Time to make some changes with our List

[Faz 2000]

Evidently he has trouble controlling THE VOLUME OF HIS VOICE.

 

[OnTheFool]

When you think about it you guys are nearly at the level that Collingwood were in 2009. That offseason they used their first 2 picks to get Jolly and Ball, filling two holes in their list. The following year they got their flag

My point is you should throw the kitchen sink at Collingwood for Dawes. That is your main problem ATM... a reliable key forward. Henderson has shown enough to suggest he can comfortably hold down CHB so your back line is less of an issue. Your first pick (20 odd?) and maybe someone like Kane Lucas/Matty Watson would get the job done. It is giving up a lot but it could just about win you a flag. Don't forget that it will weaken Collingwood for a short time too

 

[TOPBLUE_25]

When you think about it you guys are nearly at the level that Collingwood were in 2009. That offseason they used their first 2 picks to get Jolly and Ball, filling two holes in their list. The following year they got their flag

My point is you should throw the kitchen sink at Collingwood for Dawes. That is your main problem ATM... a reliable key forward. Henderson has shown enough to suggest he can comfortably hold down CHB so your back line is less of an issue. Your first pick (20 odd?) and maybe someone like Kane Lucas/Matty Watson would get the job done. It is giving up a lot but it could just about win you a flag. Don't forget that it will weaken Collingwood for a short time too

I really just dont rate Dawes to be honest. I'd rather look at other options.

 

[Mailman]

North have strong midfield dpeth at the moment, particularly with inside types....Cunnington, Swallow and Ziebell in particular.

IMO Carlton need another inside mid and I think Cruize Garlett would be a great fit. Wouldnt be a star, but would be a top 22 player for you.

Its a similar scenario to Hale last year. Hale couldnt get a game because of McIntosh, Goldstein and Petrie....and is now a solid player with Hawthorn.

Not sure what Carlton would be able to give though. North need HBF'ers, speed and KPF's

 

[Faz 2000]

I really just dont rate Dawes to be honest. I'd rather look at other options.

Yeh, that's the thing. Kitchen-sinking for someone who ISN'T the answer kills you.

Dawes is good - but is he about to come into his own and be a superstar, or have we already seen everything he can offer (~30 goals)? Don't get me wrong he's good... but I can't tell whether he's gonna be *that* good. Young enough, though, and better than our other options right now.

 

[RattAttack]

North have strong midfield dpeth at the moment, particularly with inside types....Cunnington, Swallow and Ziebell in particular.

IMO Carlton need another inside mid and I think Cruize Garlett would be a great fit. Wouldnt be a star, but would be a top 22 player for you.

Its a similar scenario to Hale last year. Hale couldnt get a game because of McIntosh, Goldstein and Petrie....and is now a solid player with Hawthorn.

Not sure what Carlton would be able to give though. North need HBF'ers, speed and KPF's

The name Cruize Garlett keeps coming up re: possible trades. Any reason for that?

 

[Faz 2000]

Kitchen sink was set aside for Sam Reid, Faz.
Just a couple of taps and a g-clamp for Dawes.

No problem-o!

Yes, for Sam Reid we'd be talking an island bench (granite) and those fancy slow-close drawers, too.

 

[dumb]

don't think we need a blue-chip forward gun if we keep waite on the park. and i think we need to get over the fixation that we can and will land a gun so that we can also look for players that will 'perform a role'... partly because time and again i read these threads and what gets offered for these guns just won't work.
maybe a kid on our list can do that. present, lead up, kick 1 or 2 a game. keep the defense tightening up and forward issues are less of a problem too.

 

[Kramer1]

Yeh, that's the thing. Kitchen-sinking for someone who ISN'T the answer kills you.

Dawes is good - but is he about to come into his own and be a superstar, or have we already seen everything he can offer (~30 goals)? Don't get me wrong he's good... but I can't tell whether he's gonna be *that* good. Young enough, though, and better than our other options right now.

I see him at about Henderson's level in terms of value. Never likely to tear games apart like a Brown or even Cloke, but honest, big on work-rate and the right attitude. Obviously has some size on Hendo which we need, and a reasonably good contested mark.

A good big forward who can kick 40 or so, work hard and draw a quality defender is fine by me...

I pitch him somewhere in the 12-16 range which is an out and out superstar and two or three other first round picks below where most Collingwood fans would be floating him.

 

[Mailman]

Cruize Garlett an inside mid?
Are we talking about the same player?

Yep, same player. He doesnt really get a chance to play his true position due to competition from Ziebell, Swallow, Cunnington, Greenwood, Adams etc....so he gets played in more random spots.

Not saying he is anywhere near as good as Kerr, but same sort of player. Needs a chance at a team (wont get it at North) and he will be a good player.

Not what i would call express pace, but gets his own ball and uses it pretty well.

 

[The Coach]

It's near impossible to get a tall forward that is any good in the trade period. They cost too much. The last one that was any good that went in a trade was Kennedy and it took the best player in the league to get him.

I wouldn't have high hopes of getting a tall forward in the draft.

This is what we should do. Pick up a tall forward in the rookie draft and in the national draft again if we think there is anyone with potential about there.

Remember we chased key position players last year so we have a few in their second year in 2012 who we can work on. McCarthy, Watson and Mitchell.

Watson must go on the same path as Michael Hurley has at Essendon. A defender as a junior who is being moulded into a vary good forward. Watson has the perfect build to be a forward and is the right type of athlete. Tall, heavy, slid, strong and powerful. Henderson has a lean, light weight athletic build and is more of a running player. He hasn't got the forward's build and has sown up CHB and that is where he must stay. Ideas of Hendo going forward and Watson going to CHB in 2012 aren't bad ideas but I think we will be better off not going in that directions and showing a little extra patience with Watson in much the same way we have done this year with Thornton, Yarran and Henderson all changing ends.

Watson has not had the fitness and tricks for AFL this year but a big preseason and all our high profile development people and coaches will get onto him about it and make him a power forward.

From what I have seen Watson hasn't got the contested marking tricks which hinders him more as a forward than a back and he seems to move in the wrong areas when up forward but if you iron these things out you will have a very good forward. This is also why he is a back and not a forward, at this level we can change this and being in his second year it will be perfect timing to make a positional change with him.

We do not have a position for a tall defender. Henderson is not a forward, we have tried to make him into one to suit our needs but he is a much better backman than a forward which has been shown. Jamison has full back sown up and if we retain Bower then it's all done and dusted when it comes to tall backs.

Watson is 195cm tall, built like a forward and strong. What he has over all our other talls is when he gets going he will be able to kick goals from outside 50 which none of our tall forwards can really do. Part of being a good CHF is the ability to kick goals from that position which means being able to kick them from 50 to 60 meters out.

Our plan should be to have Mitchell as our next full forward and Watson as our center half forward. This would make us a hell of a side down the track if this pans out as I vision it.

Our coaching staff need to get hold of Watson and work with him flat out and teach him to play forward and how to use his body to out mark opponants.

He did not look like he had the body for the ants on Saturday so we are only talking potential not 'write him in' at this stage

Tis...As much as I like him, has looked like his books have been stamped for a while now.

Aussie looked good taking contested marks for the ants on Saturday

ps Sorry about late replies - up country

 

[Blue87]

I'll take a shot at our team come round 1 for next year.

Laidler Jamison Tuohy
Yarran Henderson Duigan/Davies/Russell
Gibbs ............... Simpson
Collins .............. Walker
Garlett Waite Betts
Warnock Judd Murphy
Kreuzer Robinson Scotland Lucas

EMG: Carrazzo Ellard Hampson

An Inside Mid and a CHF may (should) be our objective.

Carrazzo as an emergency is a big call, why?

 

[Mailman]

Fair enough as you know your man better than I, because I saw him as a small forward competing with Thomas and Campbell.

Definately an in and under mid when played in his best position. Refer to Port Adelaide game last year...

Anyways....just letting Blues fans know he is likely available due to lack of opportunities at North.

 

[Jeremias]

I'm not sure why we'd bother trading for Garlett, to be honest.

Stick to the draft where we are every chance to pick some up just as good as him, if not better.

 

[Dramoth]

Setanta? The kid stays in the picture.

I agree with this. Setanta, while he might not win you finals, is great to have at the club simply for depth if we have another forward go down. After countless years, he is finally getting the hang of being a good strong forward and is coming good on the lead and can protect the drop of the ball easily.

Simply getting rid of him would deplete our list as his replacement in Casboult is still 1 season away from being a top forward prospect.

And for everyone complaining about the bolt not being all that good below his knees... apart from Setanta and Special K, name one other 198cm+ guy who is as agile and has second and third efforts as well as those two?

If we are going to be looking at VFL/WAFL/SANFL tall forwards, I hope that we are looking for a Pods type who is in their mid to late 20's who we can put on the list for 3-5 years while our current crop of developing forwards finish off their development.

Less pressure on them to come running out at 19-20 years of age and be as good as someone 4-6 years older than them.

 

[Mailman]

I'm not sure why we'd bother trading for Garlett, to be honest.

Stick to the draft where we are every chance to pick some up just as good as him, if not better.

Id say the main reason why would be because you are pushing for a Premiership from next year and not in 5 years. He is about the right age bracket and would be cheap.

 

[qldbluesman_43]

Instead of looking to draft an inside mid maybe we should try to reinvent some of our present players into inside mids. It's worked well with Yarran, Henderson and Walker - so why not try it with someone like Russell. Laidler, Tuohy, Duigan and Yarran seem to be ahead of Russell down back so give him a new challenge, see if he can rise to it. If not, we've still got Curnow, Mclean and Ellard, any of whom may be able to rise that extra bit we need.

 

[Dramoth]

especially WAYNE HUGHES, who for 3 drafts 2007-2008-2009 did not even look at recruiting kpp of any sort !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! this is not counting KREUZER, who is a ruckman and a number 1 pick and could not be ignored. we have lost finals because we have nobody who can be relied on to kick 4-5 goals like other teams above us, since FEV left. i think that HAMPSON was playing well before his injury and should be kept, because he can play in the ruck and up forward. i also think that THORNTON has been very handy for the team this year as a swingman and should be kept as well...i was not his biggest fan in the past, but he has been there when others have been missing and done the job. we may have won if he had not got injured last night. the WESTERN BULLDOGS have proven that a team cannot rely on smalls to win big finals for a team, and we rely on that as well. the seeds of this loss were sown back in 2007 like i said, and it was only last draft that CARLTON told HUGHES to pull his head in and pick KPP, but 3 years too late!!!!!!!!!!!!!! some people think you should stick strong with everything CARLTON,but our lack of tall marking power goes way back and AUSTIN & BOWER have done nothing to change this. most teams recruit a bit of everything ( as in kpp,mids,rucks,and flankers ) each draft, but not CARLTON !!! It seems that our recruiters take 3-4 of the same type each year, and i am sick to death of them doing that rubbish !!! looks like another long summer of soul searching for the MIGHTY BLUES. we can only hope that the cats can stop the MAGGOTS from equalling our number of premierships this season...........can you imagine them if they win it again...........WHAT A NIGHTMARE !!! EDDIE would rub it in all summer !!!:

I would suggest that you leave your bullshit rant for the bay... and while you are at it, learn what an ellipse is, correct punctuation and paragraphing. I havent even bothered to read the bullshit dribble you have written here because the first line started making my eyes bleed.

And because it was staring me in the face while I was writing this, I will answer your bullshit dribble about Eddie Everywhere. He will equal us on 16 premierships this year IF they manage to beat the cats. We beat them to 16 premierships so we have the bragging rights there. All they can do is say we caught you and have equaled your record number of premierships, just like Essendon have done.

Eddie Everywhere can try and rub it in all summer long and I am sure that he will be rubbing something but we can point to 1995 and say thats when we reached 16... Essendon reached it 2000.

If they beat us to 17, then I will be most pissed off at the club and I will be hoping that the club has some sort of plan in place to win back to backs and get to 18 first.

Now... I will suggest that, if you are an adult, you contact the education department of whatever state you are in and ask for a refund on your education because you clearly never learnt proper english while in school. And if you are still in school, I would suggest that you attend your english classes because you are really in need of learning proper grammar and punctuation.

 

[Jeremias]

Id say the main reason why would be because you are pushing for a Premiership from next year and not in 5 years. He is about the right age bracket and would be cheap.

I still can't see the point.

We drafted Curnow in last years rookie draft and he showed early on this season a fair bit more than Garlett has in a number of years at senior level.

Robinson and Ellard both developed really nicely this year in the role we'd be recruiting Garlett for.

I just don't see a need for us to be trading for him. We've got better options than him and I'd be confindent in our ability to find better options in the lower leagues.

 

[laminex]

No need to draft an inside mid, Robbo will become an inside mid next year and Walker showed his inside work is great.

 

[Patron]

Couple wce players that could probably be of some assistance to you guys who could be traded for the right offer would be Mitch brown (KPD who can play KPF if needed), Kobe Stevens (big bodied young inside mid), Callum Wilson (Genuine KPF option).
Mitch brown would probably be pretty expeno pick 20 or higher/equivalent player. We are shortish on young KPD depth so you would have to offer something good for him.
Stevens is so unlucky not to be getting a game would probably require your first rounder possibly less if he wanted to go home.
Callum Wilson you could get him for next to nothing if he is delisted by us or requests a trade would be a great option for you guys on the cheap. Better than Setanta and thornton IMO.

 

[KnaveyBlue]

Players that we should look at trading for the right deal.

Bower
Russell
Hampson
McLean
Davies
Armfield
Lucas

Yep, clubs would be falling over themselves to gain his services after his effort in the Semi.

 

[Dramoth]

Yep, clubs would be falling over themselves to gain his services after his effort in the Semi.

You never know... one of the new clubs might be looking at someone to fill the hole for a couple of years while one of their young stars finishes developing. And then retaining him as depth for a couple more years.

At the best, I think that Davies is nothing more than a depth player at the club. Has shown some good things, but at this point of his development (2 years on the list I think), hasnt made any serious improvements and is fighting it out with Duigan and Laidler for a position on the HBF. He has all the tools according to Blueseum, but hasnt shown anything as yet. Maybe another year will see him fighting it out with Duigs for his spot. Or maybe they are tee'ing him up as a backup for Gibbs if Gibbs goes down with a LTI.

A couple of mistakes doesnt define a career (points in case, Russell, Bower and Kennedy) and if he comes good and can snatch a spot in front of one of the others, all well and good to him. But atm, he is just depth for us.

 

[The_Wookie]

well you can take hampson and armfield off that list now too by the look of things. No way you do a 3 year contract for a dude your going to trade in a few weeks.

 

[Becc73]

well you can take hampson and armfield off that list now too by the look of things. No way you do a 3 year contract for a dude your going to trade in a few weeks.

Shame about that. Hampson for Dawes (straight swap) would have been win win for both Carlton & Collingwood. Pies need an up and coming 2nd ruck option with Leigh Brown retiring and we need a power forward. Win Win I would have thought, both around about the same age and development.