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Analysis The season so far

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Jun 6, 2016
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Very very different to 2020 and 2021.

Very very much a development year or two or even three.

What I've noticed so far this season:

Game style:

  • Evidently very different, a manic style that relies on pressure around the ball / contest. You'll notice we close space on the oppo ball carrier and then have outside space to transition ball. It denies opposition clean disposal, we literally suffocate the opposition into submission. Sound familiar? Hint. Us 2017- 18 and tuggers in their dynasty. Note there are differences.......... I'll get to that later
  • This is a very difficult game style to defeat, yet equally taxing, requires a lot and I mean a lot of two way running. It's why you'll see our players between the arcs in both i50 and d50 in perpetuity. Haven't seen Sides cover that much ground since 2018, he was the finals player of the year that year - for good reason
  • Role play - or at least building toward it. We're heavily rotating players through centre bounces, note Billy and TheGoey rotating mid forward, Pendles and Crisp doing similar from half back. This is not like set players for set positions for most teams. My guess is this is a compensation for lack of personnel - in a balanced sense.

Team Defence:

  • Linked with the above, the instruction is clear, guard your space to disallow the opposition clear and easy transition. We don't see this on the TV but we guard space, this allows us to close space at the contest. You would've noticed this in the game last night when bris had ball and had to slowly and carefully transition through our 'team defence'
  • If they couldn't do that they'd be forced to kick down the line to a contest or basically play phone box footy with us. Then it's even contest, the intent we have is outnumber in that contest AND have outnumber on the outside of the contest to allow us uncontested transition. Swarm and spread. Sound familiar?
Las qtr fade outs:
  • Again linked to both of the above, while this game style we use is very difficult to defeat it is equally taxing to execute. This is likely the cause of our last qtr fade outs because of the taxing factor of our game. Because it requires two way running all game to outnumber in the phone box and on the outside.
  • You would've noticed that in all the games previous to last night that we forced the opposition to play game on our terms - the difference being we run out of petrol tickets and they beat us at our own game.
  • Most glaringly the cats game, Madge being caught out guarding space, cats win contest and have numbers on the ball win and easy transition to Cameron, coz we run outta fuel, he wasn't able to close space like earlier in the game or like Moore could've.
Tempo the game when the opposition has momentum:

  • For the first time we managed to slow the game down when the opposition had momentum last night, and it worked. IF we can do this going forward it will alleviate (somewhat) our last qtr fade outs. We did not fade out in the last last night.
  • This is key, managing our manic game when it's not on our terms. We failed this in the cats game, they beat us at our own game i:e we kept pressure up and they applied their own but had fuel - we run out of.
Talent depth:

  • This is a big problem, we went tall with Cox / Cameron against a formidable Adams / Andrews, was never going to work. But it was forced and shows our lack of depth, yeah Freddy's return was a highlight but he is not yet ready to enforce pain on such opposition
  • The wc game last week it showed without the grunt of TheGoey and Tay in the phone box we were always up against it. Regardless of rotating mids until we get 50 plus games into our hopefuls then we really can only rely on system. Which by all accounts is standing up pretty well considering.
List imbalance:
  • Also another big big problem, we have blue chip players that matches any league wide, the problem is our key position and age demographic. It's imbalanced as any AND the fact that we're last to hop on the rebuild train.
  • In saying that it does give Fly and the panel freedom to mould it how they see fit, the pressure on the coaching panel is pretty much nil AND gives them time to find the strengths of each individual player.
Overall:

  • Good news is system wise this is cannot fail, it's a fait accompli and it is not personnel reliant, it needs tweaking i:e tempo the game and find balance in it when needed but the rebuild is positive
  • The bad news is, if someone with the list of like the dees or dogs or cats employ the same we won't match it on the back of our imbalanced inferior list.
In a nutshell we really are hoping the planets align in a development sense and hopefully pinch a flag, in the meantime the dogs, dees and maybe lions may well be building dynasty teams, if not already. Not to mention we need to hope and pray the blose and the bomb outs don't flag before us. We had our chance a decade ago at a dynasty and blew it, let's hope they blow it too.

Hopeful we can pinch a flag 24 - 25, without Pendles, Sides, Howe and Roughy
 
Given we are basically 1-2 goals off flag favourites, I'm not sure why people are so eager to say we're going to be developing for 2-3 years.
You can’t isolate singular results. If we played 10 games against the Lions, we’d lose 8 or 9 of them. The other night’s result was encouraging but we are very much still putting the pieces together and will be for a while (which we should - no shortcuts)
 
You can’t isolate singular results. If we played 10 games against the Lions, we’d lose 8 or 9 of them. The other night’s result was encouraging but we are very much still putting the pieces together and will be for a while (which we should - no shortcuts)
It's not singular results, it's a trend. We would be 4-1 or 5-0 right now if we were more experienced, ie next year or the year after.
 

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Doing better then my Expectations Before the Season.

I had us Struggling this year and being a Bottom 4 Side

BUT

After Winning 2 Games Pushing Flag Contenders in Cats and Lions. Just 1 bad game vs Eagles

Has me thinking we might not be down the Bottom and might even Push for Finals.

Though still could be Bottom 4 this year as long way to go
 
You can’t isolate singular results. If we played 10 games against the Lions, we’d lose 8 or 9 of them. The other night’s result was encouraging but we are very much still putting the pieces together and will be for a while (which we should - no shortcuts)

It's not singular results, it's a trend. We would be 4-1 or 5-0 right now if we were more experienced, ie next year or the year after.

And that's how close the comp is in reality, right now our system (nearly) stacks up. It needs a little balance but it's not far off but it's very taxing and requires all day way running from our dozen between the arcs for it to work, and that won't change, and it also needs a little tempering.

It's break neck speed around the phone box, and it was clear in the cats and eagles games the opposition decided if they can't go around, through or over they'd just take us on at our own game much fresher. And it worked for them, that's why we're not 4-1 or 5 zip.

What we have system wise will contend when our list balances up experience and KPP wise, that's gonna take more than this season and maybe another 2 or maybe not. We'll wait and see.

In any case because of our list imbalance and the time needed to balance it up, the likes of Sides, Pendles (maybe), Roughie and Howie will not be in that contending team. So we might pinch a flag but we're not in a position to build a dynasty team like the dees and dogs have at the moment.
 
I think we're better than last year's result indicated. Last year was a dumpster fire that began in the pre season and continued for the entire year. It was just one distraction after another. I knew that we would improve this year with the absence of that drama alone. Add to that a new coaching panel and all of sudden the club is reinvigorated with some fresh ideas. I tipped us to finish thirteenth this season but after five rounds I believe we can make the eight IF we are able to get/keep anything near our best 22 on the park.
 
I think we're better than last year's result indicated. Last year was a dumpster fire that began in the pre season and continued for the entire year. It was just one distraction after another. I knew that we would improve this year with the absence of that drama alone. Add to that a new coaching panel and all of sudden the club is reinvigorated with some fresh ideas. I tipped us to finish thirteenth this season but after five rounds I believe we can make the eight IF we are able to get/keep anything near our best 22 on the park.

The key is keeping the best 22 on the park as the depth isn’t there at the moment.

Against West Coast it was Adams, DeGoey, Roughead, McCreery and Kreuger missing.

Against Brisbane it was Mihocek, McCreery, Ginnivan missing from the forward line.

Last year things fell apart when we were missing Moore and Howe. That made last year even worse.

We stay healthy I’m starting to think an 8-12 finish is possible.


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I think we're better than last year's result indicated. Last year was a dumpster fire that began in the pre season and continued for the entire year. It was just one distraction after another. I knew that we would improve this year with the absence of that drama alone. Add to that a new coaching panel and all of sudden the club is reinvigorated with some fresh ideas. I tipped us to finish thirteenth this season but after five rounds I believe we can make the eight IF we are able to get/keep anything near our best 22 on the park.
If we can get close to everyone together than last few rungs of the top 8 is possible I rkn
 

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I think we're better than last year's result indicated. Last year was a dumpster fire that began in the pre season and continued for the entire year. It was just one distraction after another. I knew that we would improve this year with the absence of that drama alone. Add to that a new coaching panel and all of sudden the club is reinvigorated with some fresh ideas. I tipped us to finish thirteenth this season but after five rounds I believe we can make the eight IF we are able to get/keep anything near our best 22 on the park.

The key is keeping the best 22 on the park as the depth isn’t there at the moment.

Against West Coast it was Adams, DeGoey, Roughead, McCreery and Kreuger missing.

Against Brisbane it was Mihocek, McCreery, Ginnivan missing from the forward line.

Last year things fell apart when we were missing Moore and Howe. That made last year even worse.

We stay healthy I’m starting to think an 8-12 finish is possible.


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Do we want to finish 8th and just make up the numbers though?, would it not be better to finish lower to give our list management some breathing room to repair the imbalance? And give the necessary time for development.

I'm not advocating tanking but rising too soon with holes in the list doesn't bode well trying to build a profile to win a flag. And the club will not go down the tanking path, it's clear the club have development in mind.
 
I think the season has gone as well,if not better than could have been expected.The one disappointment was the West Coast game,a game that we clearly should have won.Otherwise you couldn’t complain about our performances so far.
 
Are you suggesting the 'rebuild' started at the beginning of 2021?

end of 2020.... buckley even tried - in his own way - to become more aggressive last year but it really needed a new coach for the players to believe it.

we're currently playing a senior team to play some of them out the door....and also give a final chance to the browns and the cox's. Stage 2 of the progressive rebuild next year.
 
end of 2020.... buckley even tried - in his own way - to become more aggressive last year but it really needed a new coach for the players to believe it.

we're currently playing a senior team to play some of them out the door....and also give a final chance to the browns and the cox's. Stage 2 of the progressive rebuild next year.

I don't recall the club stating this, at the start of last year or even the end of 2020 there was no mention from the club about resetting the senior men's team.
 

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I think the season has gone as well,if not better than could have been expected.The one disappointment was the West Coast game,a game that we clearly should have won.Otherwise you couldn’t complain about our performances so far.

And we should expect those hiccups, it's a raw team with one pre season of gelling and cohesion.

Us fans and the media need to temper their expectations, we're likely to finish bottom 4-6 but it'll be a very positive reflection on the rebuild.
 
I still haven't read or heard the club stating at the end of 2020, they're resetting the senior men's team. Do have a link to the information of resetting at that time?

statements like that are PR exercises to say something that everyone already knows... to give the club room to breathe

a statement at that time would have been a shock to members. Best to start the process unheralded.

if you're looking for a statement, there wasn't one. if you want one for a rebuilding process to actually occur, thats your opinion. I tend to look at what the club is actually doing.
 
And we should expect those hiccups, it's a raw team with one pre season of gelling and cohesion.

Us fans and the media need to temper their expectations, we're likely to finish bottom 4-6 but it'll be a very positive reflection on the rebuild.

It's not a raw team. The youngsters were in the VFL this week except for the reef. The seniors are being asked to be more adventurous, that is the key change.
 
statements like that are PR exercises to say something that everyone already knows... to give the club room to breathe

a statement at that time would have been a shock to members. Best to start the process unheralded.

if you're looking for a statement, there wasn't one. if you want one for a rebuilding process to actually occur, thats your opinion. I tend to look at what the club is actually doing.

Yes I get you're saying it's a reset by stealth and not make it public. What the club was actually doing, last year or so it seemed was to continue to attempt to make / win finals. We kept the same stale and not successful game plan from the year before, that doesn't look like a reset to most.
 

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