first 2 in for any changes we make.

 

[alex_is_on_fire]

I don't get this complaint by the SANFL clubs that the two AFL clubs will be too strong.
.this would be our crows reserves side this week.

B: johncock - Hartigan - Siggions (not sure if he played)
HB: CEY - Thompson - Tambling
C: Martin - Riley - Jaensch
HF: Atkins - XXXX - Joyce
F: McIntyre-
R: Graham - Grigg -

Interchange:

Not sure if Wright and Lyons play this round if we have a reserves side but looking at the side, it's not over intimidating to a harden SANFL side and Norwood, West Adelaide, North Adelaide and Centraks would give us a touch up.

 

[Stinger...]

I don't get this complaint by the SANFL clubs that the two AFL clubs will be too strong.
.this would be our crows reserves side this week.

B: johncock - Hartigan - Siggions (not sure if he played)
HB: CEY - Thompson - Tambling
C: Martin - Riley - Jaensch
HF: Atkins - XXXX - Joyce
F: McIntyre-
R: Graham - Grigg -

Interchange:

Not sure if Wright and Lyons play this round if we have a reserves side but looking at the side, it's not over intimidating to a harden SANFL side and Norwood, West Adelaide, North Adelaide and Centraks would give us a touch up.

I agree that the two AFL clubs reserves sides wouldn't be too strong. I think the bigger issue is would they even be trying to win or care about premiership points?

IMO they shouldn't be concerned about reserves wins, which is why they belong in their own stand alone reserves competition. I don't get the whole 'we can't afford a stand alone reserves competition' argument. If AFL clubs feel that by having a reserves team will help with player development and in turn lead to success, then direct current football dept. monies to a reserves side in their own comp.

 

[alex_is_on_fire]

I agree that the two AFL clubs reserves sides wouldn't be too strong. I think the bigger issue is would they even be trying to win or care about premiership points?

IMO they shouldn't be concerned about reserves wins, which is why they belong in their own stand alone reserves competition. I don't get the whole 'we can't afford a stand alone reserves competition' argument. If AFL clubs feel that by having a reserves team will help with player development and in turn lead to success, then direct current football dept. monies to a reserves side in their own comp.

I agree on the national reserves competition, however, lets be realistic - it's not going to happen. It should but it won't.

However, regarding winning and losing, of course they would care. Every player and coach would naturally have that competitive spirit and that desire to win. Meaning a premiership would be a natural objective. As soon as the ball is bounced, they will want to win.

 

[spenze]

Still no facts re CEY. Still waiting.

FFS quit the strawman argument dude, it is emabarrasing.

The original argument was how was CEY going and when would he play, to which I said "Someone like CEY is the reason we need a reserves side, we can't develop talent when they play for someone else"

It is pretty simple, it is hard to develop your players when they play for someone else, you don't have total control yet you contribute 100% of his pay.

You then validate my argument by telling me that the junior coaches did well enough to get him to a level to be drafted...but two years on, he is in the reserves...so he has gone backwards, not forwards, in two years of being with WWT and all on the AFC coin.

I understand you don't want the Crows seconds in the SANFL and I can accept that but it does the Crows no good at all having their players disband each Thursday night and play in a side that has different goals.

 

[Elite Crow]

If we were truly resting Lyons, he shouldn't have played today regardless. But considering both were pulled, you would expect both to be right in the mix for a call up. Probably the first 2 in for any changes we make.

Even more than that, if they were in consideration for next week they wouldn't have been played today. So until the debacle it looks like we had ruled out Lyons for a couple of games which is rubbish. How long is he supposed to be resting for?

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

If we were truly resting Lyons, he shouldn't have played today regardless. But considering both were pulled, you would expect both to be right in the mix for a call up. Probably the first 2 in for any changes we make.

Playing an SANFL v AFL game is effectively a rest. They would have played today if not for the short break.

 

[chazwazza]

FFS quit the strawman argument dude, it is emabarrasing.

The original argument was how was CEY going and when would he play, to which I said "Someone like CEY is the reason we need a reserves side, we can't develop talent when they play for someone else"

It is pretty simple, it is hard to develop your players when they play for someone else, you don't have total control yet you contribute 100% of his pay.

You then validate my argument by telling me that the junior coaches did well enough to get him to a level to be drafted...but two years on, he is in the reserves...so he has gone backwards, not forwards, in two years of being with WWT and all on the AFC coin.

I understand you don't want the Crows seconds in the SANFL and I can accept that but it does the Crows no good at all having their players disband each Thursday night and play in a side that has different goals.

Doesn't mean that he isn't being developed or that his development is being hindered. You were using him as an example as a lack of development. I was merely asking IF it was and if so what were the issues. Players have been developed for over twenty years in this system. There's many reasons for a player not making it. Maybe he's still too young, maybe he's a late bloomer, maybe he isn't good enough. You're using this as THE reason yet you can't back it up.

 

[alex_is_on_fire]

Speaking of CEY and I guess Nick Joyce, one positive about having our own reserves side would see them play league football every week.

At the moment, they are playing league football 1 every 4 or 5 weeks. Playing league football every week will see them be able to implement the training tricks and habits being spoken about every day. At the moment, he (or they) are hearing advice from there line manager but getting different instructions from a different coach.

Come next season, they can get that advice and then et automatic feedback during that game in things they are working on. It will also make it easier to see the players who are and who are not developing as quickly as others and are struggling to live up to that standard.

 

[brucetiki]

I agree on the national reserves competition, however, lets be realistic - it's not going to happen. It should but it won't.

However, regarding winning and losing, of course they would care. Every player and coach would naturally have that competitive spirit and that desire to win. Meaning a premiership would be a natural objective. As soon as the ball is bounced, they will want to win.

Not necessarily. Several feeder VFL clubs have publicly declared that player development takes precedence over their VFL win/loss record - one such club being the Northern Blues (Carlton's VFL affiliate).

 

[Elite Crow]

Playing an SANFL v AFL game is effectively a rest. They would have played today if not for the short break.

No it's not. You still run, tackle and get tackled.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

No it's not. You still run, tackle and get tackled.

There is a huge difference between AFL & SANFL! Why do you think nearly all 1st year players are dropped back to reserves sides during the year. There is much less toll on young bodies in the SANFL.

 

[Jerome]

FFS quit the strawman argument dude, it is emabarrasing.

The original argument was how was CEY going and when would he play, to which I said "Someone like CEY is the reason we need a reserves side, we can't develop talent when they play for someone else"

but two years on, he is in the reserves...so he has gone backwards, not forwards, in two years of being with WWT and all on the AFC coin.

CEY is currently out with a shoulder injury. Based on a report on the AFC website on Friday, he should miss this week and hopefully be available after that.

I have been following him and hasnt been in the reserves for about a month. At the start of the year WWT didnt seem to know what to do with him - played half forward, half back. He couldnt get his game going and was unfairly dropped. He did kick the winning goals for them in one of the first few rounds playing up forward.

Anyway for the past month, he has been playing off the bench, through the midfield and up forward. He has looked good, tackles and marks well and is a great kick. Given our lack of firepower, I would like to see him played as a forward.

 

[alex_is_on_fire]

Not necessarily. Several feeder VFL clubs have publicly declared that player development takes precedence over their VFL win/loss record - one such club being the Northern Blues (Carlton's VFL affiliate).

Yeah and that's fine but it's still going to be on like donkey kong as soon as the ball is bounced.

Who ever plays where, they will want to win.

Anyway, is that a huge deal if you are a supporter of an SANFL club knowing you will come out with the victory?
it would only annoy crows supporters who desperately want to win.

 

[Elite Crow]

There is a huge difference between AFL & SANFL! Why do you think nearly all 1st year players are dropped back to reserves sides during the year. There is much less toll on young bodies in the SANFL.

There is no doubt the intensity drops, but it's not a rest. I'd say for a player like Lyons who is a key mid he most probably does as much work for Glenelg as he does for the Crows where he is 7th in line our midfield.

 

[Stinger...]

Yeah and that's fine but it's still going to be on like donkey kong as soon as the ball is bounced.

Who ever plays where, they will want to win.

Anyway, is that a huge deal if you are a supporter of an SANFL club knowing you will come out with the victory?
it would only annoy crows supporters who desperately want to win.

Why would anyone go to a game if the other team is only half trying? Waste of everybodies time and money.

I agree with you that players always want to win. But it will be quite clear that the AFC and Port will only have development in mind with their reserves side (as they should). For that reason, the VFL is the best fit for both of them!