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[JasRulz63]

All they need to do is administer the CoL from AFL House. Sydney should still need to meet the minimum 95% of the standard salary cap for established clubs then the AFL adds 9.8% to each contract individually.

What's stopping Sydney offering players (not on the minimum wage) what they're worth less ~10%, knowing that those players will get the CoL on top bringing them up to what they'd pay them anyway. This leaves the ~10% to chase someone like a Tippett.

e.g. player A and B are both worth 330k. Adelaide for example offers player A 330k, while Sydney offers player B 300k knowing CoL will bring him up to 330k. Both players get what they're worth (330k) but leaves Sydney with another 30k in the salary cap.

 

[finn]

What's stopping Sydney offering players (not on the minimum wage) what they're worth less ~10%, knowing that those players will get the CoL on top bringing them up to what they'd pay them anyway. This leaves the ~10% to chase someone like a Tippett.

e.g. player A and B are both worth 330k. Adelaide for example offers player A 330k, while Sydney offers player B 300k knowing CoL will bring him up to 330k. Both players get what they're worth (330k) but leaves Sydney with another 30k in the salary cap.

Because Sydney have to make the minimum salary level of 95% as do all clubs - the allowance is then added to these baseline figures. They've then got the (maximum) 5% space to use to top up contracts and fit new players in as necessary.

 

[xchadders]

Condiment discussion to fire things up?

Dijon or normal mustard?

Soooooo...what do you think about sauce?

as discussed on page whatever, im a fridge man when it comes to sauce.
only after opening, of course.

dijon is better than normal mustard. but only on hotdogs.

 

[SpeciousArgument]

What's stopping Sydney offering players (not on the minimum wage) what they're worth less ~10%, knowing that those players will get the CoL on top bringing them up to what they'd pay them anyway. This leaves the ~10% to chase someone like a Tippett.

e.g. player A and B are both worth 330k. Adelaide for example offers player A 330k, while Sydney offers player B 300k knowing CoL will bring him up to 330k. Both players get what they're worth (330k) but leaves Sydney with another 30k in the salary cap.

the player and their manager would know that theyre worth 330k +10% in Sydney, and if the cost of living in sydney REALLY is 9% higher than anywhere else the player would know they are worse off and all other things being equal head to Adelaide

 

[Crowked]

the player and their manager would know that theyre worth 330k +10% in Sydney, and if the cost of living in sydney REALLY is 9% higher than anywhere else the player would know they are worse off and all other things being equal head to Adelaide

It does cost more. However the players, particular the higher paid players dont spend all of their salary on the cost of living items. I'd suggest they'd be lucky to spend $50K pa. on actual cost of living items, The rest would be spent on luxury items, investments or just saved in a bank. IMO 9% of their entire salary per person is massive overs. Its time for it to go.

 

[SpeciousArgument]

It does cost more. However the players, particular the higher paid players dont spend all of their salary on the cost of living items. I'd suggest they'd be lucky to spend $50K pa. on actual cost of living items, The rest would be spent on luxury items, investments or just saved in a bank. IMO 9% of their entire salary per person is massive overs. Its time for it to go.

i dont disagree with you but i was responding to the specific circumstances in the example given.

I havent seen anything that indicates costs are higher in any other area than real estate/rental, and i can see this being an issue for rookies/players on low wages, but as has been said before once youre in the market youre in the market.

If COL is genuinely about equity in purchasing power why not CPI the salary cap for each club individually. Perth has gotten expensive from what i hear

 

[PykeDream]

If COL is genuinely about equity in purchasing power why not CPI the salary cap for each club individually. Perth has gotten expensive from what i hear

Won't affect West Coast, all their players are holed up in crack dens in Parmelia

 

[jenny61_99]

It does cost more. However the players, particular the higher paid players dont spend all of their salary on the cost of living items. I'd suggest they'd be lucky to spend $50K pa. on actual cost of living items, The rest would be spent on luxury items, investments or just saved in a bank. IMO 9% of their entire salary per person is massive overs. Its time for it to go.

I've said it before, I'll say it again, once you are earning over $200k - cost of living is irrelevant. If you can't live on that amount, you are doing it wrong!

 

[magtrev]

cost of living is just an excuse for giving them more money. The AFL know it makes absolutely no sense for guys on hundreds of thousands of dollars but they needed a reason to allow them to spend a truckload more money on salary after collingwood started whinging during brisbanes dominance.

QLD and NSW being competitive and winning lots is better for their bottom line.

The bottom line is more important than the integrity of the competition.

FIN

QED

 

[Loyal Lion]

I've said it before, I'll say it again, once you are earning over $200k - cost of living is irrelevant. If you can't live on that amount, you are doing it wrong!

Yere but the cost of surf boards in Sydney are VERY VERY expensive...

 

[Archie87]

I've said it before, I'll say it again, once you are earning over $200k - cost of living is irrelevant. If you can't live on that amount, you are doing it wrong!

Exactly

The "9% extra cost of living" argument is only relevant for people on an "average" wage.

Now, feel free to call me out if I have made an idiot of myself with my calculations and assumptions BUT:

A quick Google search tells me the average wage is around $70,000 a year in Australia. That means the
9% CoL allowance is suggesting a person in Sydney needs to earn around $76,300 a year to be on equal footing with the rest of the country. That's fine, I can accept that argument. BUT let's say Adam Goodes is earning $700k a year (pre CoL)... no one can tell me the cost of living is so high for Adam that he needs to earn $763K a year to be on equal footing with an AFL footballer living elsewhere on $700k.

If they must have a CoL for Sydney players, how about one thats a specific DOLLAR value and not a percentage which is warped by higher salaries? E.g. The AFL looks at the costs of a reasonable "basket" of goods and services including food, transport, electricity, housing, etc and then works out the exact dollar amount of how much extra the average person in Sydney pays for that "basket" compared to everyone else in Australia. If the basket of goods costs $6,300 extra per year like my above example for the "average" person, that exact dollar amount would go on top of the wages of all players at Sydney.

 

[Jarmayhem]

as discussed on page whatever, im a fridge man when it comes to sauce.
only after opening, of course.

dijon is better than normal mustard. but only on hotdogs.

Was the beauty of whole grain mustard discussed?

 

[arsene wenger1]

I've said it before, I'll say it again, once you are earning over $200k - cost of living is irrelevant. If you can't live on that amount, you are doing it wrong!

F***** amen to that.....if I was a swans or Brisbane supporter that advantage would be in the back of my mind after winning a premiership

 

[Vader]

Cost of Living is mostly relevant to those on lower wages. For this reason I would have no problem at all for the AFL to supplement the salary of all Sydney players on contracts <$100k (or even $150k) to account for it. There is no justification at all for a CoL allowance to apply to a player earning upwards of $500k per year - that's just obscene.

 

[SpeciousArgument]

Exactly

The "9% extra cost of living" argument is only relevant for people on an "average" wage.

Now, feel free to call me out if I have made an idiot of myself with my calculations and assumptions BUT:

A quick Google search tells me the average wage is around $70,000 a year in Australia. That means the
9% CoL allowance is suggesting a person in Sydney needs to earn around $76,300 a year to be on equal footing with the rest of the country. That's fine, I can accept that argument. BUT let's say Adam Goodes is earning $700k a year (pre CoL)... no one can tell me the cost of living is so high for Adam that he needs to earn $763K a year to be on equal footing with an AFL footballer living elsewhere on $700k.

If they must have a CoL for Sydney players, how about one thats a specific DOLLAR value and not a percentage which is warped by higher salaries? E.g. The AFL looks at the costs of a reasonable "basket" of goods and services including food, transport, electricity, housing, etc and then works out the exact dollar amount of how much extra the average person in Sydney pays for that "basket" compared to everyone else in Australia. If the basket of goods costs $6,300 extra per year like my above example for the "average" person, that exact dollar amount would go on top of the wages of all players at Sydney.

I think the point (and i dont necessarily agree with it) is purchasing power

To live in a 4 bedroom 2 bathroom costs X% more in sydney than in adelaide therefore a player in adelaide will pay less for the same house and have more left over or spend the same and live in a nicer house. so that the swans arent disadvantaged by factors beyond their control they get +9% on their cap

 

[headache1]

I think the point (and i dont necessarily agree with it) is purchasing power

To live in a 4 bedroom 2 bathroom costs X% more in sydney than in adelaide therefore a player in adelaide will pay less for the same house and have more left over or spend the same and live in a nicer house. so that the swans arent disadvantaged by factors beyond their control they get +9% on their cap

They also own a more valuable asset at the end of it.

 

[SpeciousArgument]

They also own a more valuable asset at the end of it.

which is part of the reason i dont agree with it

 

[Schulzycrow]

Mick doesn't think Tippett is worth $1 mil a year...he would be among the majority now...going to be interesting what the merc gets in the end..other than a lifetime of booing from crows fans.
http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/mick-...-is-not-worth-1m/story-e6frea6u-1226507002310

 

[JP Sauce]

as discussed on page whatever, im a fridge man when it comes to sauce.
only after opening, of course.

dijon is better than normal mustard. but only on hotdogs.

Yeah we definitely had a condiment discussion over a couple of pages, way back when.

My sauce stays in the cupboard after opening as I don't like cold sauce on things. And I should know a thing or two about sauce! Get it? Hahahahahahahahaha!

Not a massive fan of mustard in general, although Dijon > normal.

 

[Nesqua]

Mick doesn't think Tippett is worth $1 mil a year...he would be among the majority now...going to be interesting what the merc gets in the end..other than a lifetime of booing from crows fans.
http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/mick-...-is-not-worth-1m/story-e6frea6u-1226507002310

Not sure it'll just be Crows fans booing the moron, especially if the AFL opens up ALL clubs books for a looksee just to be sure....

 

[Roo Lives Again]

I was going to post this on the swans board but decided against it.

I reckon they are working feverishly behind the scenes to do a Luke ball. They'll be trying to moving as much cap back as they can so kurt can nominate 2 years at $2.4m. Of course there will need to be a handshake agreement where kurt will play last couple of years at $800k.

Now, don't pass this over to their board. I'm a damn sight more popular there than here. They even like my dog over there.

and probably an even bigger obstacle for other teams will be skirt's attitude...he'll sook and tell every other club he only wants to play for sydney.....if he does a real pout as I'm sure he's capable the other teams will be so put off by his 3 year old demeanor that they'll let him go....

 

[BrissyCrow]

Cost of Living is mostly relevant to those on lower wages. For this reason I would have no problem at all for the AFL to supplement the salary of all Sydney players on contracts <$100k (or even $150k) to account for it. There is no justification at all for a CoL allowance to apply to a player earning upwards of $500k per year - that's just obscene.

Agreed. I know workers in Sydney who get $250K a year and they can afford to buy a $1.4m house and live comfortably. Players on $300K -$500K should be easily able to afford most houses including the North Shore. And if it does a little more think of the investment for the future.

I dont believe there is any real justification for a COL allowance for these players.

 

[Donkey Magoo]

I know that a lot of the talk is about our list as a whole, but just how much will Kurt's departure effect our best 22.

As I see it, Dogga and KT come out, and Brad Crouch goes in, with the final spot going to either Smack , Jerka, Lynch or Johnson.
I liked what I saw out of jerka, and I think he can at lest do the roll that KT did up the ground.
He will be a loss with his contested marks and ruck work, but I think the forward setup had already become the Tex Walker show, if we can get the right supporting cast I don't think we will skip a beat.

 

[boffo]

OK, dug up the figures below, which makes me think the COL is a bit more bullish!t by the Vlad the Master Manipulator to give Sydney and GWS an advantage. Wouldn't be because that is the big potential market he wants to crack would it?

On these figures WCE and Freo should be getting any COL allowance.

But I agree with the common sense of Jenny and other posters:
- have a modest set amount for players under $100k (or $150k) per year contracts
- have this approved for each case by the AFL and administered by the AFL
- Sydney and GWS to have the same salary cap as all other clubs.


Median weekly rent of 3-bedroom houses, by capital city
Source: Real Estate Institute of Australia

September 2009

Sydney $360
Melbourne $310
Brisbane $340
Adelaide $295
Perth $365


If players wanted to rent more than a 3 bedroom house in a fancy suburb then that is their decision. They're big boys on big money.

 

[headache1]

They justify it by saying that the players should be able to live within 20 minutes away from where they train or something like that. I suppose that works for the Swans, but is Blacktown really that expensive?