The young Macedonian, Will Pucovski

[Borisdog]

The point of the “nowhere to go” comment is Hughes’ stance early in his career meant he couldn’t move inside the ball to let it go and couldn’t duck without also turning his back to the ball.

I understand the point, but I disputed that you have "nowhere to go".

Nowhere GOOD to go is a better way of saying it.

 

[jannissary]

truly a disappointing end to someone with so much promise, but it does beg to ask the question. did he always have this problem at facing the short ball? or did it develop from elsewhere?

i saw some of his early performances (blame being a bored uni student over summers before COVID) and his best was really, really good, but the fatal flaw of his technique (which others had pointed out) is that he'd constantly lean into the short ball and get hit. it defies logic, and surely, for someone who'd be picked up reasonably early as a potential test player, this habit/deficiency would have been spotted and "ironed out" by performance/batting coaches, right? by the second, third time he'd been concussed someone at the bushrangers or cricaus must've put some question marks up regarding the quality of his technique.

i also think the talks about his mental health are some of the most bullshit you could possibly say. it's ridiculously incredulous to connect those two things together as a reason why he shouldn't be playing cricket

overall, i realistically think that this call should've been made a few summers back, think of the comparisons to AFL players like paddy mccartin who've continuously gotten knocks to the head and caused concussions, even the slightest ones are seriously bad. cricket balls are hard, when they're bowled at 70kmph they hurt (from experience). when they're bowled at 130+, they'll ****ing hurt. any hit to the head is bad, but the fact that it'd happened so many times already shows the lack of care that the coaches may have had for him.

australia needs to take concussions far more seriously across all sporting codes, not just AFL

 

[Black Diamond]

Well there we go.

‘My journey ends’: Pucovski retires from cricket but payout talks continue

Victorian and Australian batsman Will Pucovski is still in talks with Cricket Victoria about the terms of his exit from the sport despite announcing his retirement from cricket after a long battle with concussion.

www.smh.com.au

No doubt managed to minimise CV and CA liability. Should have happened several years ago.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

I thought he’d already retired

 

[MarcMaverick]

Get the young man in the comms box and get rid off Langer and Hayden.

 

[the_interloper]

Well there we go.

‘My journey ends’: Pucovski retires from cricket but payout talks continue

Victorian and Australian batsman Will Pucovski is still in talks with Cricket Victoria about the terms of his exit from the sport despite announcing his retirement from cricket after a long battle with concussion.

www.smh.com.au

No doubt managed to minimise CV and CA liability. Should have happened several years ago.

Yeah glad to see he's finally decided this, young bloke and clearly concussions were going to keep happening. Bloody shame of course, we need at least one young proper Test opener right now.

 

[Gough]

Cricket sliding doors. An aging Phillip Hughes with Pucovski fit and suddenly our top order doesn't look quite as thin.

 

[western royboy]

Cricket sliding doors. An aging Phillip Hughes with Pucovski fit and suddenly our top order doesn't look quite as thin.

I don’t want to be disrespectful to the dead, but the late Phil Hughes had big unanswered questions about his international career - it is not a given he would have made it back

 

[the_interloper]

I don’t want to be disrespectful to the dead, but the late Phil Hughes had big unanswered questions about his international career - it is not a given he would have made it back

He didn't get treated great by the selectors imo, from memory he got recalled to the side one coming off a pair in a Shield game, that's pretty unfair.

 

[ioppolo]

Cricket sliding doors. An aging Phillip Hughes with Pucovski fit and suddenly our top order doesn't look quite as thin.

Would Khawaja have made such a comeback though?

Like you said, sliding doors.

 

[Jatz]

I honestly thought he'd made this decision last year.

Feel for him, judging on his comments, he's still going through some severe impacts from it.

 

[MarcMaverick]

I have to imagine that he was going through all the channels, avenues, leaving no stone unturned, etc... before coming to that decision.

 

[western royboy]

He didn't get treated great by the selectors imo, from memory he got recalled to the side one coming off a pair in a Shield game, that's pretty unfair.

Major technical flaw that his team refused to address until prior to his passing

 

[largebus]

I honestly thought he'd made this decision last year.

Feel for him, judging on his comments, he's still going through some severe impacts from it.

A medical panel recommended he retire a year ago and Vic cricket were never gonna risk a class action if he got hit again

 

[Borisdog]

I don’t want to be disrespectful to the dead, but the late Phil Hughes had big unanswered questions about his international career - it is not a given he would have made it back

100% agree. The revisionism gets a little painful. The way the narrative goes at times you'd think the world was robbed of the reincarnation of Bradman.

 

[MarcMaverick]

Also if a batsmen has any technical faults the opposition will look to exploit and expose said vulnerabilty/ies. Look at Virat Kohli in the past BGT.

 

[largebus]

Major technical flaw that his team refused to address until prior to his passing

100% agree. The revisionism gets a little painful. The way the narrative goes at times you'd think the world was robbed of the reincarnation of Bradman.

Did anyone compare him to Bradman? The consensus was he was a big talent with a few significant flaws.

Whats blatant revisionism is Royboy implying that his technique vs short balls led to his death.

He struggled against bouncers in the 2009 Ashes but had improved a lot in the following 5 years. He was dropped because he loved to fish outside off and bowlers caught on to it.

He had no history of getting hit constantly like Pucovski. If Hughes's technique supposedly got him killed, how is Pucovski still alive?

 

[Borisdog]

Did anyone compare him to Bradman? The consensus was he was a big talent with a few significant flaws.

Whats blatant revisionism is Royboy implying that his technique vs short balls led to his death.

He struggled against bouncers in the 2009 Ashes but had improved a lot in the following 5 years. He was dropped because he loved to fish outside off and bowlers caught on to it.

He had no history of getting hit constantly like Pucovski. If Hughes's technique supposedly got him killed, how is Pucovski still alive?

No-one compared him to Bradman. Read what I wrote again. Hyperbole on my part, sure, but he's been pumped up to something he wasn't. 26 Tests averaging 33 tells you that.

As far as his ( Hughes ) technique went, I'll say one thing.

I said to my wife while we were watching Hughes once, this bloke will get seriously hurt one day if he doesn't change his technique. That was probably at least 2 years before his passing. I've written that before in here.

My guess is I'm not the only one who thought that way. I remain amazed to this day that he did NOT change his short ball technique, and kept getting selected at the level he did.

I would have been VEHEMENTLY opposed to selecting him without demonstrable change to his "self preservation technique" if I were a selector. I believe there is a strong duty of care element there.

I don't believe Pucovski's technique was quite as bad. Will's alive for the same reason as any other living batsman - he didn't get hit in the wrong spot.

The thread is about Pucovski anyway and Will Pucovski has undeniably made the right decision for himself, and good on him.

 

[Black Diamond]

Borisdog is absolutely right about Hughes. 28 tests, 3 centuries at an average of 32. Joe Burns: 23 tests, 4 centuries, average of 36. Yeah, a lot of myth-making around Hughes.

Pucovski also had deep issues though. Sometimes the outcomes speak for themselves. A player who gets hit in the head that frequently has a problem by default, irrespective of how nice his cover drives or other shots might be.

 

[western royboy]

Did anyone compare him to Bradman? The consensus was he was a big talent with a few significant flaws.

Whats blatant revisionism is Royboy implying that his technique vs short balls led to his death.

He struggled against bouncers in the 2009 Ashes but had improved a lot in the following 5 years. He was dropped because he loved to fish outside off and bowlers caught on to it.

He had no history of getting hit constantly like Pucovski. If Hughes's technique supposedly got him killed, how is Pucovski still alive?

You made that up - if you want ti quote me at least try and get it right - jog on

 

[largebus]

You made that up - if you want ti quote me at least try and get it right - jog on

What else were you talking about then? Maybe I got presumptuous given the two batters' unfortunate history if head knocks but you weren't exactly clear what technical flaw you were referring to.

 

[western royboy]

What else were you talking about then? Maybe I got presumptuous given the two batters' unfortunate history if head knocks but you weren't exactly clear what technical flaw you were referring to.

Go back thru my posts and tell me exactly where i said what you have alleged - I have been very clear and specific with regard to Phil Hughes.

 

[Cleavy]

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/cricket/victorian-cricket-has-been-caught-unawares-by-will-pucovski-retirement-talks-of-compensation/news-story/cf2bfc722d169e8973544ebebb8c532b?amp

On Tuesday, Pucovski – the best batting talent of his generation – gave a heartbreaking account of the impact he is still experiencing in his day-to-day life.
“I felt so bad immediately after being hit in a physical sense (by Meredith) … and the dread probably came a bit later,” he told Whateley.
“Riley is one of the fastest bowlers and it got me in a bad spot. I was struggling to get anything done. Even just walking around the house was a struggle.

“My fiancé wasn’t happy because I could not contribute to any of the chores. I was sleeping a lot.
“I have spent a ridiculous amount of time trying to find answers. I have seen a heap of experts … but unfortunately it has got to the stage where I am still suffering and don’t really have the answers.

“Mental health is one part of it – that is related to the concussion stuff. I suffer from fatigue.
“One bizarre thing is I struggle with things on my left side. I am 27 and hopefully I have a good life ahead of me.”
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not a medical expert by any means, but the last sentence sounds like symptoms of a stroke?

 

[Black Diamond]

“Mental health is one part of it – that is related to the concussion stuff. I suffer from fatigue.
“One bizarre thing is I struggle with things on my left side. I am 27 and hopefully I have a good life ahead of me.”
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not a medical expert by any means, but the last sentence sounds like symptoms of a stroke?

Yes. An impact to the head can cause the same issues as a stroke.

 

[mrherman]

I don’t want to be disrespectful to the dead, but the late Phil Hughes had big unanswered questions about his international career - it is not a given he would have made it back

He reminded me of a Michael Bevan, a highly talented player, dominated state level and ODIs but struggled at tests once he was worked out, Hughes was similar he played a series against think it was NZ where he was dismissed in almost the exact same way all of his innings for the series