Tom Boyd

[saintsrule]

Paddy McCartin is 20 and shows heaps more promise than Boyd. Peter Gordon and his cash rule at Western Bulldogs.

 

[Mofra]

Yeah but when you throw in Shane Birss too you go way too far

Shame about Luke Penny though, he was shaping up like he could have been anything, him and Hudghton were a dynamic combo for a short time.

yeah injuries are terrible (and Bulldog supporters know all too well).

Always liked Birss, gave 100% every time he took the field. Suffered from depression in silence during his AFL career but 'came out' when he went back to the SANFL and was widely respected over in SA too.

 

[NathanMX]

yeah injuries are terrible (and Bulldog supporters know all too well).

Always liked Birss, gave 100% every time he took the field. Suffered from depression in silence during his AFL career but 'came out' when he went back to the SANFL and was widely respected over in SA too.

Actually did not mind Shane that much, did not mind another ring in we got from another club either, Aaron Fiora, though think we alot more for him then we did for Birss.
Not sure if we have sent anyone good back your way in recent memory if ever though? I see you got Jordan Roughead with the pick you got for Farren Ray, we gave you pick 17 (Cameron Faulkner, who?) for Luke Penny too.

 

[Mofra]

Actually did not mind Shane that much, did not mind another ring in we got from another club either, Aaron Fiora, though think we alot more for him then we did for Birss.
Not sure if we have sent anyone good back your way in recent memory if ever though? I see you got Jordan Roughead with the pick you got for Farren Ray, we gave you pick 17 (Cameron Faulkner, who?) for Luke Penny too.

Nicky Winmar for a year?

Cam Faulkner was one of Clayton's special 700 or so first round picks that never made it - didn't help that Clayton declared him the second coming of Andrew McLeod and Cam could do anything on the football field except actually received the ball without fumbling it.

 

[NathanMX]

Nicky Winmar for a year?

Cam Faulkner was one of Clayton's special 700 or so first round picks that never made it - didn't help that Clayton declared him the second coming of Andrew McLeod and Cam could do anything on the football field except actually received the ball without fumbling it.

Hard to believe you picked Farren Ray at 4, Richmond picked Aaron Fiora at 3 and you both found a team who were suckers enough to take them both

Although getting a former number 3 draft pick for Heath Black wasnt the worst deal we have made nor the trade of draft picks either for Farren.

And Nicky hey, gee seems like it has all been one way traffic, but heck in a few years we may send a former number 3 draft pick back your way to try and even things a little

 

[Big Sim is Back]

Lure the guy with big money (the only reason he would have went specifically there) then expect him to take a pay cut.

Sure.

And heap more pressure on him in order to take the pressure off. Sure.

Trust Luke Everywhere-and-into-everything Darcy to stir the pot, toss pot that he is.

 

[NathanMX]

And heap more pressure on him in order to take the pressure off. Sure.

Trust Luke Everywhere-and-into-everything Darcy to stir the pot, toss pot that he is.

Although the media are flogs heck if it meant getting Michael Hurley to the club I would probably give up 10% of my salary too.

 

[Ricmel]

You're insinuating that it's the club putting pressure on him, when in reality it's just former players who would have no insight into the Dogs' salary cap structure or Boyd's actual contract.
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Totally agree. Moody has had a brain fart and frankly, to suggest that it is Tom Boyd's responsibility or moral duty to make room for Hurley is ludicrous. First it is way to early to make judgements about Boyd's output, second the Doggies horrendous run of injuries should not be a reason that Boyd needs to "hurry up and develop".

Dogs know what they are doing and so far it is working. Maybe the injuries will mean 2016 is not their year but they should take the 5 year view, not panic because the club had one particularly bad night.

 

[LeverPuller]

A pay cut. Lord give me strength. This is all on the club. They waved the golden ticket. It's not up to Tom to fix something they did. FWIW I'd do the deal again every day of the week, but calls for the player to fix this are frankly insulting. What poor journalism.

I agree.

There's a little bit of the bizarro going on here. The pressure is not unusual - look at the scrutiny that Watts (and before him Goddard) copped. The Melbourne media loves to shit on #1 draft picks, and Boyd is the first one in Melbourne since Scully took his $6mil and ran. Up until then it was Watts, and before him Goddard. Scully would have had the same if he stayed at the MFC.

But the Dogs and Gordon amplified it by $7million. If he was on $750k we would not have the same criticism. But none of that is his fault.

Is it his fault for not performing? Yes. Is it his fault that the Dogs gave him $7million? No. Criticize him for his footy, but Gordon and the club should be wearing it for the contract. The pressure should not be on Boyd for it.

 

[Blue1980]

I agree.

There's a little bit of the bizarro going on here. The pressure is not unusual - look at the scrutiny that Watts (and before him Goddard) copped. The Melbourne media loves to shit on #1 draft picks, and Boyd is the first one in Melbourne since Scully took his $6mil and ran. Up until then it was Watts, and before him Goddard. Scully would have had the same if he stayed at the MFC.

But the Dogs and Gordon amplified it by $7million. If he was on $750k we would not have the same criticism. But none of that is his fault.

Is it his fault for not performing? Yes. Is it his fault that the Dogs gave him $7million? No. Criticize him for his footy, but Gordon and the club should be wearing it for the contract. The pressure should not be on Boyd for it.

Their is Weitering now, who has been excellent thus far, but if he doesn't become a Matthew Scarlett type full back he will probably get criticized soon enough

 

[Wooffa]

Paddy McCartin is 20 and shows heaps more promise than Boyd. Peter Gordon and his cash rule at Western Bulldogs.

Yer Paddy has really on the set on fire so far. Hes dominated and won games of his own boot. Thats what we expect from key forwards in their third seasons. They should be winning games for their club otherwise they are crap and should be let go.

 

[GetDimmaBack]

Totally agree. Moody has had a brain fart and frankly, to suggest that it is Tom Boyd's responsibility or moral duty to make room for Hurley is ludicrous. First it is way to early to make judgements about Boyd's output, second the Doggies horrendous run of injuries should not be a reason that Boyd needs to "hurry up and develop".

Dogs know what they are doing and so far it is working. Maybe the injuries will mean 2016 is not their year but they should take the 5 year view, not panic because the club had one particularly bad night.

This.

Media sticks to it's stories despite the facts in most cases.

Dogs members know that the reason we paid much of Griffen's salary was because it was the way to pay 92.5% of the salary cap (after the movements of Griff, Higgins and Cooney who were on pretty good cash). We were way under.

Boyd's salary is being heavily front loaded (again, salary cap room), and will drop substantially when other young stars are ready for renewal.

Can anyone believe that the club hadn't worked this out in advance?

Well, the media doesn't get it - or chooses to ignore it.



Never let the truth stand in the way of a sensationalist article.

 

[The_Flying_Egg]

Paddy McCartin is 20 and shows heaps more promise than Boyd. Peter Gordon and his cash rule at Western Bulldogs.

On Footywire u can compare Boyd to McCartin from the same age:

McCartin 7.8 disposals and 1.1 goals per game
Boyd 8.2 disposals and 1.1 goals per game

Career:
McCartin: 8.4 disposals and .9 goals per game
Boyd: 8.0 disposals and 1 goal per game

Yet you look here and McCartin is a future superstar and Boyd is the worste player ever. McCartin has never kicked more than 2 goals in a game before and he's a safe bet ... but Boyd is a dud ...

I think McCartin will be a star ... but its harsh for people to just dismiss Boyd entirely

 

[saintsrule]

Yer Paddy has really on the set on fire so far. Hes dominated and won games of his own boot. Thats what we expect from key forwards in their third seasons. They should be winning games for their club otherwise they are crap and should be let go.

Did I say that peanut? All I'm suggesting is that Paddy McCartin in his second year is showing more promise than Tom Boyd is in his third. Nor is Paddy on a long term multi million dollar deal. There is a significant disconnect between the terms of Boyd's contract and his performance.

You have to ask how is this situation going to affect contract negotiations with Bontempelli, Stringer et al in the near future. Will they be happy to accept less money than they would get elsewhere, just to prop up Boyd's contract?

 

[Underdog]

Is it his fault for not performing? Yes. Is it his fault that the Dogs gave him $7million? No. Criticize him for his footy, but Gordon and the club should be wearing it for the contract. The pressure should not be on Boyd for it.

By what measure do we judge that? We, and the Bulldogs, don't have enough sample size to know whether he's performing. If the Bulldogs bought Zaharakis and his output dropped from 24.6 disposals to 19.5, you could attack him for lack of performance.

The fact that Boyd was a #1 pick and got money thrown at him is not really relevant to his actual ability.

 

[Underdog]

This.

Media sticks to it's stories despite the facts in most cases.

Dogs members know that the reason we paid much of Griffen's salary was because it was the way to pay 92.5% of the salary cap (after the movements of Griff, Higgins and Cooney who were on pretty good cash). We were way under.

Boyd's salary is being heavily front loaded (again, salary cap room), and will drop substantially when other young stars are ready for renewal.

Can anyone believe that the club hadn't worked this out in advance?

Well, the media doesn't get it - or chooses to ignore it.



Never let the truth stand in the way of a sensationalist article.

If you're not paying very close to 100% on your playing list, you're mismanaging your cap. If you're at the bottom floor, front-load contracts so you have more money available in future years. You don't get credits back for unused cap space.

EDIT: Debunked in below link

 

[ManOfClay]

If you're not paying very close to 100% on your playing list, you're mismanaging your cap. If you're at the bottom floor, front-load contracts so you have more money available in future years. You don't get credits back for unused cap space.

On this, I believe you do.

From The Age: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-ne...nded-exessendon-recruits-20160301-gn7ne6.html

"Under equalisation rules introduced in 2014, clubs can spend up to 105 per cent of their salary cap in any given season, provided they have underspent in any of the previous two years."

 

[Pannalstaroz]

Did I say that peanut? All I'm suggesting is that Paddy McCartin in his second year is showing more promise than Tom Boyd is in his third. Nor is Paddy on a long term multi million dollar deal. There is a significant disconnect between the terms of Boyd's contract and his performance.

You have to ask how is this situation going to affect contract negotiations with Bontempelli, Stringer et al in the near future. Will they be happy to accept less money than they would get elsewhere, just to prop up Boyd's contract?

We try so hard to get this thread out of the gutter and you take it straight back there. Go back and read the thread, all your propositions are answered in detail.

I'm a McCartin fan, but Boyd has had moments of brilliance too. Both have shown good and bad signs. Let's hope they're both good.

 

[Underdog]

On this, I believe you do.

From The Age: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-ne...nded-exessendon-recruits-20160301-gn7ne6.html

"Under equalisation rules introduced in 2014, clubs can spend up to 105 per cent of their salary cap in any given season, provided they have underspent in any of the previous two years."

I stand corrected. Cheers for the link

 

[ManOfClay]

I stand corrected. Cheers for the link

It doesn't seem to be a much-publicised clause in the cap. You can probably understand us Dogs fans have studied a bit given our situation re: cap space and doing the sums around the loading of Boyd's contract to time it with contracts of other players.

I understand Boyd is being paid quite handsomely this year and next so that he is not being paid as much by the time Bontempelli and Stringer et al come out of contract. But not completely certain, if rumours are true we are well in the hunt for Michael Hurley and I don't know how that would change things.


One thing is for certain: Jason McCartney isn'y doing his list managing at the Bulldogs on the back of a McDonald's napkin, as a lot of people on here seem to think.

 

[Brentmeister]

Bulldog fans sook and whinge more than any other fans on bigfooty when posters criticise their players. Is it a product of a small town team with no flags since the 60s? Strange.

 

[Pannalstaroz]

Bulldog fans sook and whinge more than any other fans on bigfooty when posters criticise their players. Is it a product of a small town team with no flags since the 60s? Strange.

What is wrong with you? What a weirdo.

 

[GetDimmaBack]

Did I say that peanut? All I'm suggesting is that Paddy McCartin in his second year is showing more promise than Tom Boyd is in his third. Nor is Paddy on a long term multi million dollar deal. There is a significant disconnect between the terms of Boyd's contract and his performance.

You have to ask how is this situation going to affect contract negotiations with Bontempelli, Stringer et al in the near future. Will they be happy to accept less money than they would get elsewhere, just to prop up Boyd's contract?

Bugger me, how many times does it need to be explained?

Boyd's contract is heavily front loaded.

When the others are due, he will be getting a heap less, and the others will be looked after well.

Two things:

1. Please read the 17,000 posts on FB explaining this.

2. Do the maths. Like the Dogs management have.

It's.Not.Hard.

 

[GetDimmaBack]

Bulldog fans sook and whinge more than any other fans on bigfooty when posters criticise their players. Is it a product of a small town team with no flags since the 60s? Strange.

Er, speaking of small towns, how's all the umm, cousins, Jim Bob?

 

[Brentmeister]

Er, speaking of small towns, how's all the umm, cousins, Jim Bob?

I live in Melbourne Besides, I think childish incest comments are best kept in the bay