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[blujoejoe]

Not sure about trading Boots, and especially Watson A defender of his size, speed, decision making and kick is hard to come by. He will be as dominant in the back as Cloke is up front once he is at his prime.

 

[SE_Blue]

Personally feel our forward line is at it's most dangerous when it plays like it did Friday night - quick, agile and unpredictable. Don't need Cloke, don't want Cloke.

 

[Buzz/Sticks/bryce]

Adding the best contested mark in the league to our mix of medium/smalls would be worth a little pain imo, I hope we make an offer- Rowe, Casboult, Mitchell- zero games thus far and a whole lot of unknown hope. Waite- will the back improve? This is actually one trade I hope we go hard at.

 

[LanceRomance]

i would be willing to trade both (even tho i love both) to often we assume a young player will be a superstar.
Travis Cloke is a excellent fullforward, bootsma is a promising young player who has the potential to play wing, hff, hbf or at best in the middle.
our time is in the immediate future not when bootsma is 24 at the prime of his career.
I don' t think we will get cloke but if the choice was leak a couple decent young prospects for a ready made marking machine.... well you do the maths.

It would be ridiculous to trade bootsma, especially if he didnt want to leave. The Kid is special.. could nay should have gone higher in the draft

 

[The Coach]

Anyone who thinks we can win a flag without a power forward/marking target is a flaming idiot.

What TTB meant to say was ..... is kidding themselves

 

[Juddys_navy_blues]

It would be ridiculous to trade bootsma, especially if he didnt want to leave. The Kid is special.. could nay should have gone higher in the draft

Agree we made the mistake once of trading a Kid who didnt want to leave, i bet 99% of supporters wish we still had that Josh Kennedy Kid still p[laying in our Forward line. We have to hope that Casboult, Mitchell or Mccarthey turn into that strong marking key position forward we need, we arent going to get one in trade week. Its development or Draft pick thats going to fill that void..

 

[AlecDuncan]

McLean is being paid $400 000 pa isnt he?

For another dozen weeks anyway.

 

[Azul]

Anyone who thinks we can win a flag without a power forward/marking target is a flaming idiot.

Casboult, Rowe, Mitchell, Waite. With Watson developing ok, add Henderson to the list.

Cloke is overpriced. Or maybe he just has underwhelming performances against us.

 

[The Coach]

We showed everyone that we don't need him. No doubt he has talent, but are u willing to squeeze out someone like bootsma or Watson next year to pay him. I am not. If he didn't demand so much coin, sure. But we would see the repercussions from the start. And it wouldn't just be 1 year of losing good players, it would be 5. If we don't win a premiership in the first few years, the domino effect would be catastrophic. There is a reason collingwood aren't budging. Take heed.

no one actually suggested trading Boots or Watson - HCJ was trying to scare us

see above

 

[Stig O'Hara]

Casboult, Rowe, Mitchell, Waite. With Watson developing ok, add Henderson to the list.

Cloke is overpriced. Or maybe he just has underwhelming performances against us.

Yes, yes and yes.

Always keep an eye out for your posts AZ.

 

[Azul]

Always keep an eye out for your posts AZ.

Thanks, numbers.

 

[The Coach]

Casboult, Rowe, Mitchell, Waite. With Watson developing ok, add Henderson to the list.

Cloke is overpriced. Or maybe he just has underwhelming performances against us.

Why gamble?
Cas 0 games
Rowe 0 games
Mitch 0 games
Waite always injured (Now it is THE BACK!)
Watson required Defender
Hendo required Defender (with swing capability)

I think Cloke is the biggest opportunity since Juddy was available (prefer him to Goddard )

 

[pepalenko]

Why gamble?
Cas 0 games
Rowe 0 games
Mitch 0 games
Waite always injured (Now it is THE BACK!)
Watson required Defender
Hendo required Defender (with swing capability)

I think Cloke is the biggest opportunity since Juddy was available (prefer him to Goddard )

I would love to see us develop our own and save some money at the same time.

 

[JustaBattler]

As pointed out above - Sans injuries or sickness to Rowe/Waite/Casboult/Mitchell and now Henderson/Hampson means six potential tall targes have not been available - a very rare and very difficult to plan for sad fact.

Leaving aside the silly money Cloke is asking for - imagine the set back of paying up and then seeing him cop a serious injury(ies) and being effectively worse than useless?
This is mega risk on a grand scale IMHO.

Everyone at the Club I am sure would love a tall marking forward -eg Judd/Ratten have said same in public commentary over the last two weeks - but we seem to have won the lottery in bad luck regarding injury to talls this year. Waite's injury has been especially cruel.

 

[JG38]

Big Cas, Big Sam and Squida need massive pre seasons stay fit and healthy. 1 or 2 of them should get games towards end of year

Big Cas is seriously unlucky his pre season was very good.

 

[The Coach]

I would love to see us develop our own and save some money at the same time.

You would not be saving some money - you have to spend your salary cap. If eg Warnock was traded and McLean is on a reduced contract - there is the extra money you need for Cloke

As pointed out above - Sans injuries or sickness to Rowe/Waite/Casboult/Mitchell and now Henderson/Hampson means six potential tall targes have not been available - a very rare and very difficult to plan for sad fact.

Leaving aside the silly money Cloke is asking for - imagine the set back of paying up and then seeing him cop a serious injury(ies) and being effectively worse than useless?
This is mega risk on a grand scale IMHO.

Everyone at the Club I am sure would love a tall marking forward -eg Judd/Ratten have said same in public commentary over the last two weeks - but we seem to have won the lottery in bad luck regarding injury to talls this year. Waite's injury has been especially cruel.

This applies to every star - Juddy, Ablett etc. It did not seem to enter into our thoughts when giving Waitey his 3 years. Cloke like his old man - seems pretty strong and durable

 

[JustaBattler]

You would not be saving some money - you have to spend your salary cap. If eg Warnock was traded and McLean is on a reduced contract - there is the extra money you need for Cloke



This applies to every star - Juddy, Ablett etc. It did not seem to enter into our thoughts when giving Waitey his 3 years. Cloke like his old man - seems pretty strong and durable

Agree with the view about risk of injury. However lets not forget that Judd was bought in to lead a young developing team and Captain - like Ablett @ Suns. The midfiled is where you manufacture the ammunition to load those tall guns up front. Also Agree again on the money issue - Warnock and a lower Mclean price tag almost get us there anyway. Waite's cost is probably less than many imagine isn't he a vet now anyway? So yeah the money is probably there and a Cloke sponsor could no doubt be found anyway.

I doubt that he is as good as Judd for us right now - but even that possibility combined with the absolute frenzy of angst it would cause at the Wobblers might be worth the ask. Who would their midfield have to kick to? Yeah I can see the attraction and the merit AND the fun of it.

I suspect though that his signing is all about ( maybe ) what and where Micky Milkshake goes to. Machiavelli might see Micky Milkshake appointed as Director of Coaching, Player Development and List Management - in order to secure that package. Cloke wouldn't be the only 'loosey' in FIGJAM's lot.

 

[Big_Luch]

Agree with the view about risk of injury. However lets not forget that Judd was bought in to lead a young developing team and Captain - like Ablett @ Suns. The midfiled is where you manufacture the ammunition to load those tall guns up front. Also Agree again on the money issue - Warnock and a lower Mclean price tag almost get us there anyway. Waite's cost is probably less than many imagine isn't he a vet now anyway? So yeah the money is probably there and a Cloke sponsor could no doubt be found anyway.

I doubt that he is as good as Judd for us right now - but even that possibility combined with the absolute frenzy of angst it would cause at the Wobblers might be worth the ask. Who would their midfield have to kick to? Yeah I can see the attraction and the merit AND the fun of it.

I suspect though that his signing is all about ( maybe ) what and where Micky Milkshake goes to. Machiavelli might see Micky Milkshake appointed as Director of Coaching, Player Development and List Management - in order to secure that package. Cloke wouldn't be the only 'loosey' in FIGJAM's lot.

Id love to see malthouse in a director of coaching role etc. As its not a role that would grab him i wonder how much cash it would take to make that job attractive. Probably the best case scenario in terms coaching movements at years end.

 

[JustaBattler]

Id love to see malthouse in a director of coaching role etc. As its not a role that would grab him i wonder how much cash it would take to make that job attractive. Probably the best case scenario in terms coaching movements at years end.

Oh or sure - lots of seriously interesting hypotheticals t ponder about. Micky Milkshake's value IF he has sway over players ( like Cloke) or Pendelbury or Thomas..imagine a Club that gets him 'some' respectable position - would be buying a whole package of potential known elite talent if they had the cash/room/need/cap levels required- but which Club woudnt make room for two of these players at least?

Malthouse doesn't even have to come to Carlton - he could go anywhere - thats why the Wobblers are pissin their pantz playing as many young one as possible and hanging tough with Cloke on money and conditions.

The other side of the coin is that Malthouses attractivenes diminishes fast with each year that passes. really it is next year which represents maybe 80% of his total value..for obvious reasons. he is therefore desperate to sign now or maybe never

as he said " never say never BUT never is getting closer all the time" big message to EVERY CLUB - if you want me take me now otherwise I am probably finished.

 

[BlueTongue]

Why gamble?
Cas 0 games
Rowe 0 games
Mitch 0 games
Waite always injured (Now it is THE BACK!)
Watson required Defender
Hendo required Defender (with swing capability)

I think Cloke is the biggest opportunity since Juddy was available (prefer him to Goddard )

Adding Cloke to our list will not solve our problems, and I agree it would force others out of the club due to his ridiculous salary. Our problems seem to be between the ears and also limited footskills. If we can't deliver the ball to Cloke, having him there won't make one bit of difference. We have an abundance of talent in the forward line, we just need to learn how to deliver the ball to them instead of bombing it in and relying on Eddie Betts to Mark it.

 

[HereComesJuddy]

i would be willing to trade both (even tho i love both) to often we assume a young player will be a superstar.
Travis Cloke is a excellent fullforward, bootsma is a promising young player who has the potential to play wing, hff, hbf or at best in the middle.
our time is in the immediate future not when bootsma is 24 at the prime of his career.
I don' t think we will get cloke but if the choice was leak a couple decent young prospects for a ready made marking machine.... well you do the maths.

The math is we probably lose 2 decent players a year to pay him. He is good, but this would be a cancer throughout our club.

 

[KennyHunter9]

Can't believe the suggestion to off load Bootsma!!!

Reminds of the people who wanted to trade Yarran in his first year of a two year contract! Mad and wrong.

Dont think our forward structure is nearly as bad as people are saying. I liked Walker playing FF on the weekend. Hendo can stay at CHF with Watson looking so comfortable. We're also surely going to have one of Mitchell, Rowe and Waite available, plus a resting ruckman. Do we really need to break the bank to get Cloke?

Would rather go after an experienced, big bodied player who can play on the ball and who wants to come to a club and win a premiership (yes, Brendon, that's you).

 

[Wickzki]

Can't believe the suggestion to off load Bootsma!!!

Please point out to me where someone suggested we trade him.

 

[The Flying Doormat]

The math is we probably lose 2 decent players a year to pay him. He is good, but this would be a cancer throughout our club.

I get what you are trying to say but not the best choice of words.

 

[KennyHunter9]

Please point out to me where someone suggested we trade him.

Omega Blue at #150 ... I know ... hard to believe.