Tom Boyd

[threenewpadlocks]

Yeah because Boyds tanks is elite he just motors up and down the field all day like Riewoldt . Boyd and McCartain are similar players and for dogs fans like your self to ridicule people who think Boyd is no good and then say the same about McCartin is a tad hypocritical

Boyd was rucking literally a third of the game, if not more, when he was playing earlier this year. 40%is not off the mark.

You need to have a pretty good tank to do that and then go back to being key forward and lead up the wings.

I go to many Sydney's games in Melbourne because of family and I would say that he did just as much running and repeat efforts, if not more, as Tippet t playing a similar role (when Tippett was rucking 40% at the end of last year becoming first ruck this year). Rucking 40% of the game is tough enough let alone expecting to lead up and provide a contest for the 50% of the game time you're a key forward.

 

[Seedsfan]

Boyd has a mile to go - all I said is that his aerobic capacity is significantly better than it was when he was first drafted, and the added time in the ruck has helped this. Just as it is helping Darcy Moore to add another string to his bow by doing some ruck minutes.

McCartin has elite hands, so if his aerobic capacity can get to an acceptable level he will be a very good player. But it is currently nowhere near the level required, and those requirements are only going to get more onerous with future expected reduced interchange rotations. Jones is actually a pertinent comparison for McCartin - he was an elite contested mark as a teenager in 2011, and we all naturally assumed he would improve his tank after another couple of pre-seasons but it never happened. The two-way running required in the modern game is brutal.

Moore is a very different player two both of them as his athleticism had always been his point of difference as a player and is what should make him such a damaging player and while I don't think we will see him in the ruck much at all his versatility is a strength as he can play down back in the ruck and up forward. Also remember when comparing Boyd and McCartins tank Boyd has an extra pre-season under his belt and didn't have the complications in his first that McCartain did with his diabetes.

Also maybe if interchange is reduced again we will see the return of the stay at home FF

 

[Lolbert]

His contract was based on potential, not performance and he is clearly the most overpaid player in the AFL right now. Nevertheless he will turn out to be a very good forward. With the elite young talent coming through at the moment, people forget how long it takes most players, especially KPP's to develop and play at a high level consistently. The likes of Heeney and Hogan are exceptions and the level at which they play for their age is freakish.

 

[joop]

You bring up stats to suit your narrative. Check out Jones' stats from 2011 - top 6 in the entire competition for contested marks as a teenager.

McCartin currently has strong hands and no tank. So did Jones once - still does. If Paddy can't significantly improve his tank so that he can make repeat effort after repeat effort, he will have a very limited influence at AFL level. Boyd has added an important string to his bow with ruckwork, which has improved his aerobic capacity significantly from where it was when he was drafted - when rotations are cut to 60 a game in the next year or two, what will Paddy hang his hat on if his aerobic capacity does not improve?

seriously why the **** would I look at Liam Jones' stats from 2011? This is why no-one takes you precious Bulldogs supporters seriously.

 

[Sedat!]

seriously why the **** would I look at Liam Jones' stats from 2011? This is why no-one takes you precious Bulldogs supporters seriously.

Because Jones significantly out-performed McCartin and Boyd (and everyone else bar Hogan and Cameron for that matter) as a teenage KP forward. So I used the Jones stats from the same age to counter your folly of obsessing over stats (which weren't even definitive) to make you feel all warm and fuzzy about the teenage McCartin. Seemingly this is too difficult a concept for you to grasp.

As I and many others have mentioned, Boyd's worth (McCartin's for that matter) won't be known for another couple of years at least. So until then we all have another couple of years of threads like this to look forward to.

 

[snitzel]

Ok... hmm well his back was giving him problems in early 2014 and is currently sitting on the sidelines with a "back injury". Sounds pretty stuffed to me. Plus the fact that he's a shadow of his former self. Griffen's best years were a few years ago. Sorry, truth hurts.

It hurts that he is injured because he was one of giants best this year.

 

[who_let_the_dogs_out]

It hurts that he is injured because he was one of giants best this year.

Sure, he'll show some glimpses of the player he was, but just don't expect too much going forward. He'll need to be managed and given time away to rehab his back (as he is at the moment).

 

[clobba]

I am sure you can understand our ridicule that overall you are paying the same amount of money to an older side, 4 games behind us who lost by 100 today

I thought we were paying less and banking some...I must have got the wrong impression somewhere

 

[getgaff]

Its interesting that Redpath has kept Boyd out of the side in the past but in another way I'm not surprised considering Redpath is fully developed and Boyd is still developing physically.

Jack is close enough to 5 years older than Tom so its expected that he'll be able to physically cope with the demands of being a KPF better. I like what I've seen from Redpath, gives a great contest, not afraid to throw his weight around either.

I think Boyd and Redpath will work in tandem as a tall forward combo in the second half of 2016 with Jake Stringer as a third tall/ flank. 2017 if/ when Crameri returns will be the big question as to where he will fit into the forward line after a year out.

 

[darthbards]

I love Tom Boyd and think he's going to be great. The people who have issues seem to either be from bottom clubs who wish they had him or people who pay to much attention to the dribble in the media. When that old bloke who wore 16 left we pulled off a great coup.
Boyd reminds me a little of Geoff Haywood. When he came over from Tassie the media panels carried on about it and people started swallowing it whole,even Rostoff doubted the move and Laurie had to give Geoff a run in the seconds to find form but Haywood came good and led his side to the premiership they had wanted for years. Boyds going to do the same thing at the Doggies.

 

[Pigdog]

Its interesting that Redpath is keeping Boyd out of the side right now but in another way I'm not surprised right now considering Redpath is fully developed and Boyd is still developing physically.

Jack is close enough to 5 years older than Tom so its expected that he'll be able to physically cope with the demands of being a KPF better. I like what I've seen from Redpath, gives a great contest, not afraid to throw his weight around either.

I think Boyd and Redpath will work in tandem as a tall forward combo in the second half of 2016 with Jake Stringer as a third tall/ flank. 2017 if/ when Crameri returns will be the big question as to where he will fit into the forward line after a year out.

Injury is keeping Boyd out of the side right now... Hurt his shoulder against Carlton in rd 4 and is expected to be on the sidelines for another 1-2 weeks.

 

[getgaff]

Injury is keeping Boyd out of the side right now... Hurt his shoulder against Carlton in rd 4 and is expected to be on the sidelines for another 1-2 weeks.

Edited the first part of my post for better current accuracy. Redpath has kept Boyd out of the 22 during 2015 but. Standing by my point that Redpath is more developed than Boyd which has led to opportunities at selection for Jack over Tom

 

[joop]

Because Jones significantly out-performed McCartin and Boyd (and everyone else bar Hogan and Cameron for that matter) as a teenage KP forward. So I used the Jones stats from the same age to counter your folly of obsessing over stats (which weren't even definitive) to make you feel all warm and fuzzy about the teenage McCartin. Seemingly this is too difficult a concept for you to grasp.

As I and many others have mentioned, Boyd's worth (McCartin's for that matter) won't be known for another couple of years at least. So until then we all have another couple of years of threads like this to look forward to.

You're right, it is too difficult for me to grasp. Picking a random player that played well for 1 year 5 years ago and then using his stats to suggest McCartin will head down the same path is idiotic. My apologies.

 

[Marc_Remillard]

The doggies needed a key forward so they went out and got one, prior to that everyone was getting stuck into them because they weren't able to do so. Unfortunately, at this stage, he hasn't lived up to expectations but he still has a lot of time on his side. My personal opinion is that he won't live up to his hype because he lacks the agility of the really good modern forwards but the doggies don't need him to be great. They just need him to play his role.

With regards to the salary issue, it would have been very surprising if it impacted them right now, however in a couple of seasons when they're in serious premiership mode it may, but only because it may impact their ability to go out and get a star via FA. I really can't see them losing players though.

 

[Bulldog1954]

MILES

Keep telling yourself that

 

[Dale4captain]

Of course he's injured. And what about when he wasn't injured and stuck in the VFL?

You mean when the 19 year old key forward was playing in the VFL? Shit, that's unacceptable. How dare he not be a fully rounded star after 20 games. Shame on him.

 

[TheLonieRanger]

McCartin has grown and is at least 195. Find any current pic of him standing next to bruce or roo and it's pretty clear. He's just a big lad in general, not very lanky, so he doesn't look so tall

 

[NathanMX]

You mean when the 19 year old key forward was playing in the VFL? Shit, that's unacceptable. How dare he not be a fully rounded star after 20 games. Shame on him.

Serious question, who do you personally think your 10 best players are currently?

 

[bresker]

He's just a big lad in general, not very lanky, so he doesn't look so tall

He looks like a rugby player. When I was saw him earlier in the year I thought he didn't have the typical build of a footballer...if I was St Kilda I'd lock the fridge at Seaford or Moorsbin or wherever. You may end up with a porker.

As for Tom Boyd...yeah every Bulldogs fan is secretly worried that the Giants have sold us Jack Watts Mk 2 - 200cm version. He's a nice lad. Oh for some of Redpath's or Libba's aggression. But come back to us in 3 years. Hopefully his cojones will have developed by then.

 

[Dogsman16]

Serious question, who do you personally think your 10 best players are currently?

Top of my head.

1-10
Stringer, Bontempelli, Wood, Dahlhaus, Liberatore, Murphy, Morris, Hunter, Johannisen, M.Boyd,

11 - 20
Wallis, Macrae, Dickson, Picken, Suckling, Crameri, Stevens, Adams, Campbell, Daniel,

20 - 25
Biggs, Redpath, Roughead, T.Boyd, McLean

 

[Bokonon]

Exactly, a statement had to be made about GWS pinching Griffen and we just did what they would do while finally picking up a highly rated key forward.

Not sure what you mean, Boyd wanted to go, you offerred overs, we took it. We certainly didn't pinch Griffen he was offerred in the Boyd trade

 

[Colonial]

Not sure what you mean, Boyd wanted to go, you offerred overs, we took it. We certainly didn't pinch Griffen he was offerred in the Boyd trade

Actually. While every man and his dog knew Boyd was never staying. Griff started it by wanting a trade to us.
Dogs caught off guard and so offered Boyd the million plus and he leapt at it.
Edit. Just to add it was Griff who approached us.

Giants werent going to release him even with the Marchbank pick and the mil in cap space until the playing group also got into the bosses ear and said let him go.

 

[Bokonon]

Actually. While every man and his dog knew Boyd was never staying. Griff started it by wanting a trade to us.
Dogs caught off guard and so offered Boyd the million plus and he leapt at it.

Giants werent going to release him even with the Marchbank pick and the mil in cap space until the playing group also got into the bosses ear and said let him go.

Agree withe extra detail but still believe it was in the Context.of the Boyd trade that came first

 

[Colonial]

Agree withe extra detail but still believe it was in the Context.of the Boyd trade that came first

Sorry mate it wasnt. Look it up on google.
Griff was on the thursd/friday i think it broke, and boyd wasnt mentioned till tues im sure as part of a possible trade.

 

[ManOfClay]

Agree withe extra detail but still believe it was in the Context.of the Boyd trade that came first

Nope. Griffen wanting out to GWS definitely came first