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[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

Not at all. I have a genuine belief he is just an average player whether he is ours or not.

You have told me he is a very good player and ive asked for some thing to back that up ....I don't think there is anything other than potential. As TSR correctly observes he has dominated a handful of games only.

He is incredibly overrated. Sydney have paid that money only because of the rarity of players in his positiion and of course..potential.

Why is there a rarity of players in his position?

Also are you continuing with your theory that Sydney are a stupid, poorly run football club?

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

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I'm not suggesting anything in relation to the Swans admin. I will however suggest Tippett is not a very good player. Hes not. And the record proves he's not a very good player.

You are actually.

By suggesting Tippett is not a very good player on one hand, that straight away suggests that the Swans - by recruiting him and making him their highest paid player - are stupid and don't know what they are doing. Why would they spend top dollar on an average player?

It's an... interesting theory.

 

[Tex200]

You are actually.

By suggesting Tippett is not a very good player on one hand, that straight away suggests that the Swans - by recruiting him and making him their highest paid player - are stupid and don't know what they are doing. Why would they spend top dollar on an average player?

It's an... interesting theory.

Conversely it seems your only argument that he is a very good player rests with Sydneys decision.

In any event what i have done is ask for some evidence that hes a very good player and thus far no one has provided any. It seems all you can rely on is sydneys decision. Also an interesting theory.

I doubt you can be objective right now as you attitude to AFC continues to be like a spurned lover.

 

[Tex200]

Why is there a rarity of players in his position?

Also are you continuing with your theory that Sydney are a stupid, poorly run football club?

Just because they are paying well over the odds, which I can safely say is generally agreed, does not mean they are stupid or poorly run. It's a pretty ridiculous connection.

 

[The Sloane Ranger]

He nearly did in last years preliminary final.

He's a difficult one to assess, really. He's definitely better than Kosy, whoever is sprouting that shite is just sucking on sour grapes and has developed a severe confirmation bias. He's an aggressive monster who can play forward and ruck, and occasionally he dominates. He's 25 now and the bastard will probably hit his straps at Sydney.

I think the comparison to Kosi is based on that Tipoett risks being assessed as one of the AFL's most over paid & over rated players which is fair enough in books

Tippett will now go to Sydney with even greater expectations than he had at Adelaide & if you listen to Roo Kurt really struggled with the weight of expectation so how does he mature over night to not only now manage the expectations of his new club but now the additional industry spot light he has now cast upon himself

The issue that I have always had with Tippett and his asking price is that the quality games like he played against Essendon (ES) and Hawthorn (Prelim) are too few and far between and in between those games we had to put up with too many games like ge played against Syd & Richmond in the minor round & again Sydney and Freo in the finals

Personally I don't share the confidence that he will break out and hit his straps, in my view he is a extremely risky buy at the $3.55m price and the real threat is that the performance trend will continue

 

[Wright Away]

He nearly did in last years preliminary final.

He's a difficult one to assess, really. He's definitely better than Kosy, whoever is sprouting that shite is just sucking on sour grapes and has developed a severe confirmation bias. He's an aggressive monster who can play forward and ruck, and occasionally he dominates. He's 25 now and the bastard will probably hit his straps at Sydney.

I'm sure the Sydney boys will get behind him and he'll be on the bottom of packs in no time.

 

[Tex200]

I think the comparison to Kosi is based on that Tipoett risks being assessed as one of the AFL's most over paid & over rated players which is fair enough in books

Tippett will now go to Sydney with even greater expectations than he had at Adelaide & if you listen to Roo Kurt really struggled with the weight of expectation so how does he mature over night to not only now manage the expectations of his new club but now the additional industry spot light he has now cast upon himself

The issue that I have always had with Tippett and his asking price is that the quality games like he played against Essendon (ES) and Hawthorn (Prelim) are too few and far between and in between those games we had to put up with too many games like ge played against Syd & Richmond in the minor round & again Sydney and Freo in the finals

Personally I don't share the confidence that he will break out and hit his straps, in my view he is a extremely risky buy at the $3.55m price and the real threat is that the performance trend will continue

Agree with this entirely.

Potentially he is a super star. We too often would see him dominate a qtr only to then disappear. Rarely did he dominate a game. He gets big money based on potential ....did with us ......and continues to do so.

 

[The Sloane Ranger]

Agree with this entirely.

Potentially he is a super star. We too often would see him dominate a qtr only to then disappear. Rarely did he dominate a game. He gets big money based on potential ....did with us ......and continues to do so.

IMO the real challenge for Kurt is to turn that Prelim game into his baseline game and this should be the expectation given his salary, however at present that Prelim game is the exception to the norm and this won't be accepted by the Swan's faithful

 

[*PAF]

Agree with this entirely.

Potentially he is a super star. We too often would see him dominate a qtr only to then disappear. Rarely did he dominate a game. He gets big money based on potential ....did with us ......and continues to do so.

Finally understood what you're on about.
If a player is not a superstar then he must be a dud.

Is Tippett worth a large contract? According to this he is.

 

[Don Muraco]

Tippett will be Sydneys Andy Carroll.

 

[Elite Crow]

IMO the real challenge for Kurt is to turn that Prelim game into his baseline game and this should be the expectation given his salary, however at present that Prelim game is the exception to the norm and this won't be accepted by the Swan's faithful

He won't get to play on Shoenmakers every week.

Interesting in that game,Tex and Tippett both kicked 4, but Tex actually played on a quality defender.

 

[Godallblighty]

Not at all. I have a genuine belief he is just an average player whether he is ours or not.

You have told me he is a very good player and ive asked for some thing to back that up ....I don't think there is anything other than potential. As TSR correctly observes he has dominated a handful of games only.

He is incredibly overrated. Sydney have paid that money only because of the rarity of players in his positiion and of course..potential.

I don't disagree with a lot of what you say, except perhaps your final judgement. You're right, he hasn't dominated games with any kind of reliability - but he does have an influence that goes beyond his individual stats. Sure, his goals-per-game average could be higher but he's a terrific mark who always competes and works hard at ground level. His second and third efforts are to be admired. Equally important is his structural impact. You might say it has little to do with his skills as a player but his height and marking ability means you can build a forward line around him. He makes a player like Callinan for instance better just by being there. Even a fellow tall like Reid is going to love having him in the forward line with him. Moreover, he brings flexibility with the ruck. Perhaps a 'valuable' player is a term we can agree on?

 

[Tex200]

I don't disagree with a lot of what you say, except perhaps your final judgement. You're right, he hasn't dominated games with any kind of reliability - but he does have an influence that goes beyond his individual stats. Sure, his goals-per-game average could be higher but he's a terrific mark who always competes and works hard at ground level. His second and third efforts are to be admired. Equally important is his structural impact. You might say it has little to do with his skills as a player but his height and marking ability means you can build a forward line around him. He makes a player like Callinan for instance better just by being there. Even a fellow tall like Reid is going to love having him in the forward line with him. Moreover, he brings flexibility with the ruck. Perhaps a 'valuable' player is a term we can agree on?

Lol....had thought of the term valuable player myself. In the interests of letting this go and given the cricket is looking ok.....valuable player will do.

 

[Tex200]

Finally understood what you're on about.
If a player is not a superstar then he must be a dud.

Is Tippett worth a large contract? According to this he is.[/
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All you can manage is sniping and taking comments out of context. If you cant make any kind of logical argument as others have done then I can only conclude you have no argument to make .

 

[The Sloane Ranger]

Godallblighty

All comes down to a club what do you expect in return on your $3.55m investment, peronally i blieve that this type of coin puts you on the top shelf of players in the comp and as a result you need to perform accordingly and in comparison to those players on similar contracts

It could also be argued that Talia, Truck & Jacobs all influence games beyond their stats and all 3 are more consistent performers however none will ever get close to that $3.5m / 4 year contract

is Kurt a valuable player the answer is a obvious yes, however should a $3.5m / 4 year contract change the level of expectation the answer to that question is also yes

The unanswered question is will Kurt live up to the $3.5m price tag in comparison to his peers on similar contracts, I have my doubts, Kurt to me is the Mitchell Johnson of footy, flashes of brilliance with plenty of meh in between

 

[*PAF]

All you can manage is sniping and taking comments out of context. If you cant make any kind of logical argument as others have done then I can only conclude you have no argument to make .

If you had clicked the link you would have seen there is an argument to made.

The link was about supply and demand.
If you want a 25 Year old 202 cm 104 kg mobile CHF that has scored 188 Goals in 104 games as well as being more than just a pinch hitting ruckman than you can bet your bottom dollar you will need to pay big money for his signature as every club wants one and there are very very few around.
Has Sydney paid more than he is worth? Probably but they did it to scare off other suitors and as they had room in the cap to do it then why not?
Yes we all know that they could have spent the same amount of money on two players instead of one but why if they don't need them whereas they do need someone like Tippett?
Will it work out?
Who knows but probably yes as both Sydney's style and the size of the ground would suit his game. His downfall is his goal kicking but in Sydney (ground and game style) he should be both closer and in a straighter line to goal.

Is someone like Sloane perhaps a better player? Answer would be yes, but he is not worth as much to buy as there are plenty about.

Is a $1M supercar worth the money? If you have cash to spare of course it is, if you don't have the spare cash no it isn't.

 

[The Big Sauce]

PAF & Spackler are spot on here.

If Sydney only tried to pay 'market value' then someone out of the other 17 clubs will beat them to the punch.

They paid overs so that no one else gets a bargain. He is certainly worth that price to them anyway.

Sam Reid gets the second (or third best if they double team Kurt) defender.

Adam Goodes is free to pay that damaging role on the ball that he did in the Elimination Final against us.

It basically turns the one area of the ground which they were 'average' in to a top 5-6 forward line easily.

Is it worth $1m a season to fix the one area of the ground you need to improve?

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

Conversely it seems your only argument that he is a very good player rests with Sydneys decision.

In any event what i have done is ask for some evidence that hes a very good player and thus far no one has provided any. It seems all you can rely on is sydneys decision. Also an interesting theory.

I doubt you can be objective right now as you attitude to AFC continues to be like a spurned lover.

Sydney's decision is enough. Whatever his stats/achievements are, we've seen what it adds up to in their mind.

Oh, and we were offering him $750k+ as well.

I assume you think the AFC are a useless organisation with no ability to judge player quality too?

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

Just because they are paying well over the odds, which I can safely say is generally agreed, does not mean they are stupid or poorly run. It's a pretty ridiculous connection.

No, that is exactly what it means. It cannot possibly be any other way. If you don't like it, it means your premise is wrong.

Clubs who make poor decisions achieve poor results.

Like Sydney.

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

IMO the real challenge for Kurt is to turn that Prelim game into his baseline game and this should be the expectation given his salary, however at present that Prelim game is the exception to the norm and this won't be accepted by the Swan's faithful

Ok, so he just needs to become the best player in the history of the game?

 

[Tex200]

Sydney's decision is enough. Whatever his stats/achievements are, we've seen what it adds up to in their mind.

Oh, and we were offering him $750k+ as well.

I assume you think the AFC are a useless organisation with no ability to judge player quality too?

So 17 other clubs who did not pick up tippett are stupid and poorly run clubs. Ok

 

[Tex200]

Ok, so he just needs to become the best player in the history of the game?

Your just being irrational.

 

[*PAF]

So 17 other clubs who did not pick up tippett are stupid and poorly run clubs. Ok

GWS, AFC, Brisbane, Sydney and a few Melbourne clubs did want Tippett.
Sydney beat them to the punch and there are many reasons why they wanted to.

Question for you: How much more are Sydney paying for Tippett than Adelaide were prepared to pay?

 

[DREAM TEAM BUFF]

Tippett will be Sydneys Andy Carroll.

Or Fernando Torres

 

[cmndstab]

Your just being irrational.

No, I think he's pretty much on the money. People see four or five goal games as the baseline of what is acceptable for an elite player, in addition to some ruckwork while we're at it. It's just not realistic.

Until his concussion, Tippett's formline was to have above average games with exceptional games sprinkled in. The way people talk about him, it seems like they believe that his formline was close to dismal games with acceptable games sprinkled in.

It's no different than the people who say that "one goal per quarter should be the minimum acceptable level when that's ALL YOU'RE BEING PAID TO DO". Admirable thought but completely unrealistic.