Tom Boyd

[Pugz89]

I'd be surprised if Boyd ever reaches Browns level. He's unco and doesn't seem to know what he's meant to be doing out there. Tom Boyd has more vfl experience than ben brown lol

This game is about winning premierships, not the future (as nafan figjam supporters are suddenly realizing). Given your reliance on Bob Murphy, you may as well start your rebuild now too buddy.

Says the lad who watches Boomer continue to rack up BOG performances. Bob was in equally as good form before he went down. Don't injury troll.

I hope none of the Bulldogs fans in here criticised the Franklin deal. Compared to this contract Franklin's was a slam dunk certainty.

Difference is Boyd will play out the full contract. In any case, Swans win due to merch and membership sales long term, even after they pay the contract.

 

[dergert]

Same stupid arguments, different thread.

 

[Bojan KantKick]

Says the lad who watches Boomer continue to rack up BOG performances. Bob was in equally as good form before he went down. Don't injury troll.

Difference is Boyd will play out the full contract. In any case, Swans win due to merch and membership sales long term, even after they pay the contract.

how was that an injury troll. It was a compliment for Murphy. Was in career best form. Nobody wanted to see him go down with injury.

 

[Pugz89]

how was that an injury troll. It was a compliment for Murphy. Was in career best form. Nobody wanted to see him go down with injury.

Funny thing is, we're actually doing ok without Bob, in any case. So i suggest you just stick to things you know about, because our list is clearly not one of them.

 

[Bojan KantKick]

The difference between Daw and Boyd is that Daw can actually ruck.

 

[snitzel]

Griffen's back has been rooted the last 3 years, which is why we were happy to send him on his way. Has played about 2 decent games for the giants in his time there. Crocked.

Wrong

 

[who_let_the_dogs_out]

Wrong

Ok... hmm well his back was giving him problems in early 2014 and is currently sitting on the sidelines with a "back injury". Sounds pretty stuffed to me. Plus the fact that he's a shadow of his former self. Griffen's best years were a few years ago. Sorry, truth hurts.

 

[Ricmel]

Probably not something Doggies have to worry too much about right now with the emergence of Stringer and Redpath.

Boyd I think is the classic case of a kid who dominated juniors due to his huge size and the huge step up in grade brings him seriously back to the pack. To me looks a bit lost as a forward and maybe the Doggies could afford to develop him more into a ruckman.

Either way, I think Dogs are well catered for with KPFs at the moment, the biggest worry about Boyd is will his salary squeeze out other players in future years.

 

[joop]

Less goals and a horrible disposal efficiency, hardly miles ahead.

MILES

 

[Royal Flush]

Brown 23, Boyd 20. Let's see how Boyd is going in 3 years and then you can compare.

Dollar for dollar comparison

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[SterlingArcher]

Calling it now - he will win a grand final for the Dogs in the next 5 years similar to Hawkins in 2011.

Forwards his size can very easily create a mis-match, and I don't think he is as 'slow' or 'lumbering' as people think.

I've already noticed improvements this year in the way he approaches marking contests - his marking is still no better than average for a player his size, but he'll start gripping them soon. Just needs another pre-season in the gym so he can stay in the best position in packs. He isn't a terrible kick at goal, no worse than a Riewoldt. He's got decent smarts - I look at Adelaide, Hawthorn when they had Gunston/Rough/Buddy/Hale, and North to see how good key forwards work together to draw opponents away to create a mismatch or free man, and Boyd is already very good at that stuff at 20-21. Redpath, Crameri, Dickson will get massive benefits. Edit: And I forgot ****ing Stringer...who is already AA

Of course $1 mil is "too much" for his output but I think with where the Dogs were (they paid Griffen while he was at GWS to reach the minimum cap...), the fact they were losing Griffen and wanted a big scalp in return, and that they are paying for his potential means it's not the worse contract I've seen by any means. And they've lacked a properly Bulldogs-developed key forward for like, forever, only forward of note I remember is Hall and he was in the twilight of his career (albeit still good).

 

[BEaston]

So much misinformed dribble in this thread.

Mostly from the same old culrpits who must be feeling a bit insecure about the inadequacies in their own lists.

 

[SterlingArcher]

McCartin is in a similar boat.

I mean FFS we are only now just seeing Waites best form.

Sometimes, it takes a while forplayers to click.

Not everyone is Riewoldt/Judd

 

[SterlingArcher]

Also, the whole "what about other players" being jealous, if they were any smart they'd realise you either need a decent forward line or if you don't, a GOAT midfield to win a flag.

Pretty sure Bob Murphy would know this, and if the young guys don't follow his lead then that's their own fault.

Some guys have to make sacrifices to get flags. Geelong cut Stokes, Johnson and Kelly partly to get Dangerfield, Smith, Henderson and Selwood - sure their mates could be upset that their buddies have been dropped, but they could also realise their flag chances are a lot better now...

 

[who_let_the_dogs_out]

Also, the whole "what about other players" being jealous, if they were any smart they'd realise you either need a decent forward line or if you don't, a GOAT midfield to win a flag.

Pretty sure Bob Murphy would know this, and if the young guys don't follow his lead then that's their own fault.

Some guys have to make sacrifices to get flags. Geelong cut Stokes, Johnson and Kelly partly to get Dangerfield, Smith, Henderson and Selwood - sure their mates could be upset that their buddies have been dropped, but they could also realise their flag chances are a lot better now...

You make too much sense to be a Carlton supporter

 

[Seedsfan]

Funny how apart from Hogan it is the skinny talls that have been able to come in and do well like Daniher and Moore. I think the blokes of a bigger size need to adjust the way they play from juniors to seniors because at a junior level they can just rely oh their size

 

[ManOfClay]

You say 'if McCartin was even capable of playing ruck' like its a bad thing. We drafted him as a forward, he's showing enough that we don't need to throw him in the ruck just so he can get near the ball.

You just throw him into the vfl so he can practice executing simple set shots.

 

[Sedat!]

So you agree Paddy is currently better than Boyd?

If he learns to run out of sight in a London fog then Paddy might become a player. We were just as excited once by a marking machine with no tank called Liam Jones - his 2nd year of footy in 2011 was vastly superior to anything dished up by every young tall except Cameron and Hogan. Safe to say it was a false economy.

 

[Demonated]

Funny how apart from Hogan it is the skinny talls that have been able to come in and do well like Daniher and Moore. I think the blokes of a bigger size need to adjust the way they play from juniors to seniors because at a junior level they can just rely oh their size

Big Moore fan. Has bucketloads of potential and really attacks the contest. I think he will end up one of the best forwards in the league. However, he hasn't really done much yet mate. Team mates such as Cox and White are outplaying him at the moment. While he will be a very good forward soon, his input is barely better than Boyd from a statistical point. Hogan and Daniher either lead or have led their teams as the #1 goal kicking option. Moore isn't there yet.

 

[Seedsfan]

Big Moore fan. Has bucketloads of potential and really attacks the contest. I think he will end up one of the best forwards in the league. However, he hasn't really done much yet mate. Team mates such as Cox and White are outplaying him at the moment. While he will be a very good forward soon, his input is barely better than Boyd from a statistical point. Hogan and Daniher either lead or have led their teams as the #1 goal kicking option. Moore isn't there yet.

I tend to disagree with that, Moore was the only won who gave us anything last week against the blues when we were getting beat. Furthermore more since Moore and Cox has played together Moore has kicked 8 goals to Coxs 7 while it isn't a great discrepancy it doesn't point to someone who is being out played. On the weekend Brisbane put work in to Moore and that allowed Cox to fire especially with Harris Andrews being out, White was just running around without a match up don't let one game fool you.
Also Moore is on track to have a better return than Daniher in his second season and while Hogan is someone I rate extremely highly he was on his 3rd year on an AFL list before he debuted, I know he had injuries but so did Moore.

Also Boyd only managed 16 goals in his second year Moore is already at 11 playing in a side that is performing far worse

 

[joop]

If he learns to run out of sight in a London fog then Paddy might become a player. We were just as excited once by a marking machine with no tank called Liam Jones - his 2nd year of footy in 2010 was vastly superior to anything dished up by every 2nd year young tall except Cameron and Hogan. Safe to say it was a false economy.

Oh dear god, you just dropped Liam Jones in a McCartin/Boyd debate.

 

[Seedsfan]

Oh dear god, you just dropped Liam Jones in a McCartin/Boyd debate.

Really shows what they know about developing tall forwards down there

 

[Sedat!]

Oh dear god, you just dropped Liam Jones in a McCartin/Boyd debate.

You bring up stats to suit your narrative. Check out Jones' stats from 2011 - top 6 in the entire competition for contested marks as a teenager.

McCartin currently has strong hands and no tank. So did Jones once - still does. If Paddy can't significantly improve his tank so that he can make repeat effort after repeat effort, he will have a very limited influence at AFL level. Boyd has added an important string to his bow with ruckwork, which has improved his aerobic capacity significantly from where it was when he was drafted - when rotations are cut to 60 a game in the next year or two, what will Paddy hang his hat on if his aerobic capacity does not improve?

 

[Seedsfan]

You bring up stats to suit your narrative. Check out Jones' stats from 2011 - top 6 in the entire competition for contested marks as a teenager.

McCartin currently has strong hands and no tank. So did Jones once - still does. If Paddy can't significantly improve his tank so that he can make repeat effort after repeat effort, he will have a very limited influence at AFL level. Boyd has added an important string to his bow with ruckwork, which has improved his aerobic capacity significantly from where it was when he was drafted - when rotations are cut to 60 a game in the next year or two, what will Paddy hang his hat on if his aerobic capacity does not improve?

Yeah because Boyds tanks is elite he just motors up and down the field all day like Riewoldt . Boyd and McCartain are similar players and for dogs fans like your self to ridicule people who think Boyd is no good and then say the same about McCartin is a tad hypocritical

 

[Sedat!]

Yeah because Boyds tanks is elite he just motors up and down the field all day like Riewoldt . Boyd and McCartain are similar players and for dogs fans like your self to ridicule people who think Boyd is no good and then say the same about McCartin is a tad hypocritical

Boyd has a mile to go - all I said is that his aerobic capacity is significantly better than it was when he was first drafted, and the added time in the ruck has helped this. Just as it is helping Darcy Moore to add another string to his bow by doing some ruck minutes.

McCartin has elite hands, so if his aerobic capacity can get to an acceptable level he will be a very good player. But it is currently nowhere near the level required, and those requirements are only going to get more onerous with future expected reduced interchange rotations. Jones is actually a pertinent comparison for McCartin - he was an elite contested mark as a teenager in 2011, and we all naturally assumed he would improve his tank after another couple of pre-seasons but it never happened. The two-way running required in the modern game is brutal, even for forwards.