Free Agency Tom De Koning - Joins St Kilda as an RFA, Carlton get Band 1 compensation (Pick 9)

[Jeremias]

This thread might be going for a while. Please respect board rules and each other.

As a starting point, let's leave any references to 'culture' at the door.

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Thanks.

 

[eaglevision]

That North trade was stupid, but the Blues still paid overs for pick 3.

It’s interesting that you share that opinion considering your mob got compensated handsomely for pick 3.

I think the draft just gone has clouded a lot of people’s expectations. In any other draft, paying a F1 & F2 for 14 is overs. Then doubling down and trading 12 and 14 for 3 is pretty risky. If Collingwood did that and missed out on Houston, I’d be pretty pissed.


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I don’t think it was incredibly bright for a team in North’s position, especially when you consider they traded their pick 25 for Caleb Daniel.

Our pick 3 trade was poor but had we kept 14 and turned Jagga into Allan, M Reid and Greggo (we would have got Gross anyway) then I could live with that. But for a rebuilding side to then trade 14 for Liam Baker when he would have been a free agent next year? The height of stupidity.

Regarding the future picks that’s not true at all. Almost any team would happily accept Richmond’s F1 and F2 for pick 14 but no one would accept Brisbane’s F1 and F2. You’re generalising between teams and generalising between drafts without paying attention to the minutiae of either. It was very clear that all the teams placed a high value on top 30 picks this year, as evidenced by how long it took for a willing buyer of North’s F1 which is almost certainly a top 5 if not a top 3 selection.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

Yeah but it’s not a dick measuring competition to see who can get the best 18 year old.

I've been in those competitions before and sometimes there are races you'd rather lose

 

[bradfisher14]

We all know also that Houston wasnt coming unless Lewis Young left. A reason for that is because of the salary cap

Where on earth was this ever suggested? LMAO

Set himself up post career? He's already ruled out coming to Geelong

Hopefully he doesn't start a frozen water business anytime soon.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

Hopefully he doesn't start a frozen water business anytime soon.

Markets cornered mate

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Cripps is the highest paid player on our list at around 1 mil before the salary increases. Curnow, McKay, Weitering and Walsh are on a bit below that.

Id assume all of them are on 1 million-ish now adjusting for the increases. TDK would be on the same if he sticks around.

Brian Cook laid it out fairly clearly in a few of his interviews, nobody gets paid more than the Captain while he's at the club.

Brian may well try that but the player contracting landscape has changed from when he did it at Geelong I don't think there's any chance a player like tdk will sign for severe unders given what other clubs will offer him.
I think what will happen is Carlton will offer him say 20 % more than they want to but still 20-30 % less than the best other offer, and he will sign and stay but they will pretend to the public they paid less than they did. That way cook gets to claim 'culture' for the PR but they don't actually lose the player. They would be silly to lose him given where their list is at and they will pay more to make sure they don't.

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

Brian may well try that but the player contracting landscape has changed from when he did it at Geelong I don't think there's any chance a player like tdk will sign for severe unders given what other clubs will offer him.
I think what will happen is Carlton will offer him say 20 % more than they want to but still 20-30 % less than the best other offer, and he will sign and stay but they will pretend to the public they paid less than they did. That way cook gets to claim 'culture' for the PR but they don't actually lose the player. They would be silly to lose him given where their list is at and they will pay more to make sure they don't.

Highly likely

 

[Tasmanian saint]

No matter how or what way you slice and dice it, we all know that Carlton has a salary cap issue.

They essentially paid more for pick 3 (Jagga Smith) than they would've for Houston. Don't give me this crap about list demographic, blah, blah, blah. Only Carlton fans are stupid enough to not believe it.


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They have weitering so a defender like Houston is not exactly a massive need for them

 

[jooce8891]

These are all the positives we see but there are also the negatives like players salaries that are tiered to the increase in the cap which we ignore.

Just regarding Cerra , He wanted to come to Richmond but when his demands were looked at Richmond pulled out
I would be very cautious about him accepting less to go another club when there were 3 clubs i know about that were in his selections Melbourne , Richmond & Carlton

I think you would need to have blue glasses to think the above players all at 1 club and no cap issue's
Things would be tight id imagine

not sure about that

 

[rye]

They have weitering so a defender like Houston is not exactly a massive need for them

what? weitering is a key defender with below average disposal and houston is a half back with elite disposal. they arent comparable at all.....

houston would have been a very good get for them - but is nowhere near as much a list need as a quality small forward / hff (a zac bailey / dylan moore type)

 

[Eric Shin]

They have weitering so a defender like Houston is not exactly a massive need for them

Don't know whether it’s even worth replying to this….


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[WalshistheGOAT]

what? weitering is a key defender with below average disposal and houston is a half back with elite disposal. they arent comparable at all.....

houston would have been a very good get for them - but is nowhere near as much a list need as a quality small forward / hff (a zac bailey / dylan moore type)

Keeping TDK, getting Jagga and still having the cash to target a quality small forward is far better list strategy if we can pull that off. Unfortunately I'm not sure there's many small forwards who will be on the market this year with the names OOC. A Bailey or Stengle type would be incredible for the Blues.

Still the biggest hole the Blues have imo. Some seriously putrid options at the feet of Curnow and Mckay.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

Don't know whether it’s even worth replying to this….


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I know

 

[Sarcoidevo]

Saints coming hard for TDK

 

[bradfisher14]

Saints coming hard for TDK

Word around the traps is that the extension is all but sealed. Expected to be inked before the bye at latest.

 

[eaglevision]

Word around the traps is that the extension is all but sealed. Expected to be inked before the bye at latest.

Reckon he’s going to be getting paid more than the captain Brad?

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

Reckon he’s going to be getting paid more than the captain Brad?

Nope

 

[eaglevision]

Nope

Will be a fantastic signing if that's the case, would have been more than happy for WCE to pay $1m+ a season to get him over. Would say a bit about De Koning too rather than asking Carlton to match a big salary.

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

Will be a fantastic signing if that's the case, would have been more than happy for WCE to pay $1m+ a season to get him over. Would say a bit about De Koning too rather than asking Carlton to match a big salary.

Who knows... Could end up being the next captain after Cripps.

Apparently deal is pretty much done, won't trust that until it's publicly announced though.

 

[eaglevision]

Who knows... Could end up being the next captain after Cripps.

Apparently deal is pretty much done, won't trust that until it's publicly announced though.

If that’s true then from a business point of view he’s received poor advice from his manager to agree in principle before the season even starts. Great result for the club though if it’s under $1m.

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

If that’s true then from a business point of view he’s received poor advice from his manager to agree in principle before the season even starts. Great result for the club though if it’s under $1m.

Eh... He'll earn plenty as a well known, marketable player for a big VIC club and with the pay increases I'd expect all our top liners to be on over 1 mil now anyway with TDK joining that group. Cripps was reportedly at the top of that table, so lets say he might be on 1.2 or so from his previous 1 mil per year and the others 1mil from their previous 800-900. Plenty of money for anyone to set themselves up for life.

I expect we'll be going hard for his brother too if he's open to moving end of year.

 

[eaglevision]

Or the Blues have dusted off those brownpaper bags .... which wouldn't surprise

If that’s the case it’s going to be quite the battle between the Blues and the Cats for the De Koning brothers. Might come down to whether the Cats are prepared to throw in the legacy farm currently owned by Tom Hawkins.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

If that’s the case it’s going to be quite the battle between the Blues and the Cats for the De Koning brothers. Might come down to whether the Cats are prepared to throw in the legacy farm currently owned by Tom Hawkins.

Cats aren't chasing Tom anymore. They're just trying to keep Sam

 

[bradfisher14]

If that’s true then from a business point of view he’s received poor advice from his manager to agree in principle before the season even starts. Great result for the club though if it’s under $1m.

Do you really think his value is going to go up dramatically if he remains unsigned?

I think we all know there are multiple teams out there who would throw 1.5+ a year at him. The choice has always been simple for Tom: leave for more or stay for less. That equation doesn't change no matter what happens next season.

 

[eaglevision]

Do you really think his value is going to go up dramatically if he remains unsigned?

I think we all know there are multiple teams out there who would throw 1.5+ a year at him. The choice has always been simple for Tom: leave for more or stay for less. That equation doesn't change no matter what happens next season.

That’s what I mean. He’ll get offered much better $$$ and probably longer elsewhere. Why not wait until the offers come which would improve his bargaining position with Carlton?

As I said, that’s the business way of looking at it but there has to be a price on loyalty when you’ve got a strong list. Surprised you didn’t ask about McGovern snr, if he went over to play the last couple of years of his career with his brother you’d probably be flag favourites.

 

[bradfisher14]

That’s what I mean. He’ll get offered much better $$$ and probably longer elsewhere. Why not wait until the offers come which would improve his bargaining position with Carlton?

What I'm saying is that those offers came a long time ago.

As I said, that’s the business way of looking at it but there has to be a price on loyalty when you’ve got a strong list. Surprised you didn’t ask about McGovern snr, if he went over to play the last couple of years of his career with his brother you’d probably be flag favourites.

He would fit beautifully. Cap space is the concern.